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Harassment/Abuse in StarCraft 2

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We understand that this topic evokes strong feelings. In the interest of maintaining a necessary and productive discussion, we will be taking a strong stance against posters that clearly do not contribute to this aim. Dishonest and bad faith arguments, victim blaming, and attacks on other users, will be strictly moderated. A post which only serves to muddy the waters and dishonestly portray the nature of assault and harassment (and corresponding accusations) is also unwelcome.
serendipitous
Profile Joined November 2017
Canada195 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 18:38:25
June 23 2020 20:16 GMT
#1
Lately a lot of people have been coming out against sexual abuse and harassment by people in esports and on twitch. A few members of the StarCraft community have come out with allegations or stories about things that happened in team houses, on twitter, at tournaments, etc.

Kaitlyn talking about jp


TLO and Pengwin talking about harassment in Korean teamhouses
and


Bubblelizzy talking about some pretty serious harassment


And several women who have come out with stories about RAPiDcasting

A player called Deity


Ykie, Beastyqt's gf who dealt with him at league of legends tournaments in the past https://twitter.com/ykielol/status/1275258604715757570?s=21

theresagaffney head coach of messiah esports


a girl who says she had similar experiences in 2012 when he was a league caster edit: this woman has since went private to avoid harassment and negative attention

There's also the well known case of Avilo stalking a few girls

What are your thoughts on the situation? Makes me especially worried about the kinds of things that might have happened in Korean teamhouses that we don't know about.

Edit:

Eleine on an unnamed pro that attempted to rape her in her hotel room


Edit 2:

Part 2 by Ykielol https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr9nkr

Sexual harassment, abuse and stalking by Avilo, towards Atira https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr9nik

Edit 3:

Allaryce vouching for the stories about rapid


Edit 4:

Poizon speaking about her experiences in the scene https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr9o6h

Edit 5: ykie and beastyqt discussing rapid on stream https://www.twitch.tv/videos/660234345?t=03h23m00s

Edit 6: A woman named Melanie talking about being groomed by Rapid http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr9qgu

Edit 7: https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1HwFu8r0CJBNedtlbrjcv6heXYF7CKh1D-TYFJV10QEE/mobilebasic statement about itsmeun, team manager of MKERS
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
June 23 2020 20:39 GMT
#2
I used to feel bad for Rapid, because I tough even thought he was kind of a bad caster he put in the worked and deserved more respect. Well screw that shit, fuck him.

Hopefully those who have similar story will come forward. I hope I'm not wrong and the Starcraft community really is a bit more wholesome than most of the Esport landscape.
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
June 23 2020 20:41 GMT
#3
Wow reading about these makes me very uncomfortable - my heart is out to anyone who had to go through situations like those. Sexual harassment is disgusting and I'm glad people are coming forward to talk about it because it's certainly prevalent in a hyper-masculine niche like esports.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-23 20:44:13
June 23 2020 20:43 GMT
#4
I think there was an opportunity to do something about it back when Destiny was still an SC2 streamer and had that stream where he was really drunk with the pornstar groping all over her and there was a mini-controversy about it that went nowhere of course. Or Avilo's repeated insanities that hurt him but didn't lead to anything larger about behavior in general. Now there's another opportunity and hopefully this time some real standards will be set and enforced in the SC2 scene and esports industry as a whole.
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Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
June 23 2020 20:44 GMT
#5
Is there a reason all that stuff is coming out now? It's a genuine question, I don't follow Twitter nor Twitch related stuff.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-23 20:47:20
June 23 2020 20:47 GMT
#6
On June 24 2020 05:44 Serimek wrote:
Is there a reason all that stuff is coming out now? It's a genuine question, I don't follow Twitter nor Twitch related stuff.


I think it started with some Destiny (the game not the person) thing and it just got the ball rolling.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-23 21:17:11
June 23 2020 21:16 GMT
#7
It's really sad to hear all these stories, but it's important that we purge this bad behavior from our community. It can be extra hard because the SC community is so tight-knit, so when we hear about a community figure doing this shit, it doesn't feel like a random celebrity, but like an acquaintance or a friend, doing this.

