Avilo banned from ESL and DreamHack

On July 21 2020 01:53 pvsnp wrote:
Wasn't he already banned? I remember reading about a ban recently.

He won't be missed, in any case.

On July 21 2020 02:34 Blargh wrote:
"He would become angry when I would use other streamers emotes in our dm's."
How could she do that to him....??

Just FYI, this ban probably had nothing to do with his behavior in-game and all to do with his behavior out-of-game.

On July 21 2020 03:59 Musicus wrote:
Avilo just posted a 41 page google doc eplaining his side and "clearing his name".

No way I will read this, but I guess he has the right to tell his story and maybe someone is interesed.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Scs0t06_FQhf63JJDgiifXjc6EBGhlWAMaXzycPj-bc/edit

On July 21 2020 04:17 TelecoM wrote:
I may grab a bag of popcorn for this 41 page Avilo explanation, this has got to be good. I wish someone would read it / summarize it in a video in a humorous way instead. =P

On July 21 2020 03:59 Musicus wrote:
Avilo just posted a 41 page google doc eplaining his side and "clearing his name".

No way I will read this, but I guess he has the right to tell his story and maybe someone is interesed.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Scs0t06_FQhf63JJDgiifXjc6EBGhlWAMaXzycPj-bc/edit

On July 21 2020 04:17 TelecoM wrote:
I may grab a bag of popcorn for this 41 page Avilo explanation, this has got to be good. I wish someone would read it / summarize it in a video in a humorous way instead. =P

On July 21 2020 04:25 Falling wrote:

A couple years ago, when we were figuring out what to do with Avilo based on other accusations, I bothered to listen to hours and hours of him 'telling his side of the story'- Destiny was trying to talk him down for some reason. Anyways, from that I concluded there is a tendency to imagine relationship where there is none, and when told no he is seemingly incapable of letting go in any sort of healthy manner with constant attempts to circumvent blocked communications, extreme accusations, cyclical patterns of thinking himself as the victim and that there is conspiracy against him. Looked like a very negative, unhealthy paranoid cycle of thinking back then. Doesn't look like things improved. I'm just glad TL was ahead of the curve in cutting him loose. I just hope he can find a path out.

On July 21 2020 06:18 zalem95 wrote:
I've seen this guy Avilo play since 2011 and I quickly realize that he got serious mental problems is a shock that no one in his family or close friends have told him to seek guidance or mental help... its sad though.

On July 21 2020 02:02 Wombat_NI wrote:
Took a while, rather bloody overdue

On July 21 2020 06:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

For the record, over the past 10+ years Avilo has on occasion flamed me on both GR.Org and on TL.Net.

Avilo is a borderline case. I strongly prefer how TL dealt with him on here and I'm glad it took a while for him to get banned on here. I prefer to live in a tolerant community that gives people who misbehave in minor ways several additional chances.

Avilo was given several chances.. he ran out of them... now he is gone.

Fair treatment for behaviour misconduct is never perfect ... at best it can be approximately correct. I think Dreamhack, TL , and ESL dealt with Avilo as close to correct as one can hope.

On July 21 2020 03:59 Musicus wrote:
Avilo just posted a 41 page google doc eplaining his side and "clearing his name".

No way I will read this, but I guess he has the right to tell his story and maybe someone is interesed.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Scs0t06_FQhf63JJDgiifXjc6EBGhlWAMaXzycPj-bc/edit

On July 21 2020 11:54 ProTech wrote:
While I don't think Avilo is all there psychologically, that 41 page thesis about what happened does look rather compelling and makes you wonder if this was just a stunt from atira to gain followers/subs/donators.

I don't quite know how you would confirm the validity of the screenshots but either way, I don't really think Avilo has much to lose at this point, and as far as I know all the criminal charges were dropped in his case.

I think it's about time people start looking at the other side of the story, rather than incriminating him because you simply don't like him.

On July 21 2020 11:54 ProTech wrote:
While I don't think Avilo is all there psychologically, that 41 page thesis about what happened does look rather compelling and makes you wonder if this was just a stunt from atira to gain followers/subs/donators.

