Starcraft 2 shouldn't have medics - Page 4

On July 07 2007 10:59 Klockan3 wrote:

Then why are you acting so stupid about the medic subject?

Removing the medic will only reduce the micro for marines to the level of the micro for zealots and goons. I nowere talk about removing micro for lowtier units totally, just that lowtier units should generally be lowmicro units such as those of toss/zerg.(Yes they are low micro units compared to templars/other casters, drops and so on)


No, the races should be diverse, but the skill requirement for all of them must be the same or they become unalanced. Having one side with micro heavy starting units is bound to create imbalance in either lowend or highend games.(But in starcraft it didnt matter in lowend, since all lowend players played money maps were terran can turtle)

There is a few things you cant add for diversity really, and with a real ladder they need to have the game quite balanced for all skill levels, but ofcourse highest level comes first.

On July 07 2007 17:50 Frits wrote:
I doubt they'll actually leave medics out but anyways. If they choose to do so I'd be pretty disappointed, instead of having a few marine groups you'd have to make a shitload and they'd be worthless after stimming 3 times. I don't think they'd be very viable anymore as units later game.

Also in the hands of a very good player a m&m group can last forever while without medics they'd be useless after a few stims, which closes a gap between skilled and lesser players. Not a good thing imo.

On July 07 2007 18:00 CapO wrote:
without medics, ezier micro

On July 07 2007 18:04 Jyvblamo wrote:


Who says stim packs will be in SC2?

On July 07 2007 16:28 lololol wrote:


There weren't any stimpacked marines in the demo!1! I'm wondering how didn't half the forum conclude there won't be stimpack, when there was topics like there won't be any supply depots and crap like that, just because there were none in the demo.

Btw, I wouldn't mind if there was no stimpack, without medics the enemy just runs and you waste hp and you still need it every battle to be more effective and with medics you just spam it(such a spell would be autocast in w3).

On July 07 2007 18:04 Jyvblamo wrote:


Who says stim packs will be in SC2?

On July 07 2007 10:59 Klockan3 wrote:

Then why are you acting so stupid about the medic subject?

Removing the medic will only reduce the micro for marines to the level of the micro for zealots and goons. I nowere talk about removing micro for lowtier units totally, just that lowtier units should generally be lowmicro units such as those of toss/zerg.(Yes they are low micro units compared to templars/other casters, drops and so on)


No, the races should be diverse, but the skill requirement for all of them must be the same or they become unalanced. Having one side with micro heavy starting units is bound to create imbalance in either lowend or highend games.(But in starcraft it didnt matter in lowend, since all lowend players played money maps were terran can turtle)

There is a few things you cant add for diversity really, and with a real ladder they need to have the game quite balanced for all skill levels, but ofcourse highest level comes first.

On July 07 2007 17:02 Blacklizard wrote:


I could be convinced that medics should stay out of SC2. Some things I like about them, some things I dislike.

I\'d be willing to say the medic+marine drop vs Zerg is borderline broken in BW. I guess it depends on the map, but even if the zerg is way ahead, it\'s hard to spare lurkers for every expansion just to stop that marine drop. And it\'s often hard to intercept with scourge (again, depends on map). And like you say, sunkens dont really do much vs them. Well, I\'m fairly sure that\'s why they already have dropships in SC2 set to 4 marines max. That is probably much closer to the damage potential of other race drops/cost/effort. Somebody is going to say High Temp drops are too good. High templar drops are pretty darn good, but those are low count, high cost units with mana... not the same thing as MnM that you have been producing since the second minute of the game. Also, High Temps can\'t take out towers or other buildings in a blink of an eye. And look at the cost... those gas costs alone distinctly limit the timing of high templar drops.

I think if Mutas or the threat of mutas weren\'t so powerful, T would really be too good against Z just due to medics.

The idea of medics and marines countering certain zerg units in SC1 is very nice, but I don\'t like the snowball effect if terran gets a small advantage. Basically, if you see terran get a tiny advantage on zerg, it could be game in the next moment. I think if you see Zerg get a tiny advantage on terran, zerg may win 10 minutes later if he doesnt make any mistakes or get dropped on.

Seriously, watch the pro games and watch for that flip when terran wins a battle that looks like a minor win, and next thing you know Zerg can\'t defend the push and boom, gg. I think one big reason Savior is so good against terran is he knows when the avoid a bad fight.

And look at when a zerg has obviously defeated a terran\'s defense and starts making his way into his nat. Nine times out of ten the game is still close to 50/50 outcome... and if the zerg presses too far at the wrong time he will lose.

Funny thing is, the same thing happens with P v T in early or mid game. Maybe late game too. Terran is the race of 2nd chances/9 lives due to superior defense, siege tanks (anti-static d), and snowball effect. Z and P have to stay ahead on money to win. It\'s this desperate need to stay ahead in money that drives pros like Stork to die b/c he FE\'s three times in a row to an aggressive terran. I wonder what ppl would say if it were Terran who always had to stay 1 or 2 expos ahead of the other races to win. Would it still be fair? Would people learn new builds that would \"work\" in those circumstances- impossible to answer b/c Terran would have to be vastly different, but just think about what if.

Now don\'t get me wrong... the balance is very close between all the races in BW. But the more I watch the pros, the more things become clear about that Terran snowball effect and the 9 lives opportunities. This has got to be one of the reasons why so many pros gravitate toward terran.

On July 07 2007 18:16 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Auto-cast stim? That would.. suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. I mean seriously, enemy runs in 1 zergling, all your marines stim.
Enemy runs in another zergling.

-_-
No thank you.

On July 07 2007 22:27 lololol wrote:


Wow, you're going to lose like 30 medic energy, because a few marines stimmed, how crippling! If he sacrifices his whole army that way each time waiting for stim to wear off he'll be able to suck your medics dry in only 10 minutes!!!1! Actually I have a better idea for the autocast implementation -> it will stim as long as marines have more than 10 hp no matter are there enemies around or not!

On July 07 2007 22:27 lololol wrote:


Wow, you're going to lose like 30 medic energy, because a few marines stimmed, how crippling! If he sacrifices his whole army that way each time waiting for stim to wear off he'll be able to suck your medics dry in only 10 minutes!!!1! Actually I have a better idea for the autocast implementation -> it will stim as long as marines have more than 10 hp no matter are there enemies around or not!

On July 08 2007 04:42 FrozenArbiter wrote:

Lol have you ever played terran? Medics run out waaaaay faster than you think (not if they have like 200 mana of course but most of the time you dont have 200 mana medics ..).