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On July 21 2020 23:56 Wombat_NI wrote: Perhaps Atira does donate 150 dollars to herself via a smurf purporting to be Avilo and break down crying and end a day’s streaming. I’d hazard a guess with a high degree of certainty that she does not.
Aren't people on both "sides" in this dispute monetizing their content? if that's the case its hard to believe anything from either side with any degree of certainty because both sides are chasing clicks, views, and subscriber donations rather than the truth.
On July 21 2020 23:09 HomeWorld wrote: After reading this thread, I'm under the impression that we are back in the darkest human age. Too much hate for a person that can't even (isn't allowed anymore to) defend himself.
Jesus Christ he has no platforms because he’s behaved abominably over years. And I mean literally years.
Well I mean he still has Twitter and YouTube going, and he does continue to try, most of us just don’t believe him.
If we’re going to do the ‘two sides of the story’ thing.
Atira - Avilo is harassing me over a continued period. Avilo - Atira is a snake who lied about it and smeared my name.
What is observable in the public domain is Avilo continues to try and interact with this person that he says is manipulative and horrible. Evading blocks and bans. Showing up at the same events she is at etc.
I don’t think one needs the deduction skills of Sherlock Holmes here.
On July 21 2020 23:56 Wombat_NI wrote: Perhaps Atira does donate 150 dollars to herself via a smurf purporting to be Avilo and break down crying and end a day’s streaming. I’d hazard a guess with a high degree of certainty that she does not.
Aren't people on both "sides" in this dispute monetizing their content? if that's the case its hard to believe anything from either side with any degree of certainty because both sides are chasing clicks, views, and subscriber donations rather than the truth.
It wouldn’t necessarily preclude being honest.
Maybe there’s a niche, I don’t know. Avilo yes people clearly tuned in to watch a train wreck, I’m not sure what appeal there is to have another streamer (who btw has tried to put distance continually) dealing with it second hand.
On July 21 2020 23:56 Wombat_NI wrote: Perhaps Atira does donate 150 dollars to herself via a smurf purporting to be Avilo and break down crying and end a day’s streaming. I’d hazard a guess with a high degree of certainty that she does not.
Aren't people on both "sides" in this dispute monetizing their content? if that's the case its hard to believe anything from either side with any degree of certainty because both sides are chasing clicks, views, and subscriber donations rather than the truth.
No they are not, both "sides" are not equal and it is not close.
so you know for certain there are zero anti-Avilo discord channels taking in donation money? how do you know this?
On July 21 2020 23:56 Wombat_NI wrote: Perhaps Atira does donate 150 dollars to herself via a smurf purporting to be Avilo and break down crying and end a day’s streaming. I’d hazard a guess with a high degree of certainty that she does not.
Aren't people on both "sides" in this dispute monetizing their content? if that's the case its hard to believe anything from either side with any degree of certainty because both sides are chasing clicks, views, and subscriber donations rather than the truth.
It wouldn’t necessarily preclude being honest.
Maybe there’s a niche, I don’t know. Avilo yes people clearly tuned in to watch a train wreck, I’m not sure what appeal there is to have another streamer (who btw has tried to put distance continually) dealing with it second hand.
true, however, money being a factor clouds things enough that it requires deeper investigation.
Isnt it a simple two people really liked each other - one of them decided to quit the relationship (apparently in a bad way?) and the other not accepting it and then starting really bad behaviour
On July 22 2020 00:34 sharkie wrote: Whats with all the money suspicions now?
Avilo accepts donations and has paid subscriptions. As far as I know this is his prime source of income. Therefore, if he has a rage fit on screen he can turn that into money. In fact, both sides can.
if this guy has a Discord channel he can request donations to make more stuff like this...
I'm sure some # of anti-Avilo people would like more content like this and find it hilarious.
So its hard to know what is genuine and what is for entertainment purposes.
I'm sure someone gets their share of kicks by pretending to be harassed and asking repeatedly to be left alone, all as just an act.