I don't quite know how you would confirm the validity of the screenshots but either way, I don't really think Avilo has much to lose at this point, and as far as I know all the criminal charges were dropped in his case.

I think it's about time people start looking at the other side of the story, rather than incriminating him because you simply don't like him.

On July 21 2020 12:13 Wombat_NI wrote:

Compelling how?

The way he frames things, not to mention the whole 41 pages of rambling and dumping private stuff out there isn’t a defence so much as a validation of the charges.

If I was some arbiter, who knew nothing of either party and Atira came in alleging harassment, I asked Avilo for his counter and he presented that document I’d just grant her the restraining order immediately.

Your bar for believing accusations of harassment seems to be orders of magnitude beyond your bar for believing someone is maphacking.

On July 21 2020 14:15 RandomPlayer416 wrote:
Okay I'm not sticking up for Avilo, he clearly has issues and his idea of a relationship between 2 people is pretty wacked out. But this girl is to blame as well. If you look at the screen shots Avilo posted, clearly she was playing with him or leading him on. Maybe not to a regular person but to someone as weird as Avilo, he would cling to the things she says and cherish the thought of fooling around with a woman.

This girl saying her mental health was deteriorating?? I call BS on that. Blocking someone takes literally 1 second on any platform. The fact she couldnt find a way to get this parasite out of her life is on her 100%.

On July 21 2020 15:44 ProTech wrote:



Correct, but you're going to have a really hard time getting reasonable people to validate that point. It's just kinda how it works with unlikeable streamers.

On July 21 2020 16:20 deacon.frost wrote:

If I understand the case correctly Avilo can't take "NO" for an aswer. I can understand trying to change her mind about the first one, but 50th? C'mon.

On July 21 2020 16:55 ProTech wrote:



Bottom line is, if you look at the timeline and the imgurs you can clearly see that at some point in time Atira was obviously either 1) playing along, or 2) using avilo as a means to gain followers/viewers. She clearly was interested at some point.

It's mere speculation on my part, simply because I have no way to validate if the accounts shown in the imgur are actually her accounts or not.

Regardless, I don't think Avilo has anything to lie about, and I know for a fact that people will often times try to be in cahoots with a streamer in one way or another to use them for exposure.

What I don't like, is seeing forums like reddit and others who clearly don't read or look at the evidence presented and just dismiss it because they tuned into his stream for 5 minutes and instantly didn't like the person.

There is good evidence here that shows atira was either playing a long OR was actually trying to have a relationship with Avilo.

I think any reasonable person would simply block the user on social media if they truly wanted the "harassment" to stop.

On July 21 2020 18:13 DomeGetta wrote:



Yah - people can say what they want about Avilo (I personally have never been able to stand anything about him) - but if you read any of what he posted that girl should receive equal treatment from the esports industry and court of public opinion. This is exactly why people don't take "me too" issues as seriously as they should - because you have psychos like this girl using it as a platform to fuck over somebody she had a change of heart about. It's probably moot though since such a large majority of the community is made up of sexually frustrated nerds who see an attractive girl and have a seizure. Twitch won't do shit - and everyone will continue on flaming avilo (which he deserves - but not for this).

I had previously contacted the police about Avilo and they said they were aware that he harassed another girl a few years ago but nothing really came of it.
The cops had told Avilo to leave me alone back in the winter time but nothing really came of that either.
I called the cops again in March because Avilo wouldn't stop emailing me and kept demanding I talk to him and he said he will never ever stop.
I told the police about the recorded audio and handed it over to them.

Avilo was brought into the police station for an interview and was told to bring with him any evidence that he wasn't harassing me

On July 21 2020 19:52 -NegativeZero- wrote:
the police thing is legit - i remember someone posting a link to the official public record of the court case when it happened, although i don't feel like looking for it

On July 21 2020 20:56 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Ofc this Atira girl pushed his buttons. But he didn't have any control over his actions? Stalking and harassing her for months after she said leave me alone?

