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Harassment/Abuse in StarCraft 2 - Page 2
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria818 Posts
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mikedupp
233 Posts
https://twitter.com/CyanEsports/status/1275468108036218881?s=20 https://twitter.com/CyanEsports/status/1275468486609944577?s=20 Appears that /r/starcraft mods have deleted and banned users in the past who posted about rapid's allegations | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On June 24 2020 07:58 SC-Shield wrote: Well, according to comments, Avilo isn't with this girl or never was. Still creepy. + Show Spoiler + https://twitter.com/avilosc2/status/1267600968985858058 Ya, can we not post it pls? | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
"Someone you look up to and respect is hurting people" That is kind of hard to process. Not as hard as being a victim, but I am definitely watching with beady eyes. I know this .... abusers unpunished don't change. Even punished ones rarely walk the road to perdition. I'll reiterate. If you are hurting people, you are unsafe. Everything you love, everyone who loves you - can be taken in a Thanos snap. Just a reminder for anyone living in California, there is no statue of limitations on sexual abuse-assault in our state, 30 years or 30 minutes, you have criminal and civil rights here and the largest pro-bono free legal support network in the world. Be heard, Get justice, Burn monsters. | ||
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mikedupp
233 Posts
Why not? Why sweep this under the rug like it has been for years? | ||
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TelecoM
United States10673 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On June 24 2020 08:02 mikedupp wrote: Why not? Why sweep this under the rug like it has been for years? Cause it's a poster literaly showing a guy kissing the girl he's been criminaly charged for harrassing, there's no need to show it to make the point. | ||
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Aesto
44 Posts
 In a way it is a little easier to hate esports personalities, especially casters, since their work is pretty much inseparable from their personality. On June 24 2020 07:17 Bonkarooni wrote: I honestly didn't know this about Avilo simply because I've always avoided him since he's already such an idiot in so many other ways. I imagine that might be true for others as well.[...] It blows my mind how his antics have never been a huge deal within the community (or at least, if they have, I have missed it) | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On June 24 2020 08:02 mikedupp wrote: Why not? Why sweep this under the rug like it has been for years? I think he means, don't spread Captain creepers creepy picture, not "Let the creeper keep creeping". | ||
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9-BiT
United States1089 Posts
On June 24 2020 08:01 AttackZerg wrote: I am glad when victims express themselves and I support it ofc but ... man is that a hard thing to deal with going forward. "Someone you look up to and respect is hurting people" That is kind of hard to process. Not as hard as being a victim, but I am definitely watching with beady eyes. I know this .... abusers unpunished don't change. Even punished ones rarely walk the road to perdition. I'll reiterate. If you are hurting people, you are unsafe. Everything you love, everyone who loves you - can be taken in a Thanos snap. Just a reminder for anyone living in California, there is no statue of limitations on sexual abuse-assault in our state, 30 years or 30 minutes, you have criminal and civil rights here and the largest pro-bono free legal support network in the world. Be heard, Get justice, Burn monsters. why does the depth of soyboys cultural knowledge begin and end with marvel/harry potter references? is this the only lens through which you can understand the world? User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25354 Posts
On June 24 2020 08:04 GGzerG wrote: I'm sorry but it is a little ridiculous to just make allegations about someone with no proof, regardless of whether or not you have a really heart warming / sad and heart wrenching story, there has to be proof or I will not be joining in this hate towards Rapid. I understand how terrible this is that it happened to people, and I feel for the women that it happened to, but a lot of this no offense can be almost the same as people screaming rape with no proof. Again no offense, but I don't think witch hunting with no proof is a good idea. Ideally yes, equally the climate is shifting. Which is a good thing. I think you underestimate how difficult it would be as a young woman in this industry to come out and accuse someone who has more clout in an industry they want into. It’s a delicate balancing act, I want women to be able to come forward with concerns in this area, equally I don’t want guys to be lynched on Twitter either. I do think we’re moving in the right direction societally, really what is needed is an environment that women can come out around the times alleged events occurred, as proof or a lack thereof will be more apparent. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19240 Posts
On June 24 2020 08:04 GGzerG wrote: I'm sorry but it is a little ridiculous to just make allegations about someone with no proof, regardless of whether or not you have a really heart warming / sad and heart wrenching story, there has to be proof or I will not be joining in this hate towards Rapid. I understand how terrible this is that it happened to people, and I feel for the women that it happened to, but a lot of this no offense can be almost the same as people screaming rape with no proof. Again no offense, but I don't think witch hunting with no proof is a good idea. We don't have to witch hunt individuals to collectively understand better the obstacles men and women are running into during their time with SC2 and eSports. I think the best thing we can do is 1. Encourage people to speak up to those around them as soon as possible for help or mediation of a situation that makes them uncomfortable and 2. Do everything in our power to help others out of these situations. I hope that those of us in important positions can work harder to make themselves accessible for assistance when others require it. I know I am not a famous person, but if anyone reads this and needs someone to talk to on a personal level please PM me. I hope others will follow my initiative too. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25354 Posts
Not excusing his terrible conduct with this but the guy really does have serious issues, his fan base getting off to watching a train wreck should be ashamed of themselves. | ||
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mikedupp
233 Posts
