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Color Blindness and the Red Nuke Dot. - Page 9
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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VorcePA
United States1102 Posts
On March 27 2009 13:17 TheYango wrote: All of the above. We should be allowed to choose. Or it should rotate several colors of the spectrum. | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
![[image loading]](http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/204/31/559650977/n559650977_727488_7822.jpg) I made this myself, I ordered to colour scales from how they look to me, I see blue and green like everybody else but red just becomes very faint green and often so dark that I barely sees it. And I am honest when I say that I can't tell which one are red and which are green in that pic. But of course then I am a dichromat which is quite rare, most colour blind pictures are for heavy anomalous trichromats which basically means that red and green looks exactly the same for them. However for me red is a really dark green so I can see the difference in those pictures usually. Also even most of the anomalous trichromats are quite mild meaning that the red and green phases are not totally identical but instead they are just harder to distinguish than for a normal person. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On March 27 2009 19:24 FabledIntegral wrote: Looking at the similarity website... when driving do the lights always seem green? Stop when the light is at the top and go when it's on at the bottom? The website is an exaggeration, it takes color blindness to an extreme. It also depends on how big the object is, for example. Like in the picture with the girl in the red dress, that one I can tell is red very easily, but others like the one with the map for example are hard for me to tell. Also keep in mind that since our brains are used to not seeing as much of either color as we're supposed to that they compensate for it, so while the two traffic light images look similar to me (if I look a little closer it's easy to tell the difference), the top color still looks like red to me with the bottom one looking like green. Besides the fact that they're completely different shades. I mean look at the picture on the right, you can easily tell the difference in shade between the two greens it's edited to, and they do that very purposefully in every traffic light. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 27 2009 17:53 Klockan3 wrote: Thanks for this. Looking at this from a non-color-blind perspective, it appears that the nuke dot color and the green player color are very close. Asking someone who's color blind to distinguish between them is unreasonable. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On March 27 2009 17:53 Klockan3 wrote: I made this myself, I ordered to colour scales from how they look to me, I see blue and green like everybody else but red just becomes very faint green and often so dark that I barely sees it. And I am honest when I say that I can't tell which one are red and which are green in that pic. But of course then I am a dichromat which is quite rare, most colour blind pictures are for heavy anomalous trichromats which basically means that red and green looks exactly the same for them. However for me red is a really dark green so I can see the difference in those pictures usually. Also even most of the anomalous trichromats are quite mild meaning that the red and green phases are not totally identical but instead they are just harder to distinguish than for a normal person. Does anyone else see green, red ,red, green, red, green red, green green green green green? Or am I colorblind too? I like the idea of the purple hue, but i didn't read many pages in this thread, so if the issue is resolved... sry. Tested self, appears I am not colorblind. The arrangement was just a little weird. | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On March 28 2009 06:32 obesechicken13 wrote: Does anyone else see green, red ,red, green, red, green red, green green green green green? Or am I colorblind too? I like the idea of the purple hue, but i didn't read many pages in this thread, so if the issue is resolved... sry. Tested self, appears I am not colorblind. The arrangement was just a little weird. The point is that for me it is Green green green green green green green green green green With the farthest to the elft being the darkest and then going brighter and brighter towards the right. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Colorblind4.png) also i remember in my grade12 class we were learning flash and i got into an argument with my teacher whether the timeline is blue or purple (there was a test question on this and i got it "wrong") and that TL thread with the flashgame where you had to order the colors (link).. i like totally bombed the blue->purple row every time, although the other rows were ok  hopefully it's my monitor's fault and/or the picture is bs & that game is bs. but some people did get perfect scores >_> | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 28 2009 10:03 JeeJee wrote: so i think actually i have some weak version of deuteranopia which is supposedly RG colorblind and blue/purple colorblind. except i'm not RG colorblind, but i'll be god damned if i can see shit in this picture: also i remember in my grade12 class we were learning flash and i got into an argument with my teacher whether the timeline is blue or purple (there was a test question on this and i got it "wrong") and that TL thread with the flashgame where you had to order the colors (link).. i like totally bombed the blue->purple row every time, although the other rows were ok hopefully it's my monitor's fault and/or the picture is bs & that game is bs. but some people did get perfect scores >_> Well, that looks like a 44, but either the test is really difficult or I'm a tiny bit colorblind since that's pretty difficult to make out. | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On March 28 2009 10:03 JeeJee wrote: so i think actually i have some weak version of deuteranopia which is supposedly RG colorblind and blue/purple colorblind. except i'm not RG colorblind, Few are really red/green color blind, instead they are green/orange or brown/red. With that I mean that almost none actually can't tell a difference between the pure colors due to them having very different shades, it is when you start mixing colors the problems arise such as purple, orange and pink which for me looks exactly like blue, green and gray. | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On March 28 2009 10:03 JeeJee wrote: so i think actually i have some weak version of deuteranopia which is supposedly RG colorblind and blue/purple colorblind. except i'm not RG colorblind, but i'll be god damned if i can see shit in this picture: also i remember in my grade12 class we were learning flash and i got into an argument with my teacher whether the timeline is blue or purple (there was a test question on this and i got it "wrong") and that TL thread with the flashgame where you had to order the colors (link).. i like totally bombed the blue->purple row every time, although the other rows were ok hopefully it's my monitor's fault and/or the picture is bs & that game is bs. but some people did get perfect scores >_> I see nothing of resemblance in that picture | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On March 28 2009 11:08 Klockan3 wrote: Few are really red/green color blind, instead they