Pretty easy to block his main. Good luck with the 1000s of alts he is creating to harass you now.
He is a monster but in his head he thinks he is right.

On July 21 2020 21:48 ProTech wrote:
I have yet to see any evidence that he's creating alts to harass her, rather she's just letting him contact her under HER alts.

On July 21 2020 18:38 Jockmcplop wrote:
Avilo faking evidence?

https://twitter.com/avidiscorderino/status/1285308761993871360

Anyway one thing I definitely agree with Atira about is avilo getting a job.
The guy needs to get a job that doesn't involve him having 'fans' (incredibly toxic fans). He needs a boss and a fucking routine and all that other stuff that crushes ego.

On July 21 2020 16:55 ProTech wrote:



Bottom line is, if you look at the timeline and the imgurs you can clearly see that at some point in time Atira was obviously either 1) playing along, or 2) using avilo as a means to gain followers/viewers. She clearly was interested at some point.

It's mere speculation on my part, simply because I have no way to validate if the accounts shown in the imgur are actually her accounts or not.

Regardless, I don't think Avilo has anything to lie about, and I know for a fact that people will often times try to be in cahoots with a streamer in one way or another to use them for exposure.

What I don't like, is seeing forums like reddit and others who clearly don't read or look at the evidence presented and just dismiss it because they tuned into his stream for 5 minutes and instantly didn't like the person.

There is good evidence here that shows atira was either playing a long OR was actually trying to have a relationship with Avilo.

I think any reasonable person would simply block the user on social media if they truly wanted the "harassment" to stop.

On July 21 2020 18:38 Jockmcplop wrote:
Avilo faking evidence?

https://twitter.com/avidiscorderino/status/1285308761993871360

Anyway one thing I definitely agree with Atira about is avilo getting a job.
The guy needs to get a job that doesn't involve him having 'fans' (incredibly toxic fans). He needs a boss and a fucking routine and all that other stuff that crushes ego.

On July 21 2020 19:54 WaesumNinja wrote:


Some guy remembers some other guy posting the evidence, somewhere, so it's legit. Can't be bothered to find it though.

That summarizes the tone of this discussion that I have a problem with.

On July 21 2020 21:48 ProTech wrote:


I think it goes a little deeper than just pushing buttons. I have yet to see any evidence that he's creating alts to harass her, rather she's just letting him contact her under HER alts.

On July 21 2020 22:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
We need to be done with the ridiculous victim blaming.

Comments like these:



are particularly fucked up. Everything is well-documented and corroborated by many people (at tournaments, on streams, in private conversations, etc.), not merely fabricated by Atira. It's also absurd to assume that anyone who concludes that Avilo is a trash person based on all this abuse fallout merely has a biased agenda because they already hate him. That's not necessarily true at all; it's certainly not true for me, for example, who never really followed Avilo drama before this.

On July 21 2020 23:03 Zealously wrote:
Fortunately this is not a court of law and private companies/internet companies are free to ostracize whomever they want according to behavior they have OBSERVED,

On July 21 2020 23:03 Zealously wrote:
avilo has not been able to demonstrate that Atira is lying about the substance of what he has said or done to her. If such evidence existed, he is free to present it.

On July 21 2020 23:03 Zealously wrote:
If you are never going to take the victim's word for anything that happened to them in a private relationship, I'm not sure how you expect to ever be convinced of anything. What the hell does "private conversations do not prove anything" even mean? What kind of evidence do you want?

On July 21 2020 23:03 Zealously wrote:
Why is your default position that someone who has subjected themselves to avilo's visibly toxic and aggressive fanbase is lying?

On July 21 2020 23:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
This isn't a court of law, and everything's been talked about in depth across multiple threads, including the sexual harassment thread. If you or ProTech came late to the party and want to catch up on the reading, I think that's a great idea. But accusing an abuse survivor of making it up - even if you haven't spent the time to educate yourself yet - is extremely inappropriate.

