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This thread is related to the harassment/abuse thread that was posted earlier last month. https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/560609-harassment-abuse-in-starcraft-2 Spreading misinformation will absolutely not be tolerated. Expect harsh mod actions if you try to incite victim blaming. Be very wary of what you post. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 22 2020 23:01 Rainmansc wrote: User banned for this post? What the actual fuck is happening here? Avilo obviously is in the wrong here but this goes too far... This was not a legitimate user. | ||
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AlgeriaT
Sweden2195 Posts
On July 22 2020 23:01 Rainmansc wrote: User banned for this post? What the actual fuck is happening here? Avilo obviously is in the wrong here but this goes too far... If you want to get technical, he was probably banned firstly for ban evasion. As he's been perma'd for years. And regarding what he said, it's simply untrue that his statement isn't being discussed. It is posted on the first page https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27640280 and the discussion around it isn't being suppressed at all. Those who got banned were simply turning the accusations around to blame the victim without sufficient explanation. Avilo has proven his own guilt himself over and over, even in public. Just look up all the Youtube rants and tweets he's directed at Atira AFTER she had asked him to stop contacting her. You don't need a court conviction to make the call that this is unacceptable behaviour. And as someone said earlier, Atira did take this to the police, and Avilo did answer in court. The only reason the charges were dropped is that Atira would have had to give out her personal information to pursue it further. When a dude blindly ignores your pleas to stop contacting you, and keeps jumping at you in tweets, emails, BNet messages and whatnot, constantly making new alts to do it, and shows violent rage towards you in public youtube rants, is it any wonder she didn't feel like letting him know where she lives? Oh and let's not forget that he even travelled to Canada to literally stalk her in person. Which is repeated behaviour as he once flew all the way to freaking Italy hoping to meet Maria, even after she'd told him to please stay away. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On July 22 2020 23:01 Rainmansc wrote: User banned for this post? What the actual fuck is happening here? Avilo obviously is in the wrong here but this goes too far... It was obviously a fake Account created by Avilo or one of his zealots. Good ban | ||
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Adnapsc2
47 Posts
On July 22 2020 19:43 supressionofinfo wrote: Looks like this entire thread and many other places are suppressing the information for people to make a valid opinion. avilo released a statement that for some reason is not being discussed here, and a few users were banned for. https://twitter.com/avilosc2/status/1285283192782675971 User was banned for this post. User was warned for this post | ||
Falling
Canada11264 Posts
On July 22 2020 22:38 [F_]aths wrote: + Show Spoiler + I find Avilo's response being OMG. In the sense that he has seemingly no self-awareness. He paints himself as the victim of others. I did not read through the entire thing as it is just too long, but every part I read is to show alleged misbehavior of others. With the many chat screenshots, he plays a bad power game "exposing" Atira. She posted a few chat excerpts as evidence, now he overdoes it by several magnitudes. There is video on Youtube where Avilo stalked Atira. There is audio where he shouts at his "love". And yet, in his mind, he seems to view himself as victim because Atira also kept contact to other men. He puts a lot of effort into describing the purportedly bad character of others. He accuses Atira of damaging his reputation. Not noting his own contribution. He continues to name others who in his mind worked against him. While there is a lot of evidence even before Atira's posting, about countless uncomfortable situations created by an unhinged, angry, stalking Avilo. I could see that a couple of those might be a biiig misunderstanding. But there is too much where Avilo damages himself that I cannot even begin to align his view with the evidence available. All this has happened before. Sounds like he writes like he rants- hours and hours for days on the same loop. A reasonable summation of what led up to his banning from Twitch back in May regarding his treatment of Atira: Even if you ignore all the summations that don't provide receipts AND assume every Avilo tweet/ twitch message is a screen shot fake by 'those out to get him', the video and audio of Avilo from his own stream is sufficiently damning. And when it says 'this is a sampling of hours of streaming', it's like, yeah. I believe it. That's exactly how his streams go. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
He got punished on the web, Justice is/was after him, what are you trying to accomplish now ? | ||
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AuroraSCII
3 Posts
On July 23 2020 02:37 DieuCure wrote: Everything went wrong after he got rid of his bunkbed. But seriously, the inquisitors who are going after Avilo by omitting a good part of the story arent much better. He got punished on the web, Justice is/was after him, what are you trying to accomplish now ? He is still harassing Atira, and she prbly just wants it to stop? I'd assume that was the main reason why she posted the metoo post. | ||
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mikedupp
233 Posts
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
long story short he can try but It seems fruitless and more of an intimidation tactic. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16382 Posts
