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On July 22 2020 00:54 JimmiC wrote: This "both sides" argument is pathetic victim blaming and it needs to stop.
And the anti Avilo people do not want any content from him. We want him off line getting help. You are confusing us with his fans.
how can you speak for what all Anti-Avilo people want? I'd say some # of the Anti-Avilo people want to watch rage videos like the one I posted. This explains why it has 5,700+ views.
I am not victim blaming. i'd say the two individuals both have groups trying to screw them over. I'd say both individuals are victims. That said, it is hard to discern all the facts.
The problem is that she is a victim of Avilo, whereas Avilo is a victim of Avilo.
mmmm some seek out people with checkered histories and go after them knowing they can use their bad rep against them. That is what Avilo is a victim of. He is gonna have to cowboy the fuck up sooner or later.
IMO, Avilo deserves his ban. ESL, Dreamhack, TL taking their a long time to issue a final ban was the right way to go about things.
I'd say Avilo's best move is a change of scenery where no one knows who he is and he can start fresh. Kinda like when high school kids get a shot at a "new image" when they go off to university. Kinda like that.
Hard to get a fresh start when googling your name brings up a kiwifarms thread...
Pretty sure you can get your real life name removed from sites
On July 22 2020 02:30 h20Fanatic wrote: They are both attention seekers, at any cost. You just haven't seen enough yet. Mark my words.
Maybe, but his behaviour is unacceptable anyways. Point isn't in "atira played along", or "seeked attention/viewers", but his dellusionality to drag her in relationship she dont want. She havent done anything illegal. This might not be "fair" but he is madman, played by Atira but instead of accepting it he started to harras her irl. That isnt normal nor acceptible.
O i totally support the avilo ban, let me make that clear. The dude is extremely repulsive and did no favors in representing the starcraft scene. It puzzles me how someone with such an annoying voice was able to get people to watch him.
But the entire thing wreaks like the aziz ansari situation. Dragged into a relationship? I mean, she willingly participated in a bdsm relationship(if that's your thing, whatever, who am i to kink shame), the evidence is there. It was only after he leaked the bdsm crap, she cries sexual abuse publicly?
I have one really important question to ask. Why isn't she going for a criminal conviction? All the #metoo victims pursued prosecution and criminal charges. What does atira do? She goes online airing out dirty laundry instead. Why? because it's all about attention. Actions speak louder than words. The judge and prosecutor would laugh her right out of the courtroom.
No they are not, both "sides" are not equal and it is not close.
Everyone needs to stop with the blaming Atira. Avilo had umpteen chances to stop and never did. In fact he bragged about it.
The guy needs actual mental help and being on a streaming service, or the message board or anywhere is clearly not helping him out.
He needs to be off of them because he is hurting others and getting worse. It is up to him now to first stop! And second to get help. If he can't do the first then it is likely that the police will have to do it for him.
On July 22 2020 00:19 HomeWorld wrote: I've been watching,and interacting, for so many years. I'm quite ashamed about what TL community has become.
Then maybe you need to find a better place for yourself. I'm proud of how we have, for the most part, grown as a community. Not supporting someone like Avilo is part of that growth.
You're not wrong when you say the guy needs actual mental help.
He basically streamed his life which was SC2, somehow a personal relationship got mixed up with it because of the nature of his lifestyle. I'm willing to bet people in the community used this in a way to attack him which is kind of shitty when you think about it. If the guy needs mental help like youre saying, maybe you should also be advocating that people just leave the guy alone??
The way he reacted to rejection shows that he has no real idea about how relationships work. Normally this wouldnt effect a persons job but in this case it has which isn't completely fair, even if he is an unlikeable prick.
People in this particular community at large haven’t really attacked him. Plenty have attacked his behaviour, plenty think he needs to step away and get some proper help, etc.
Not exclusively, but by and large.
I don’t see the real regular TL users talking about Avilo at all outside of when he comes up in a context like this.
On the other hand his ‘fan base’ who have egged him on and excused his terrible behaviour for years and got entertainment from it, sure they have a part of the blame.
His job basically became behaving toxically every day he streamed for a combination of fascinated voyeurs and people who are actually like Avilo.
Is it really any surprise he has got considerably worse over time?
I’m not even sure if he could hold down a regular job right now, he might need a period of self reflection.
Not because he’s some irredeemable person or anything hyperbolic like that, I do wonder if being a performing rage seal for years has had the Avilo stream personality bleed through to his regular life.
I wish both him and Atira the best outcome moving on from this particular episode, but I don’t think we should tolerate terrible behaviour in this community.