On July 21 2020 23:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Edit: I just realized ProTech got tempbanned, so he won't be able to respond. Hopefully, he learns his lesson.

On July 21 2020 23:32 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
I can't believe people are trying to defend avilo's behavior.

On July 21 2020 18:19 ProTech wrote:


That kinda the problem IMO though. Twtich ended up banning his account, and gave him absolutely no way to tell the other side of the story aside from platforms where he's hated like TL or Reddit.

However, to say with conviction that she should be treated the same way is kind of a hard thing to do, because for all I know Avilo could be photo shopping and cropping images, I don't know how to validate the usernames in those imgurs.

In my mind its pretty likely that he isn't lying because he's probably already come to terms with the fact that even if the truth does get out, he'll probably not get unbanned from twitch.

I just don't see what he has to lose.

On July 21 2020 23:56 Wombat_NI wrote:
Perhaps Atira does donate 150 dollars to herself via a smurf purporting to be Avilo and break down crying and end a day’s streaming. I’d hazard a guess with a high degree of certainty that she does not.

On July 21 2020 23:09 HomeWorld wrote:
After reading this thread, I'm under the impression that we are back in the darkest human age. Too much hate for a person that can't even (isn't allowed anymore to) defend himself.

On July 22 2020 00:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

Aren't people on both "sides" in this dispute monetizing their content? if that's the case its hard to believe anything from either side with any degree of certainty because both sides are chasing clicks, views, and subscriber donations rather than the truth.

On July 22 2020 00:22 JimmiC wrote:

No they are not, both "sides" are not equal and it is not close.

On July 22 2020 00:23 Wombat_NI wrote:

It wouldn’t necessarily preclude being honest.

Maybe there’s a niche, I don’t know. Avilo yes people clearly tuned in to watch a train wreck, I’m not sure what appeal there is to have another streamer (who btw has tried to put distance continually) dealing with it second hand.

On July 22 2020 00:34 sharkie wrote:
Whats with all the money suspicions now?

On July 21 2020 04:17 TelecoM wrote:
I may grab a bag of popcorn for this 41 page Avilo explanation, this has got to be good. I wish someone would read it / summarize it in a video in a humorous way instead. =P

On July 22 2020 00:22 JimmiC wrote:

No they are not, both "sides" are not equal and it is not close.

Everyone needs to stop with the blaming Atira. Avilo had umpteen chances to stop and never did. In fact he bragged about it.

The guy needs actual mental help and being on a streaming service, or the message board or anywhere is clearly not helping him out.

He needs to be off of them because he is hurting others and getting worse. It is up to him now to first stop! And second to get help. If he can't do the first then it is likely that the police will have to do it for him.



Then maybe you need to find a better place for yourself. I'm proud of how we have, for the most part, grown as a community. Not supporting someone like Avilo is part of that growth.

On July 22 2020 00:12 RandomPlayer416 wrote:
I was thinking about this a bit more.

Atira said she "had heard about Avilo and what he is known for but didn't pass judgement on it because she never saw that behaviour on stream." Now this I have a really hard time believing. I used to watch Avilo's stream because at times he was the only terran player and he was almost always being toxic in some way. Nothing he ever said was funny or interesting. He is not an attractive person, he was not and is not liked by the community at any point during his "Sc2 career". All of this leads me to believe she saw him as an easy target and used him to get her name out in circulation.

Lets be real, she is a gold/plat level player. Why would any fan of starcraft want to tune in and watch that? Oh because shes kind of cute?? So she is attracting weak minded, desperate people who latch on to things and will do anything to try and maintain it. Thats who Avilo is and she knew it.

TL DR:
-Avilo is socially awkward
-Atira was unknown, became involved with avilo one way or another
-Atira realizes she can use avilo's popularity to gain attention for herself.
-Avilo can't handle rejection from real relationship, loses his mind
-community involvement causes avilo to become paranoid and increases his outlandish behaviour
-Atira exposes him, ruins his "SC2 Career"
-Atira gains viewership, avilo gets banned.

