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On July 21 2020 14:15 RandomPlayer416 wrote:
Okay I'm not sticking up for Avilo, he clearly has issues and his idea of a relationship between 2 people is pretty wacked out. But this girl is to blame as well. If you look at the screen shots Avilo posted, clearly she was playing with him or leading him on. Maybe not to a regular person but to someone as weird as Avilo, he would cling to the things she says and cherish the thought of fooling around with a woman.
This girl saying her mental health was deteriorating?? I call BS on that. Blocking someone takes literally 1 second on any platform. The fact she couldnt find a way to get this parasite out of her life is on her 100%.
Correct, but you're going to have a really hard time getting reasonable people to validate that point. It's just kinda how it works with unlikeable streamers.
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On July 21 2020 15:44 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2020 14:15 RandomPlayer416 wrote:
Okay I'm not sticking up for Avilo, he clearly has issues and his idea of a relationship between 2 people is pretty wacked out. But this girl is to blame as well. If you look at the screen shots Avilo posted, clearly she was playing with him or leading him on. Maybe not to a regular person but to someone as weird as Avilo, he would cling to the things she says and cherish the thought of fooling around with a woman.
This girl saying her mental health was deteriorating?? I call BS on that. Blocking someone takes literally 1 second on any platform. The fact she couldnt find a way to get this parasite out of her life is on her 100%. Correct, but you're going to have a really hard time getting reasonable people to validate that point. It's just kinda how it works with unlikeable streamers.
If I understand the case correctly Avilo can't take "NO" for an aswer. I can understand trying to change her mind about the first one, but 50th? C'mon.
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On July 21 2020 16:20 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2020 15:44 ProTech wrote:On July 21 2020 14:15 RandomPlayer416 wrote:
Okay I'm not sticking up for Avilo, he clearly has issues and his idea of a relationship between 2 people is pretty wacked out. But this girl is to blame as well. If you look at the screen shots Avilo posted, clearly she was playing with him or leading him on. Maybe not to a regular person but to someone as weird as Avilo, he would cling to the things she says and cherish the thought of fooling around with a woman.
This girl saying her mental health was deteriorating?? I call BS on that. Blocking someone takes literally 1 second on any platform. The fact she couldnt find a way to get this parasite out of her life is on her 100%. Correct, but you're going to have a really hard time getting reasonable people to validate that point. It's just kinda how it works with unlikeable streamers. If I understand the case correctly Avilo can't take "NO" for an aswer. I can understand trying to change her mind about the first one, but 50th? C'mon.
Bottom line is, if you look at the timeline and the imgurs you can clearly see that at some point in time Atira was obviously either 1) playing along, or 2) using avilo as a means to gain followers/viewers. She clearly was interested at some point.
It's mere speculation on my part, simply because I have no way to validate if the accounts shown in the imgur are actually her accounts or not.
Regardless, I don't think Avilo has anything to lie about, and I know for a fact that people will often times try to be in cahoots with a streamer in one way or another to use them for exposure.
What I don't like, is seeing forums like reddit and others who clearly don't read or look at the evidence presented and just dismiss it because they tuned into his stream for 5 minutes and instantly didn't like the person.
There is good evidence here that shows atira was either playing a long OR was actually trying to have a relationship with Avilo.
I think any reasonable person would simply block the user on social media if they truly wanted the "harassment" to stop.
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On July 21 2020 16:55 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2020 16:20 deacon.frost wrote:On July 21 2020 15:44 ProTech wrote:On July 21 2020 14:15 RandomPlayer416 wrote:
Okay I'm not sticking up for Avilo, he clearly has issues and his idea of a relationship between 2 people is pretty wacked out. But this girl is to blame as well. If you look at the screen shots Avilo posted, clearly she was playing with him or leading him on. Maybe not to a regular person but to someone as weird as Avilo, he would cling to the things she says and cherish the thought of fooling around with a woman.