Oh nooooesssss!!!! i love cheering when avilo gets stomped. but unfortunately dude needs to be committed, because he seems like the textbook case of a crazy stalker who will physically harm his victim at some point
so i read the first few pages of his manifesto and then started skimming because it made brain hurting. later on in the manifesto he claims that they had actual sex. lol. somehow i doubt that. most of the manifesto is about jealous stalkers made atira lie about their relationship and break it off, but she still secretly loves him and thinks about him. assuming the screenshots are real, atira was leading him on/seeking attention and feeding into his delusions by saying she was turned on by him (ew) or falling in love with him (ew). he then rants about how she "cheated" on him with other streamers.
dude needs help and needs to realize some woman messaging how turned on she is by you online is not an actual relationship. girls seek validation and attention from boys online. doesn't mean shit.
On July 22 2020 02:45 h20Fanatic wrote: O i totally support the avilo ban, let me make that clear. The dude is extremely repulsive and did no favors in representing the starcraft scene. It puzzles me how someone with such an annoying voice was able to get people to watch him.
But the entire thing wreaks like the aziz ansari situation. Dragged into a relationship? I mean, she willingly participated in a bdsm relationship(if that's your thing, whatever, who am i to kink shame), the evidence is there. It was only after he leaked the bdsm crap, she cries sexual abuse publicly?
I have one really important question to ask. Why isn't she going for a criminal conviction? All the #metoo victims pursued prosecution and criminal charges. What does atira do? She goes online airing out dirty laundry instead. Why? because it's all about attention. Actions speak louder than words.
Because it costs money? Because she tried going the official route already did she not?
Not every crime or potential crime needs prosecuted, it’s up to the people hurt by said actions to make that decision.
Having been assaulted myself in a different circumstance, I chose not to press charges. A few punches in the face in a bar, no lasting damage. Wasn’t really worth the hassle, me having to take time out of my schedule potentially, nor indeed did I want my assailant to have a criminal record hanging over him for an incident I was partially at fault for and had shrugged off within a few days.
There are innumerable reasons there really, potentially to explain that away.
What are the reasons for Avilo not leaving this person alone when that was clearly what was desired? A good bit narrower and probably the more pertinent question here.
I have one really important question to ask. Why isn't she going for a criminal conviction? All the #metoo victims pursued prosecution and criminal charges. What does atira do? She goes online airing out dirty laundry instead. Why? because it's all about attention. Actions speak louder than words. The judge and prosecutor would laugh her right out of the courtroom.
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Atira ~took avilo to court~ informed the police about the harassment, and the state's attourney took him to court. The court records are publicly available, but I don't want to doxx him.
Unfortunately the state's attourney didn't consider Avilo enough a threat so if she wanted to press further charges she would have had to reveal her personal info to Avilo - The Accused has the right to know the name of their accuser.
She didn't press further charges to protect herself and her family's privacy / safety.
I just want to make it very clear that he is still harassing her to this very day, almost 2 years in.
I have one really important question to ask. Why isn't she going for a criminal conviction? All the #metoo victims pursued prosecution and criminal charges. What does atira do? She goes online airing out dirty laundry instead. Why? because it's all about attention. Actions speak louder than words. The judge and prosecutor would laugh her right out of the courtroom.
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Atira took avilo to court over the harassment, the court records are publicly available, but I don't want to doxx him.
Unfortunately the state's attourney didn't consider Avilo enough a threat so if she wanted to press further charges she would have had to reveal her personal info to Avilo - The Accused has the right to know the name of their accuser.
She didn't press further charges to protect herself and her family's privacy / safety.
I just want to make it very clear that he is still harassing her to this very day, almost 2 years in.
Source: Atira told me.
Nice first post, seems very heart wrenching, also amazing source.
How long will this ranting and raving go on for? lol
I made a new account to answer this guy, I don't see any problem with that.
Further I have no reason to believe Atira is lying about Avilo spamming her, since I have seen multiple examples of his harassment in the past.
I used to unironically watch him years ago, I liked his style of playing terran. If you read his entire manifesto, there's even a screenshot of me in there, warning Atira about what happened to Maria.
I have one really important question to ask. Why isn't she going for a criminal conviction? All the #metoo victims pursued prosecution and criminal charges. What does atira do? She goes online airing out dirty laundry instead. Why? because it's all about attention. Actions speak louder than words. The judge and prosecutor would laugh her right out of the courtroom.
User was temp banned for this post.
Atira took avilo to court over the harassment, the court records are publicly available, but I don't want to doxx him.