On July 22 2020 19:43 supressionofinfo wrote: Looks like this entire thread and many other places are suppressing the information for people to make a valid opinion. avilo released a statement that for some reason is not being discussed here, and a few users were banned for. https://twitter.com/avilosc2/status/1285283192782675971 User was banned for this post. TL is not nuking stuff that clearly sides with Avilo. They are leaving it visible. If people want to sink all kinds of time into this issue.. this TL thread is a solid resource. i do not know if the TL thread provides an exhaustive, comprehensive resource though. I'm too lazy to spend the 100+ hours it would take to determine if this thread "covers everything". On GR.Org Avilo used lots of Alts. What ended up happening was people created Alts of their own to make it look like it was an Avilo Alt. This makes it very difficult to determine exactly what is going on with Avilo during his time playing C&C. Avilo attracts people who like to take advantage of those with checkered track records. | ||
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itsdaniel
Austria331 Posts
good move ESL! | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5212 Posts
On July 22 2020 06:53 lolfail9001 wrote: it's just a shame they had to use harassment allegation/case as an excuse instead of being straightforward and just banning him for being PoS he is a long time ago, though. I hope it didn't surprise anyone who made the decision that people who aren't upstanding citizens in public are often worse in private. Agreed, he should have been banned long ago. | ||
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jpg06051992
United States580 Posts
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WaesumNinja
210 Posts
On July 22 2020 23:25 AlgeriaT wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxvFJkz9zQ4 So for some clarity and speculation. I see this video posted all the time, but... why? He isn't doing anything in the video, I don't see what purpose it serves. He's even being calmer than when he's behind his keyboard. What "shitty thing you did" is he referring to? Something that happened at the event? Is it really that outlandish to assume that someone devoting themselves to gaming that much would be present at a gaming tournament? He has participated in qualifiers at this specific tournament before, and supposedly his fans donated to him so he could go there. According to liquipedia, he did not participate in the qualifiers for the year this video is supposedly recorded, which is weird. And he would do better for himself if he did not try to confront her about anything there. But I can't tell what this video is supposed to show. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway613 Posts
He wont leave her alone and I guess thats what the video shows. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23745 Posts
On July 23 2020 18:22 WaesumNinja wrote: So for some clarity and speculation. I see this video posted all the time, but... why? He isn't doing anything in the video, I don't see what purpose it serves. He's even being calmer than when he's behind his keyboard. What "shitty thing you did" is he referring to? Something that happened at the event? Is it really that outlandish to assume that someone devoting themselves to gaming that much would be present at a gaming tournament? He has participated in qualifiers at this specific tournament before, and supposedly his fans donated to him so he could go there. According to liquipedia, he did not participate in the qualifiers for the year this video is supposedly recorded, which is weird. And he would do better for himself if he did not try to confront her about anything there. But I can't tell what this video is supposed to show. Is it that outlandish to assume that being at a gaming event where you don’t sign up to play in the tournament, that the person who’s accused you of stalking/harassment is at and having an encounter with said person isn’t exactly ideal? | ||
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Xamo
Spain874 Posts
Initially I thought Avilo was just playing a character, but after many years it is clear that he is just the type of person he seems to be. I hope he looks into the mirror and realizes he needs help, but the probability is unfortunately low. I wish no more people are negatively affected by his behavior. I am sure this community won't be. | ||
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WaesumNinja
210 Posts
On July 23 2020 21:05 Wombat_NI wrote: Is it that outlandish to assume that being at a gaming event where you don’t sign up to play in the tournament, that the person who’s accused you of stalking/harassment is at and having an encounter with said person isn’t exactly ideal? Did you read my whole post or were you just eyeballing it for a witty response? I did say he did not participate in playing, and that he shouldn't have confronted her. Nobody said anything about their encounter being "exactly" ideal. | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5212 Posts
On July 22 2020 04:33 BisuDagger wrote: Regardless of being guilty, platforms and organizers have a right to deny anyone who doesn't adhere to their policies and ethics as a player. It's clear that the drama he brings is negative and they are right to distance themselves. I think they have done a great job in being patient and seeing if he could move past this drama, but clearly he was incapable doing that. It's unfortunate anyone has to be banned and in this case it's a tough decision that good people are forced to make based on a mess of good and bad information. And that is what this is all about. Cancel culture is no more than people expressing their freedom to not interact with certain people. The organizations can do whatever they want, and you can choose to respond by not watching or support them further, whatever. Those on the other side simply want the freedom to do what they want without consequences, while denying others the same right, which is hypocritical to the extreme. | ||
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