are green/orange or brown/red. With that I mean that almost none actually can't tell a difference between the pure colors due to them having very different shades, it is when you start mixing colors the problems arise such as purple, orange and pink which for me looks exactly like blue, green and gray. Actually with the way your retina works with different cones (one of the types being red/green), red/green colorblindness actually is the common type, as it stems from people not having as many of the red-green cones as they should. Yes, this does cause people to have trouble seeing the difference between mixed colors like blue/purple, but the root of the problem is red/green color blindness. | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On March 28 2009 14:12 -orb- wrote: Actually with the way your retina works with different cones (one of the types being red/green), red/green colorblindness actually is the common type, as it stems from people not having as many of the red-green cones as they should. Yes, this does cause people to have trouble seeing the difference between mixed colors like blue/purple, but the root of the problem is red/green color blindness. What I meant is that he might have misunderstood the colorblindness description. Red/Green just mentions which parts of the spectrum is altered and not which colors you can't distinguish. If he can't distinguish between purple and blue it means that he is probably red/green colorblind with either Protanomaly or Protanopia, but if he as he say can distinguish between red/green with no problem he is most likely a Protanomaly. I just tried to use his term, since there is no "Blue purple" color blindness since purple is no pure color, just green, red and blue are and thus those are the only things you can have a problem with. So not being able to tell purple from blue means that he don't see red like most do. I remember thinking a bit like that when I was younger, since I had really no problem telling red from green but orange from green, blue from purple, brown from green, pink from gray/white or cyan from gray/white is really impossible. (Darker versions of the colors becoming white are gray) But by definition I am still red-green since they define 4 of the 5 more common types as red-green color blindness even though they are very different in reality and even among the same type there are differences. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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cyronc
218 Posts
you could always try to circumwent that colorblindness handicap of yours by changing the ingame graphics of the nuke dot (modders do that all the time), but if you do so be prepared for mayn ppl of the comunity callling you a cheater (i wont belong to them as long as you dont alter anything other than the color of the dot) what you d need to do so: WinMPQ/listfiles SFGRPConv/SCPalettes/Image Editing Program much patience (if you do this the first time) to avoid the headaches i will upload a file you can use to change your nukedot to light blue later instructions how to use the modded grp file: i present 2 of the more easy ways, each one has pros and drawbacks 1: Make a custom *.mpq using WinMPQ You add the modded grp file as 'unit\thingy\nuketarg.grp' exactly that! else it wont work! Get MPQDraft (sourceforge.net) and launch the SCBW with the MPQ using MPQDraft or Create a custom SEMPQ using MPQDraft Pros: Even if Blizzard would patch the red dot graphic(which they didnt 10 years long) you still can use your custom one without any further editing Drawback: You cant use this in combination with other scbw launchers such as Chaos or iCCup OR 2: Backup your stardat.mpq file (for having the red dot if you need it later on) You add the modded grp file as 'unit\thingy\nuketarg.grp' exactly that! else it wont work! This will prompt you too overwrite the existing red dot file 8thus you did backup the mpq first) do it. Pros: As long as Blizzard doesnt patch exactly the red dot file or checks for GRP within MPQ modifications (which they didnt for 10 years), you wont have to change anything even when new patches come out, You CAN use this with ANY launcher like iCCup or Chaos Drawback: if the patch_rt.mpq should ever contain a newer red dot file you would have to add it to the patch_rt.mpq instead of the stardat.mpq each time a new patch comes out(which is a bit more risky since they MIGHT check the latest patch mpq for modifications! Why? because in this mpq the recent stats for the game are included too) personally id recommend the second one (adding to stardat.mpq via WinMPQ/listfiles after backup as 'unit\thingy\nuketarg.grp') here is the light blue dot file: http://www.mediafire.com/?zw9ejdhgyys its only 40 byte ins size  if you need another color due to your color blindness just tell me, i might do it for you since id probably be faster/more experienced in this process = less time wasted for the sum of us hf | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
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Nitro68
France470 Posts
Color scheme is pretty solid right now, it follows very closely to the Diablo 2 color scheme. We slightly shifted some of the hues to help, especially with color blindness, to try and get some of the more problematic combinations. We took out, for example, uniques were gold, we’ve changed their color I think we did purple which is a bit of a nod to World of Warcraft but the problem was gold and yellow were really close. Even though the gold lettering was unique and everything it was often very difficult to tell the two apart. So we just did that not to get away from Diablo but to try and fix that kind of readability issue. | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On March 31 2009 05:48 VIB wrote: I don't understand this at all. I'm red-green color blind myself and I never had any trouble with the nuke dot. I have trouble telling who is who on mirror games or double race team games, I have trouble seeing lots of stuff on the minimap. But the nuke dot? It fucking blinks, it could be gray on gray you'd still see it. There are different kinds of color blindness even among the same kinds and red-green is really 4 kinds which all gets bunched up into one name. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
http://ablegamers.com/game-news/AbleGamers-sits-down-with-Chris-Sigaty-Lead-Producer-of-Starcraft-II.html Excerpt: Colorblind accessibility We would then learn one of the most interesting facts of the night. While asking if Starcraft II will include accessibility options for the colorblind, Chris revealed that he himself is colorblind. The shocking part of the statement was that no, Starcraft II has not included any colorblind accessibility options even though the lead producer of the project is colorblind. Truthfully, he sounded aggravated but resigned. He goes on to say that, he has trouble with reds and greens as well as yellows and light greens. Quite honestly, we showed surprise in that this was not a priority for Blizzard, particularly since the lead producer from the project was colorblind himself. Chris continues by saying that they would really like to include some colorblind accessibility later on down the road however, with a list of things that are already not going to make it before shipment, colorblind options was not high on the priority list. This was amazingly unfortunate because 10% of the male population is colorblind. One can only wonder why this is not a priority. | ||
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