Unfortunately the state's attourney didn't consider Avilo enough a threat so if she wanted to press further charges she would have had to reveal her personal info to Avilo - The Accused has the right to know the name of their accuser.
She didn't press further charges to protect herself and her family's privacy / safety.
I just want to make it very clear that he is still harassing her to this very day, almost 2 years in.
Source: Atira told me.
Nice first post, seems very heart wrenching, also amazing source.
How long will this ranting and raving go on for? lol
There was literally a tl post months ago about Avilo going to court. It's common knowledge in the community. And statistically speaking a tiny amount of abusers actually get convicted even if the victim goes to the police. The law is incompetent at helping the vast majority of victims.
It's truly fascinating that people don't understand what's going on here.
The relationship between Avilo and Atira is completely irrelevant truly.
In no way did Atira make Avilo get his Twitch banned or make Avilo spam ESL chat on SC2 about Atira. Atira didn't do anything to make Avilo lash out against his opponents in ESL matches. Avilo did that before Atira and you can easily search it or find the videos on YouTube.
I have one really important question to ask. Why isn't she going for a criminal conviction? All the #metoo victims pursued prosecution and criminal charges. What does atira do? She goes online airing out dirty laundry instead. Why? because it's all about attention. Actions speak louder than words. The judge and prosecutor would laugh her right out of the courtroom.
User was temp banned for this post.
Atira took avilo to court over the harassment, the court records are publicly available, but I don't want to doxx him.
Unfortunately the state's attourney didn't consider Avilo enough a threat so if she wanted to press further charges she would have had to reveal her personal info to Avilo - The Accused has the right to know the name of their accuser.
She didn't press further charges to protect herself and her family's privacy / safety.
I just want to make it very clear that he is still harassing her to this very day, almost 2 years in.
Source: Atira told me.
Nice first post, seems very heart wrenching, also amazing source.
How long will this ranting and raving go on for? lol
There was literally a tl post months ago about Avilo going to court. It's common knowledge in the community. And statistically speaking a tiny amount of abusers actually get convicted even if the victim goes to the police. The law is incompetent at helping the vast majority of victims.
The problem is enforcement. You can't get a restraining order without telling a person where he or she can't go near. I would agree that the police will only show up after you're dead or maimed in this situation and it isn't worth telling your stalker where you live.
It's not Avilo's first rodeo either. When I say he can't take no for an answer, I mean that. I don't know about alts, but when he was blocked by Maria, he couldn't take the hint and kept trying to circumvent the blocks because he believed she was duped- the block wasn't really a block. . . if he only he could convince her otherwise. So he wouldn't leave her alone. He was warned back then that that sort of stalker/ harassment behaviour would wind him up with ban. Didn't sink in. Same pattern of behaviour now.
He's been warned and warned but he repeats the behaviour. So it's not some rando accusation that brings the great man down. He's been consistent: consistently bad. And it's finally catching up to him.
On July 22 2020 03:54 mikedupp wrote: It's truly fascinating that people don't understand what's going on here.
The relationship between Avilo and Atira is completely irrelevant truly.
In no way did Atira make Avilo get his Twitch banned or make Avilo spam ESL chat on SC2 about Atira. Atira didn't do anything to make Avilo lash out against his opponents in ESL matches. Avilo did that before Atira and you can easily search it or find the videos on YouTube.
Quite. However that doesn't stop folks from turning the conversation about how the woman being harassed might have deserved it, or the fact that he was harassing a woman who wasn't perfect means she deserves some of the blame too. It's very similar to what happens when any Youtuber who is equal parts popular and toxic finally gets called out. They can be one of the shittiest humans on Earth, and people will come out in droves to defend them by attacking other people. It's just surprising to me that it still happens with someone universally known for being an unstable, toxic, mediocre "pro" player.
Avilo appears to me as a pretty lonely and desesperate person with a deep lack of affection, it made him obsessive, deluded and dangerous. That said, requiring jail for him is like wishing a murder, he should be sent for a long therapy in a asylum tho Hm I feel like a armchair psychologue here.
Regardless of being guilty, platforms and organizers have a right to deny anyone who doesn't adhere to their policies and ethics as a player. It's clear that the drama he brings is negative and they are right to distance themselves. I think they have done a great job in being patient and seeing if he could move past this drama, but clearly he was incapable doing that. It's unfortunate anyone has to be banned and in this case it's a tough decision that good people are forced to make based on a mess of good and bad information.
Matter of fact, this is probably one of rare cases i actually could not care less about, it's just a shame they had to use harassment allegation/case as an excuse instead of being straightforward and just banning him for being PoS he is a long time ago, though.
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