Besides the obvious moral reasons for stopping this bad behavior, if we allow this to continue, it will destroy the entire community. No more sponsors, no more tournaments, no more support from Blizzard, no more progamers, no more fans...
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
loppy2345
Profile Joined August 2015
39 Posts
June 23 2020 21:21 GMT
#8
Rapid always seemed like a creep, used to feel sorry for him but not any more. I hope JP gets banned from twitch and youtube, I feel streaming and video platforms have a responsibility to act.
DeLoAdEr
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Japan527 Posts
June 23 2020 21:37 GMT
#9
not surprised. JP and rapid always had a creepy vibe
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
935 Posts
June 23 2020 21:52 GMT
#10
HOLY SHIT FUCK
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IlluvataR.
Profile Joined June 2020
1 Post
June 23 2020 21:58 GMT
#11
thats some messed up shit! What happened with JP? Seemed to have missed those tweets
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-23 22:04:43
June 23 2020 22:03 GMT
#12
Im just happy it's not about any of the active and well known talent or community figures. Honest to god, I cant recall who Rapid was, and i'm not about to google him. Avilo is a creep, that's known for long and he's always been marginalized. Havent ever heard about that Korean coach/manager.
Let's see if there's more coming out, but the above cases, while bad, arent painting a picture of hostile and harassing/abusive climate/ community. All things considered, fairly few cases so far for a 10+ year period, involving hundreds of people.
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misterxy1994
Profile Joined July 2013
Germany53 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-24 08:34:42
June 23 2020 22:11 GMT
#13
Is there any proof of that? Oh, I had "no script" enabled and could not see the tweets...
Bonkarooni
Profile Joined October 2010
United States383 Posts
June 23 2020 22:17 GMT
#14
I really feel like just saying "And the Avilo thing with a few girls" isn't shining a bright enough spotlight on one of the worst, repeat sexual predators in the scene. Literally as of a week ago he was still harassing a girl via twitter (You can go look at his twitter, he is @ing her constantly, latest was June 16th) He had art commissioned of the two of them kissing and pinned it to his twitter feed, which she publicly stated never happened). Yet ESL still allows him to play in their weekly cups. It blows my mind how his antics have never been a huge deal within the community (or at least, if they have, I have missed it)
serendipitous
Profile Joined November 2017
Canada195 Posts
June 23 2020 22:19 GMT
#15
On June 24 2020 07:17 Bonkarooni wrote:
I really feel like just saying "And the Avilo thing with a few girls" isn't shining a bright enough spotlight on one of the worst, repeat sexual predators in the scene. Literally as of a week ago he was still harassing a girl via twitter (You can go look at his twitter, he is @ing her constantly, latest was June 16th) He had art commissioned of the two of them kissing and pinned it to his twitter feed, which she publicly stated never happened). Yet ESL still allows him to play in their weekly cups. It blows my mind how his antics have never been a huge deal within the community (or at least, if they have, I have missed it)

Yeah Avilo's behaviour is too expansive to just be documented in this thread. Not really sure what to do. I'm glad that he's banned from twitch but he's still out there stalking and harassing women and it's awful how many people just don't care or enable him.
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1913 Posts
June 23 2020 22:33 GMT
#16
I am happy there seems to be relatively little sexual harassment within the SC2 community, but considering the very low amount of girls there is, I would not be surprised if the number of of uncomfortable situations and conversations between guys should be higher than the one between girls and guys. It is perfectly possible to harass a guy without being gay.

The worst kind of gender based harassment is probably all the ones calling out girls for being part of the scene because of their gender rather than their qualifications. IMO, it is fine to critizise a female streamer/caster/player etc, but playing the gender card is not acceptable, and is in fact pretty serious harassment.
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
June 23 2020 22:34 GMT
#17
I am so proud of all of these people. It is not easy to be bullied, harassed or touched and continue living and it is even harder to share it publicly.

Sunlight is a great antiseptic.

Peek-a-boo creepers, Fuck you.

We can't stop anons from being blah on social media, but we can penalize creepers and remove them from positions of power within the community.

May the souls of those that prey on others wither to sand and may the God or Goddess of their choosing punish them accordingly.


Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2624 Posts
June 23 2020 22:41 GMT
#18
Duckdeok was also molested in the Werra teamhouse btw. By the manager Gundam.
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
June 23 2020 22:50 GMT
#19
On June 24 2020 07:03 Geo.Rion wrote:
Im just happy it's not about any of the active and well known talent or community figures. Honest to god, I cant recall who Rapid was, and i'm not about to google him. Avilo is a creep, that's known for long and he's always been marginalized. Havent ever heard about that Korean coach/manager.
Let's see if there's more coming out, but the above cases, while bad, arent painting a picture of hostile and harassing/abusive climate/ community. All things considered, fairly few cases so far for a 10+ year period, involving hundreds of people.


The woman who started the reddit post on the same subject evoked a similar experience with someone "very very well known and still successfull in SC2" that is very powerfull. Somehow I don't think she meant Rapid.
Anyway no point in guessing, hopefully the comportement of said person has/will change.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
June 23 2020 22:52 GMT
#20
On June 24 2020 07:17 Bonkarooni wrote:
I really feel like just saying "And the Avilo thing with a few girls" isn't shining a bright enough spotlight on one of the worst, repeat sexual predators in the scene. Literally as of a week ago he was still harassing a girl via twitter (You can go look at his twitter, he is @ing her constantly, latest was June 16th) He had art commissioned of the two of them kissing and pinned it to his twitter feed, which she publicly stated never happened). Yet ESL still allows him to play in their weekly cups. It blows my mind how his antics have never been a huge deal within the community (or at least, if they have, I have missed it)


The fact that ESL lets him play is ridiculous but as for his popularity, his fans don't care that he's a complete scumbag. They like him for it.

The thing is, nowadays if you just accept the villain mantra enough there is a type of popularity to be gained that normal people that play by the rules can't gain access to.

Avilo has tapped into that. It's not going away without him just being forcibly banned by the various platforms. They don't seem to care though for some reason.
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