On June 24 2020 08:18 Wombat_NI wrote: As an aside Avilo is allowed to play in ESL cups? News to me, I really don’t think he should be. Not excusing his terrible conduct with this but the guy really does have serious issues, his fan base getting off to watching a train wreck should be ashamed of themselves. Yes he is and you can see him every week in ESL chat freaking out about "his girl". The admins just tell him to chill. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25354 Posts
On June 24 2020 08:12 9-BiT wrote: why does the depth of soyboys cultural knowledge begin and end with marvel/harry potter references? is this the only lens through which you can understand the world? Why do people of a certain bent love to throw out the word soyboy? Is some overly compensatory nod to masculine manly things the only lens through which they can understand the world? Really? That’s what you chose to comment on in this post, a throwaway Thanos reference thrown in for effect? It’s not like he built his post around the themes of a Marvel movie, it was just a reference Jesus. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On June 24 2020 08:04 GGzerG wrote: I'm sorry but it is a little ridiculous to just make allegations about someone with no proof, regardless of whether or not you have a really heart warming / sad and heart wrenching story, there has to be proof or I will not be joining in this hate towards Rapid. I understand how terrible this is that it happened to people, and I feel for the women that it happened to, but a lot of this no offense can be almost the same as people screaming rape with no proof. Again no offense, but I don't think witch hunting with no proof is a good idea. I do not like covert black balling or witch trials or red scares either. We are not advanced enough to be at a judge and jury point. Right now, we are all collectively taking in new information, no knives sharpened, no guns load. Just people sharing stories. When actions are taken against these people, then is the time to decide for yourself if you think they are just or not. Whether people are credible or not. Nobody other then the people involved know the imperical truth. Don't be shocked thou, when the damn bursts ... IF Rapid or any of these other people have done things ... then when the damn bursts, we will most likely hear stories from more then one person. People who do this stuff, rarely ever do it once. Right now, humanity demands reading the stories caring if someone is hurting people. Nobody is required to believe anyone. Not an attack but ask yourself this, How many people would it take to change your mind about someone? This is a private answer, but you need to have a gauge. Do you need video proof, chat, 100 people, voice proof, a confession, a witness..... it is important to have a gauge for what proof would look like to you. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On June 24 2020 08:12 9-BiT wrote: why does the depth of soyboys cultural knowledge begin and end with marvel/harry potter references? is this the only lens through which you can understand the world? Never read Harry Potter. Wish you did. I heard it helps children learn to read and write up to the 8th grade. Soy is gross. Enjoy your statues. | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
On June 24 2020 05:44 Serimek wrote: Is there a reason all that stuff is coming out now? It's a genuine question, I don't follow Twitter nor Twitch related stuff. probably part of a bigger movement on Twitch https://www.gamespot.com/articles/twitch-issues-statement-on-streamer-allegations-wh/1100-6478850/?utm_source=gamefaqs&utm_medium=partner&utm_content=news_module&utm_campaign=homepage | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25354 Posts
On June 24 2020 08:22 AttackZerg wrote: I do not like covert black balling or witch trials or red scares either. We are not advanced enough to be at a judge and jury point. Right now, we are all collectively taking in new information, no knives sharpened, no guns load. Just people sharing stories. When actions are taken against these people, then is the time to decide for yourself if you think they are just or not. Whether people are credible or not. Nobody other then the people involved know the imperical truth. Don't be shocked thou, when the damn bursts ... IF Rapid or any of these other people have done things ... then when the damn bursts, we will most likely hear stories from more then one person. People who do this stuff, rarely ever do it once. Right now, humanity demands reading the stories caring if someone is hurting people. Nobody is required to believe anyone. Not an attack but ask yourself this, How many people would it take to change your mind about someone? This is a private answer, but you need to have a gauge. Do you need video proof, chat, 100 people, voice proof, a confession, a witness..... it is important to have a gauge for what proof would look like to you. Indeed. Not equivalent levels of behaviour but how was Bill Cosby disgraced? It wasn’t one person with time stamped chat logs and video evidence, it was many, many women, who didn’t know each other having extremely consistent stories about the man that came out when the floodgates were breached | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23235 Posts
Well people should stop divinding themselves to black white, young, old, man, woman, hemale, shemale or whatever da fak they named themselves. Every life matters, every feeling does too. And if we don't stop the seperation things will get messy. and this: On June 24 2020 08:12 9-BiT wrote: why does the depth of soyboys cultural knowledge begin and end with marvel/harry potter references? is this the only lens through which you can understand the world? Are demonstrative of an overlapping community built around problematic sentiments. Sad to hear specific stories, but they are clearly necessary for some, as despite them many still question the validity/sincerity of what can only be the tip of a much larger iceberg surfacing all over the US and world. I don't think it's news to anyone on TL that sexism and racism (and the harm/abuse that comes with it) is rampant in gaming and beyond, especially in the US. My thought on all this coming to the surface for many people is that individuals don't commit these acts in isolation but as part of a community (or several) and imo it's a community's responsibility to address not only various individuals behavior but the larger cultural and systemic issues that both allow it to happen and for the various actors and enablers to survive/thrive, often at their victims expense. Making it about the drama of accountability and a redemption arc (rather than the substance of it) based on individuals (even if they specifically are why this hits home for you) neglects the underlying issues which perpetuate the situation which produces the reprehensible individual behavior in the first place imo. | ||
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