I really dont think its fair what happened to him, eventhough the way he reacted to everything was his own fault. He probably saw Atira as the best he would ever do in a relationship and had a meltdown when he watched it slip away. Its kind of sad really. Trolls in the community probably played a part in this as well one way or another.

On July 22 2020 00:54 JimmiC wrote:
This "both sides" argument is pathetic victim blaming and it needs to stop.

And the anti Avilo people do not want any content from him. We want him off line getting help. You are confusing us with his fans.

On July 22 2020 01:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

how can you speak for what all Anti-Avilo people want? I'd say some # of the Anti-Avilo people want to watch rage videos like the one I posted. This explains why it has 5,700+ views.

I am not victim blaming. i'd say the two individuals both have groups trying to screw them over. I'd say both individuals are victims. That said, it is hard to discern all the facts.

On July 22 2020 01:27 Jockmcplop wrote:


The problem is that she is a victim of Avilo, whereas Avilo is a victim of Avilo.

On July 22 2020 02:30 h20Fanatic wrote:
They are both attention seekers, at any cost. You just haven't seen enough yet. Mark my words.

On July 22 2020 01:04 RandomPlayer416 wrote:


You're not wrong when you say the guy needs actual mental help.

He basically streamed his life which was SC2, somehow a personal relationship got mixed up with it because of the nature of his lifestyle. I'm willing to bet people in the community used this in a way to attack him which is kind of shitty when you think about it. If the guy needs mental help like youre saying, maybe you should also be advocating that people just leave the guy alone??

The way he reacted to rejection shows that he has no real idea about how relationships work. Normally this wouldnt effect a persons job but in this case it has which isn't completely fair, even if he is an unlikeable prick.

On July 22 2020 02:45 h20Fanatic wrote:
O i totally support the avilo ban, let me make that clear. The dude is extremely repulsive and did no favors in representing the starcraft scene. It puzzles me how someone with such an annoying voice was able to get people to watch him.

But the entire thing wreaks like the aziz ansari situation. Dragged into a relationship? I mean, she willingly participated in a bdsm relationship(if that's your thing, whatever, who am i to kink shame), the evidence is there. It was only after he leaked the bdsm crap, she cries sexual abuse publicly?

I have one really important question to ask. Why isn't she going for a criminal conviction? All the #metoo victims pursued prosecution and criminal charges. What does atira do? She goes online airing out dirty laundry instead. Why? because it's all about attention. Actions speak louder than words.

On July 22 2020 02:45 h20Fanatic wrote:

I have one really important question to ask. Why isn't she going for a criminal conviction? All the #metoo victims pursued prosecution and criminal charges. What does atira do? She goes online airing out dirty laundry instead. Why? because it's all about attention. Actions speak louder than words. The judge and prosecutor would laugh her right out of the courtroom.



User was temp banned for this post.

On July 22 2020 03:31 serendipitous wrote:


There was literally a tl post months ago about Avilo going to court. It's common knowledge in the community. And statistically speaking a tiny amount of abusers actually get convicted even if the victim goes to the police. The law is incompetent at helping the vast majority of victims.

On July 22 2020 03:54 mikedupp wrote:
It's truly fascinating that people don't understand what's going on here.

The relationship between Avilo and Atira is completely irrelevant truly.

In no way did Atira make Avilo get his Twitch banned or make Avilo spam ESL chat on SC2 about Atira. Atira didn't do anything to make Avilo lash out against his opponents in ESL matches. Avilo did that before Atira and you can easily search it or find the videos on YouTube.

On July 22 2020 06:53 lolfail9001 wrote:
Well, i am personally not going to miss him.

Matter of fact, this is probably one of rare cases i actually could not care less about, it's just a shame they had to use harassment allegation/case as an excuse instead of being straightforward and just banning him for being PoS he is a long time ago, though.

On July 21 2020 06:34 Warcloud wrote:
This post is proof that being toxic makes you more popular than being a good starcraft player.