This girl saying her mental health was deteriorating?? I call BS on that. Blocking someone takes literally 1 second on any platform. The fact she couldnt find a way to get this parasite out of her life is on her 100%. Correct, but you're going to have a really hard time getting reasonable people to validate that point. It's just kinda how it works with unlikeable streamers. If I understand the case correctly Avilo can't take "NO" for an aswer. I can understand trying to change her mind about the first one, but 50th? C'mon. Bottom line is, if you look at the timeline and the imgurs you can clearly see that at some point in time Atira was obviously either 1) playing along, or 2) using avilo as a means to gain followers/viewers. She clearly was interested at some point. It's mere speculation on my part, simply because I have no way to validate if the accounts shown in the imgur are actually her accounts or not. Regardless, I don't think Avilo has anything to lie about, and I know for a fact that people will often times try to be in cahoots with a streamer in one way or another to use them for exposure. What I don't like, is seeing forums like reddit and others who clearly don't read or look at the evidence presented and just dismiss it because they tuned into his stream for 5 minutes and instantly didn't like the person. There is good evidence here that shows atira was either playing a long OR was actually trying to have a relationship with Avilo. I think any reasonable person would simply block the user on social media if they truly wanted the "harassment" to stop.
Yah - people can say what they want about Avilo (I personally have never been able to stand anything about him) - but if you read any of what he posted that girl should receive equal treatment from the esports industry and court of public opinion. This is exactly why people don't take "me too" issues as seriously as they should - because you have psychos like this girl using it as a platform to fuck over somebody she had a change of heart about. It's probably moot though since such a large majority of the community is made up of sexually frustrated nerds who see an attractive girl and have a seizure. Twitch won't do shit - and everyone will continue on flaming avilo (which he deserves - but not for this).
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On July 21 2020 18:13 DomeGetta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2020 16:55 ProTech wrote:On July 21 2020 16:20 deacon.frost wrote:On July 21 2020 15:44 ProTech wrote:On July 21 2020 14:15 RandomPlayer416 wrote:
Okay I'm not sticking up for Avilo, he clearly has issues and his idea of a relationship between 2 people is pretty wacked out. But this girl is to blame as well. If you look at the screen shots Avilo posted, clearly she was playing with him or leading him on. Maybe not to a regular person but to someone as weird as Avilo, he would cling to the things she says and cherish the thought of fooling around with a woman.
This girl saying her mental health was deteriorating?? I call BS on that. Blocking someone takes literally 1 second on any platform. The fact she couldnt find a way to get this parasite out of her life is on her 100%. Correct, but you're going to have a really hard time getting reasonable people to validate that point. It's just kinda how it works with unlikeable streamers. If I understand the case correctly Avilo can't take "NO" for an aswer. I can understand trying to change her mind about the first one, but 50th? C'mon. Bottom line is, if you look at the timeline and the imgurs you can clearly see that at some point in time Atira was obviously either 1) playing along, or 2) using avilo as a means to gain followers/viewers. She clearly was interested at some point. It's mere speculation on my part, simply because I have no way to validate if the accounts shown in the imgur are actually her accounts or not. Regardless, I don't think Avilo has anything to lie about, and I know for a fact that people will often times try to be in cahoots with a streamer in one way or another to use them for exposure. What I don't like, is seeing forums like reddit and others who clearly don't read or look at the evidence presented and just dismiss it because they tuned into his stream for 5 minutes and instantly didn't like the person. There is good evidence here that shows atira was either playing a long OR was actually trying to have a relationship with Avilo. I think any reasonable person would simply block the user on social media if they truly wanted the "harassment" to stop. Yah - people can say what they want about Avilo (I personally have never been able to stand anything about him) - but if you read any of what he posted that girl should receive equal treatment from the esports industry and court of public opinion. This is exactly why people don't take "me too" issues as seriously as they should - because you have psychos like this girl using it as a platform to fuck over somebody she had a change of heart about. It's probably moot though since such a large majority of the community is made up of sexually frustrated nerds who see an attractive girl and have a seizure. Twitch won't do shit - and everyone will continue on flaming avilo (which he deserves - but not for this).
That kinda the problem IMO though. Twtich ended up banning his account, and gave him absolutely no way to tell the other side of the story aside from platforms where he's hated like TL or Reddit.
However, to say with conviction that she should be treated the same way is kind of a hard thing to do, because for all I know Avilo could be photo shopping and cropping images, I don't know how to validate the usernames in those imgurs.