This "I just think we need more investigation" is nonsense. Money is not a sufficient motivator for someone to subject themselves to psychological abuse. Especially not the kind of money the average person gets off of YouTube these days, lol.
On July 21 2020 04:17 TelecoM wrote: I may grab a bag of popcorn for this 41 page Avilo explanation, this has got to be good. I wish someone would read it / summarize it in a video in a humorous way instead. =P
No they are not, both "sides" are not equal and it is not close.
Everyone needs to stop with the blaming Atira. Avilo had umpteen chances to stop and never did. In fact he bragged about it.
The guy needs actual mental help and being on a streaming service, or the message board or anywhere is clearly not helping him out.
He needs to be off of them because he is hurting others and getting worse. It is up to him now to first stop! And second to get help. If he can't do the first then it is likely that the police will have to do it for him.
On July 22 2020 00:19 HomeWorld wrote: I've been watching,and interacting, for so many years. I'm quite ashamed about what TL community has become.
Then maybe you need to find a better place for yourself. I'm proud of how we have, for the most part, grown as a community. Not supporting someone like Avilo is part of that growth.
You're not wrong when you say the guy needs actual mental help.
He basically streamed his life which was SC2, somehow a personal relationship got mixed up with it because of the nature of his lifestyle. I'm willing to bet people in the community used this in a way to attack him which is kind of shitty when you think about it. If the guy needs mental help like youre saying, maybe you should also be advocating that people just leave the guy alone??
The way he reacted to rejection shows that he has no real idea about how relationships work. Normally this wouldnt effect a persons job but in this case it has which isn't completely fair, even if he is an unlikeable prick.
I'm seeing two commonalities in all these defenses of the mech g0d:
1. atira used avilo to get viewers/subs. 2. Completely ignore the abusive call me Sir I am your master you better tell me you love me every morning hey I'm masturbating while we're talking manipulative and vile stuff.
The first is irrelevant and the second torpedoes anything else they have to say.
Also just lol that guy saying avilo had him photoshop screenshots. Avilo's discord members were never his friends, they loved ragging on him, egging him on in his delusions, provoking him for the lulz. And I have no doubt he did ask people there to help him in his delusional crusade to defend himself against reality and they happily did so, while at the same time they were laughing at him behind his back.
Definitely T A C T I C A L G E N I U S behavior. He's developmentally stunted socially and sexually and what he needs is intensive therapy, starting with inpatient. Yes, he should be committed. At least long enough to do a real, full evaluation. He needs help or his life is going to continue be a spiral of petty crime and waste, possibly ending in something worse.
On July 22 2020 00:12 RandomPlayer416 wrote: I was thinking about this a bit more.
Atira said she "had heard about Avilo and what he is known for but didn't pass judgement on it because she never saw that behaviour on stream." Now this I have a really hard time believing. I used to watch Avilo's stream because at times he was the only terran player and he was almost always being toxic in some way. Nothing he ever said was funny or interesting. He is not an attractive person, he was not and is not liked by the community at any point during his "Sc2 career". All of this leads me to believe she saw him as an easy target and used him to get her name out in circulation.
Lets be real, she is a gold/plat level player. Why would any fan of starcraft want to tune in and watch that? Oh because shes kind of cute?? So she is attracting weak minded, desperate people who latch on to things and will do anything to try and maintain it. Thats who Avilo is and she knew it.
TL DR: -Avilo is socially awkward -Atira was unknown, became involved with avilo one way or another -Atira realizes she can use avilo's popularity to gain attention for herself. -Avilo can't handle rejection from real relationship, loses his mind -community involvement causes avilo to become paranoid and increases his outlandish behaviour -Atira exposes him, ruins his "SC2 Career" -Atira gains viewership, avilo gets banned.
I really dont think its fair what happened to him, eventhough the way he reacted to everything was his own fault. He probably saw Atira as the best he would ever do in a relationship and had a meltdown when he watched it slip away. Its kind of sad really. Trolls in the community probably played a part in this as well one way or another.