On July 22 2020 19:43 supressionofinfo wrote:
Looks like this entire thread and many other places are suppressing the information for people to make a valid opinion. avilo released a statement that for some reason is not being discussed here, and a few users were banned for.

https://twitter.com/avilosc2/status/1285283192782675971

On July 22 2020 19:58 Sr18 wrote:


Avilo's response is posted on the first page of this thread, what are you talking about?

On July 22 2020 20:31 -Kyo- wrote:


I think it's pretty easy to process this stuff. If anything, american law has been more at the forefront of things like this/other internet crimes such as revenge porn and so on. There are just separate problems on the side of what the accuser/person who is going to take legal action wishes to do, if it's worth it, or how it may affect their immediate social circle... there is a lot there for them to think about

I am still rather amazed at how this story continues to play out in our community. I'm almost starting to wonder if it will just continue on with random updates over time. As others have mentioned, it seems like any further legal action is unlikely without some huge spark. Hopefully it stays at this level and such an escalation never occurs... but... well... we've already gone up a few levels from where this all was a while ago... so who knows... @_@;;

On July 22 2020 04:33 BisuDagger wrote:
Regardless of being guilty, platforms and organizers have a right to deny anyone who doesn't adhere to their policies and ethics as a player. It's clear that the drama he brings is negative and they are right to distance themselves. I think they have done a great job in being patient and seeing if he could move past this drama, but clearly he was incapable doing that. It's unfortunate anyone has to be banned and in this case it's a tough decision that good people are forced to make based on a mess of good and bad information.

On July 22 2020 19:43 supressionofinfo wrote:
Looks like this entire thread and many other places are suppressing the information for people to make a valid opinion. avilo released a statement that for some reason is not being discussed here, and a few users were banned for.

https://twitter.com/avilosc2/status/1285283192782675971

User was banned for this post.

On July 22 2020 23:01 Rainmansc wrote:

User banned for this post? What the actual fuck is happening here?
Avilo obviously is in the wrong here but this goes too far...

On July 22 2020 23:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's not in the first post anymore. If it ever was.

On July 22 2020 23:01 Rainmansc wrote:

User banned for this post? What the actual fuck is happening here?
Avilo obviously is in the wrong here but this goes too far...

On July 22 2020 19:43 supressionofinfo wrote:
Looks like this entire thread and many other places are suppressing the information for people to make a valid opinion. avilo released a statement that for some reason is not being discussed here, and a few users were banned for.

https://twitter.com/avilosc2/status/1285283192782675971

User was banned for this post.

On July 23 2020 02:37 DieuCure wrote:
Everything went wrong after he got rid of his bunkbed. But seriously, the inquisitors who are going after Avilo by omitting a good part of the story arent much better.

He got punished on the web, Justice is/was after him, what are you trying to accomplish now ?

On July 22 2020 19:43 supressionofinfo wrote:
Looks like this entire thread and many other places are suppressing the information for people to make a valid opinion. avilo released a statement that for some reason is not being discussed here, and a few users were banned for.

https://twitter.com/avilosc2/status/1285283192782675971

User was banned for this post.

On July 22 2020 06:53 lolfail9001 wrote:
it's just a shame they had to use harassment allegation/case as an excuse instead of being straightforward and just banning him for being PoS he is a long time ago, though.

On July 23 2020 18:22 WaesumNinja wrote:


So for some clarity and speculation.

I see this video posted all the time, but... why? He isn't doing anything in the video, I don't see what purpose it serves. He's even being calmer than when he's behind his keyboard. What "shitty thing you did" is he referring to? Something that happened at the event?

Is it really that outlandish to assume that someone devoting themselves to gaming that much would be present at a gaming tournament? He has participated in qualifiers at this specific tournament before, and supposedly his fans donated to him so he could go there. According to liquipedia, he did not participate in the qualifiers for the year this video is supposedly recorded, which is weird. And he would do better for himself if he did not try to confront her about anything there. But I can't tell what this video is supposed to show.

On July 23 2020 21:05 Wombat_NI wrote:

Is it that outlandish to assume that being at a gaming event where you don’t sign up to play in the tournament, that the person who’s accused you of stalking/harassment is at and having an encounter with said person isn’t exactly ideal?