In my mind its pretty likely that he isn't lying because he's probably already come to terms with the fact that even if the truth does get out, he'll probably not get unbanned from twitch.
I just don't see what he has to lose.
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Avilo faking evidence?
Anyway one thing I definitely agree with Atira about is avilo getting a job.
The guy needs to get a job that doesn't involve him having 'fans' (incredibly toxic fans). He needs a boss and a fucking routine and all that other stuff that crushes ego.
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So to play the devils advocate and trying to see this from the perspective that Avilo, being a known streamer who is also known for some... instability, which means he's ripe for someone to take advantage of this way and make accusations that most people will/want to believe... is there even any way he could clear his name, or will he just be judged per the word of a person and that's done with it?
The imgur chats are easy to fake (though that tweeting guy 2 posts up is obviously full of shit since why would you go out and say that when you've actually gone through of faking them, doesn't make sense.) but what other proof would he have to show unless he was recording things on audio that time? Chat logs are usually saved, so he could go back and find them (unlikely he saved all of these back then) but sadly for him they don't prove that much.
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I had previously contacted the police about Avilo and they said they were aware that he harassed another girl a few years ago but nothing really came of it.
The cops had told Avilo to leave me alone back in the winter time but nothing really came of that either.
I called the cops again in March because Avilo wouldn't stop emailing me and kept demanding I talk to him and he said he will never ever stop.
I told the police about the recorded audio and handed it over to them.
This is very strange to me. There's lots of screenshotted conversations (which would be easily faked as i said in my previous post) but there was no effort to prove this interaction with the police. Not that a police report proves any guilt on his part, but it'd make this part make more sense.
Isn't it weird that the police would talk about a prior case casually like that? I have a hard time imagining that they'd go like "oh that guy, some years ago he did just that but we weren't arsed to do anything about it". Unless both of them are from a state of a handful of people, it'd be unlikely that would be something they'd recall, and I find it even more unlikely they'd go into some database, find that out and share it with her. Maybe US police work like that?
Avilo was brought into the police station for an interview and was told to bring with him any evidence that he wasn't harassing me
Also very weird. He was brought in to prove a negative?
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the police thing is legit - i remember someone posting a link to the official public record of the court case when it happened, although i don't feel like looking for it
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On July 21 2020 19:52 -NegativeZero- wrote:
the police thing is legit - i remember someone posting a link to the official public record of the court case when it happened, although i don't feel like looking for it
Some guy remembers some other guy posting the evidence, somewhere, so it's legit. Can't be bothered to find it though.
That summarizes the tone of this discussion that I have a problem with.
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I didn't do any fact checking but when Blizzard, Twitch and ESL (who all probably did) come to the same conclusion... nuff said
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Ofc this Atira girl pushed his buttons. But he didn't have any control over his actions? Stalking and harassing her for months after she said leave me alone?
Pretty easy to block his main. Good luck with the 1000s of alts he is creating to harass you now.
He is a monster but in his head he thinks he is right.
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On July 21 2020 20:56 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Ofc this Atira girl pushed his buttons. But he didn't have any control over his actions? Stalking and harassing her for months after she said leave me alone?
Pretty easy to block his main. Good luck with the 1000s of alts he is creating to harass you now.
He is a monster but in his head he thinks he is right.
I think it goes a little deeper than just pushing buttons. I have yet to see any evidence that he's creating alts to harass her, rather she's just letting him contact her under HER alts.
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On July 21 2020 21:48 ProTech wrote:
I have yet to see any evidence that he's creating alts to harass her, rather she's just letting him contact her under HER alts.
And seeing the hard-on the community has for this controversy, there's yet to be evidence showing that the alts are not made up by trolls fueling the fires.
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On July 21 2020 18:38 Jockmcplop wrote:Avilo faking evidence? https://twitter.com/avidiscorderino/status/1285308761993871360Anyway one thing I definitely agree with Atira about is avilo getting a job. The guy needs to get a job that doesn't involve him having 'fans' (incredibly toxic fans). He needs a boss and a fucking routine and all that other stuff that crushes ego.
I'm confuse, there's a guy out there who photoshoped discord post of a fake conversation between two persons, including sexual talk, and is now somehow surprise when it's used 
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