Avilo's career (twitch) was ruined without atira saying anything. He harassed another streamer on Twitch and got "indefinitely" banned.
On what way is this not fair? He even got a 1 week ban in February 2019 before the indefinite suspension in April of 2019.
The 1 week ban should have told him that he needs to stop. Twitch gave him multiple chances and went easy on him IMO until they were forced to ban him for good.
On July 22 2020 00:54 JimmiC wrote: This "both sides" argument is pathetic victim blaming and it needs to stop.
And the anti Avilo people do not want any content from him. We want him off line getting help. You are confusing us with his fans.
how can you speak for what all Anti-Avilo people want? I'd say some # of the Anti-Avilo people want to watch rage videos like the one I posted. This explains why it has 5,700+ views.
I am not victim blaming. i'd say the two individuals both have groups trying to screw them over. I'd say both individuals are victims. That said, it is hard to discern all the facts. This is why TL , DreamHack, and ESL taking so long to ban Avilo is a good thing. These orgs acknowledge they don't have all the facts every minute of the day. So people get lots of chances.
On July 22 2020 00:54 JimmiC wrote: This "both sides" argument is pathetic victim blaming and it needs to stop.
And the anti Avilo people do not want any content from him. We want him off line getting help. You are confusing us with his fans.
how can you speak for what all Anti-Avilo people want? I'd say some # of the Anti-Avilo people want to watch rage videos like the one I posted. This explains why it has 5,700+ views.
I am not victim blaming. i'd say the two individuals both have groups trying to screw them over. I'd say both individuals are victims. That said, it is hard to discern all the facts.
The problem is that she is a victim of Avilo, whereas Avilo is a victim of Avilo.
On July 22 2020 00:54 JimmiC wrote: This "both sides" argument is pathetic victim blaming and it needs to stop.
And the anti Avilo people do not want any content from him. We want him off line getting help. You are confusing us with his fans.
how can you speak for what all Anti-Avilo people want? I'd say some # of the Anti-Avilo people want to watch rage videos like the one I posted. This explains why it has 5,700+ views.
I am not victim blaming. i'd say the two individuals both have groups trying to screw them over. I'd say both individuals are victims. That said, it is hard to discern all the facts.
The problem is that she is a victim of Avilo, whereas Avilo is a victim of Avilo.
mmmm some seek out people with checkered histories and go after them knowing they can use their bad rep against them. That is what Avilo is a victim of. He is gonna have to cowboy the fuck up sooner or later.
IMO, Avilo deserves his ban. ESL, Dreamhack, TL taking their a long time to issue a final ban was the right way to go about things.
I'd say Avilo's best move is a change of scenery where no one knows who he is and he can start fresh. Kinda like when high school kids get a shot at a "new image" when they go off to university. Kinda like that.
On July 22 2020 00:54 JimmiC wrote: This "both sides" argument is pathetic victim blaming and it needs to stop.
And the anti Avilo people do not want any content from him. We want him off line getting help. You are confusing us with his fans.
how can you speak for what all Anti-Avilo people want? I'd say some # of the Anti-Avilo people want to watch rage videos like the one I posted. This explains why it has 5,700+ views.
I am not victim blaming. i'd say the two individuals both have groups trying to screw them over. I'd say both individuals are victims. That said, it is hard to discern all the facts.
The problem is that she is a victim of Avilo, whereas Avilo is a victim of Avilo.
mmmm some seek out people with checkered histories and go after them knowing they can use their bad rep against them. That is what Avilo is a victim of. He is gonna have to cowboy the fuck up sooner or later.
IMO, Avilo deserves his ban. ESL, Dreamhack, TL taking their a long time to issue a final ban was the right way to go about things.
I'd say Avilo's best move is a change of scenery where no one knows who he is and he can start fresh. Kinda like when high school kids get a shot at a "new image" when they go off to university. Kinda like that.
Hard to get a fresh start when googling your name brings up a kiwifarms thread...
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