On July 22 2020 04:33 BisuDagger wrote:
Regardless of being guilty, platforms and organizers have a right to deny anyone who doesn't adhere to their policies and ethics as a player. It's clear that the drama he brings is negative and they are right to distance themselves. I think they have done a great job in being patient and seeing if he could move past this drama, but clearly he was incapable doing that. It's unfortunate anyone has to be banned and in this case it's a tough decision that good people are forced to make based on a mess of good and bad information.

On July 24 2020 03:07 phodacbiet wrote:
After reading Avilo's manifesto, it corroborates Atira's side of the story to me. His consensual "proofs" are nothing more than him being creepy while she's either giving him a one-word response or trying to change the subject. Most of the images are just avilo spamming about his horniness while she responded "yes" to all his question and sending an emoji in others. The text send to receive ratio is heavily skewed towards avilo's side. Take this image for example, imgur.com. This to me isn't proof, this reads like someone who is over it and is just agreeing with Avilo so that he would drop the topic because they are so mentally done. Atira to me reads like someone who got stuck in a situation and doesn't know how to get out so she just went along with it.

On July 24 2020 03:29 AlgeriaT wrote:
I agree. He also proves that he's been recording and screenshotting seemingly every single conversation with both Atira and Maria, even back when there were no problems yet.

On July 24 2020 03:52 WaesumNinja wrote:


Or maybe he scrolled up in the logs. I don't know where they chat, but I can go back for years in all instant messaging services I use.

On July 24 2020 03:59 Timebon3s wrote:
Wasn't some of them snapchats photos photographed by another phone?
I can understand some of the logs are being kept, but not snapchats.

On July 24 2020 01:20 renaissanceMAN wrote:


sorry if this is a bit random, but what is GR.org?

On July 24 2020 07:31 JimmiC wrote:
I'm guessing Command and Conquer. The TS (Tiberian Sun) online is where I met Ret long long ago and we played on the top two competitive clans. Way way back in the day. After that he went onto Broodwar and I went onto restaurant work and too much booze!

On July 24 2020 08:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Gina Carano is prolly half the reason i bought Red Alert 3.

" ...while sitting on my yacht surrounded by beautiful women.. sometimes i think about what it might be like to actually play video games... "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIoTBi9ydkw

On July 24 2020 07:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

GameReplays.org

loosely speaking ... its sorta the TL.net of the C&C franchise.

On July 27 2020 21:45 Stetkaer wrote:
Please bear with and understand Avilo.

There are far worth things going on in the world.

On July 27 2020 21:45 Stetkaer wrote:
Please bear with and understand Avilo.

There are far worth things going on in the world.

On July 21 2020 03:59 Musicus wrote:
Avilo just posted a 41 page google doc eplaining his side and "clearing his name".

No way I will read this, but I guess he has the right to tell his story and maybe someone is interesed.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Scs0t06_FQhf63JJDgiifXjc6EBGhlWAMaXzycPj-bc/edit

On August 03 2022 18:25 dbRic1203 wrote:
What an unpleasant bump

On August 08 2022 14:15 Lambertus wrote:
Im pretty sure the 2 Post Accounts are him again. Very unpleasant, this bump

On August 08 2022 18:48 11144332 wrote:


If you have discord or telegram or whatsapp, we can video call.

I'm a bald white guy with glasses and (until 2 days ago) had a nice handlebar mustache.

But since you will probably say something like "oh, I forgot my discord password" then I extend the offer to anyone on TL -- not just the liar whose belief system lacks the wisdom gained by a bookshelf of epistemology books.

On August 09 2022 01:52 Lambertus wrote:
Hello Numbers Guy,

as you put your ask so nicely and as a adult challenge, it is obviously impossible to come out of this somehow without you having the chance to accuse everybody of something and you being the "winner". I am not interested in haven to proof anything to you or to me or the the forum. I just regret with a little pang in my heart, that I even responded to this bump at all...