Starcraft 2 shouldn't have medics

On July 06 2007 20:23 FrozenArbiter wrote:
I'm pretty sure the pros always use them to wall their marines off from ultralisks late game :O

On July 06 2007 20:29 FrozenArbiter wrote:
I don't understand your last argument at all.

On July 06 2007 20:40 funKie wrote:
All the sex pictures that we all have made through the years of StarCraft have been some random unit and a medic.

Taking them out, is like taking out porn. IT IS NOT COOL.

<3 Medics. bye.

On July 06 2007 21:37 FatRine wrote:
marine+medic is a very cool combination that shouldn't be removed, it's one of the things that makes terran what it is imo..

On July 06 2007 19:56 gravity wrote:
I was thinking about what we've seen so far for Terran and we've seen reapers and marines but so far not medics. That doesn't mean they aren't in but I actually think it would be a good idea to leave them out. Medics were mainly added to help Terran against Zerg, but they aren't actually very interesting - they're basically like a walking permanent buff for marines and don't do much by themselves, and they even take a major decision away by making it so that stimpack should always be on in combat rather than only using it when it's most effective. They can add some cute micro here and there and you have to make sure to keep the right med-rine balance, but overall I think the make the game less interesting rather than more. If TvZ can be balanced by other means in SC2, such as the marine shield upgrade and new, currently unknown, T units, I think leaving medics out would be a wise choice.

I don't really expect this though since Blizzard has been pretty conservative so far in keeping in every major P unit or a close analogue.

On July 06 2007 20:32 gravity wrote:

I'm saying medics are one of the more (retrospectively) "Warcraft 3ish" units in BW, because they're pure buff units which is more of a WC3ish type thing. That's not inherently bad, I was just pointing it out. I'm sure that even if they did remove medics there would still be plenty of infantry micro going on, especially if they make T infantry more viable vs. P (which they are probably planning to given the introduction of Immortals).

At any rate having medics definitely makes stim a much less exciting ability than it could be. If you can't easily heal, using stim becomes a real commitment. In terms of watching pro-games, it would be like "holy crap, he used stim, gogogo, don't waste it". As opposed to "ok, battle started, stim noise plays once again, marines attack at 'normal' (ie fast) speed".

On July 07 2007 01:16 FroZZoR wrote:
medics fucking suck
they don't really do anything other than balance the game, and could be replaced by a unit that actually fights

I suppose defilers are just buff units for zerglings and should be taken out too?

On July 07 2007 08:42 Klockan3 wrote:
There will most likely be some way to heal your marines, but i would not count on a strong combat heal like medics will be in the game, especially now that marines is stronger than before wich means that they wont necesarily need medics to be viable.

Out of combat heal means that you can use stim in battles, but not all of the time and at a cost. And as many have said, medics are just a bandaid to fix terrans earlygame and general lack of open combat strength.

Lastly mnm is extremely strong when microed, while theyre pretty weak when not, wich is the main reason blizzard wont have them in the same form again. Basic units shouldnt be micro heavy units, if we follow blizzards own philosophy, the later in the game you get the harder the micro should get also meaning that a new player should be able to hold of a pro the first minutes since the game is easy then, but the longer it takes the more obvious the skill difference gets.

(With micro heavy, then i mean that the difference between not microing and microing is extreme, like for casters)


If defilers were tier 1, cheap and autocasted miniswarms on zerglings and ultras only then you could have a point. As it is now defilers arent frontline units, they are easily killed for their cost, theyre hightier and have expensive but gamechanging spells, just like a caster should be.

If we upped the price and tech on medics, made all of its spells much more powerfull, removed autocast on heal but made it aoe and it heals infantry to full for maybe 75 mana, made blind aoe, and made restore aoe, then i could see the unit staying as a caster unit, but in the current form as moving wall addons to marines they are quite dumb and makes the marines counter to many things.

On July 07 2007 09:41 FrozenArbiter wrote:

This is COMPLETE and UTTER bullshit, if I'm 10 times better than my opponent he should die to my first attack, not artifically live on because there's no micro..

It makes the marines the backbone of TvZ, nothing else -_-
Remove dragoons = fine.
Make the siege tank barely useable vs the new goons due to some strange shield = fine.
Remove arbiter = fine.
Remove medic = NOT FINE.

On July 07 2007 10:06 Klockan3 wrote:

Tell that to zerg and toss players, who have low micro starting units.

Why not? Just beacuse you play terran and is in love with the medic that creates warcraft like micro?

On July 07 2007 10:14 A3iL3r0n wrote:



Have you ever played BW? The Zerg and Protoss both have early counters for Terran MM. One of them makes sunkens. The other one has the threat of oh let's see, DT, Reaver, HT, or good micro with ranged goons.

FA plays Toss btw.

if ls was still around, this would probably be in the running for stupid post of the week.

SC1 would more feel WC3-ish if high HP unit like Protoss has them where people just "watch" zealot & medic do their stuff.

On July 07 2007 10:47 FrozenArbiter wrote:
I play protoss. If I'm 10 times better than my opponent he dies in my first attack.

The fact that the marine micro is unique from the other units is good, it's not supposed to be uniform across the board, different races have different amounts of micro at different phases.

On July 06 2007 20:23 FrozenArbiter wrote:
I\'m pretty sure the pros always use them to wall their marines off from ultralisks late game :O

On July 07 2007 10:59 Klockan3 wrote:

Then why are you acting so stupid about the medic subject?

Removing the medic will only reduce the micro for marines to the level of the micro for zealots and goons. I nowere talk about removing micro for lowtier units totally, just that lowtier units should generally be lowmicro units such as those of toss/zerg.(Yes they are low micro units compared to templars/other casters, drops and so on)

On July 07 2007 11:05 FrozenArbiter wrote:

Where does it say marines have to be low micro? They are low micro units until you tech and get medics/stim, then they become high micro units. I like it this way and would be sad to see it changed. I don't want marines that can be used in every single matchup (well they should be useable like they are now but not the way, say, dragoons are), I like the way they are the main army in TvZ, part of an optional strategy TvP and barely ever used TvT.

Marine/Medic control is easily in the top 3 most fun and impressive things in SC and taking it out makes absolutely no sense :/

On July 07 2007 11:13 Klockan3 wrote:

But the stim/medic comes at the same tech as the other races second unit, aka its not late at all.

And i dont say that the medic have to be removed, just that i think that the possibility is high due to its role as a bandaid to terrans earlygame being redundant with new gameplay additions.

Zomg, i just joined, and therefore i have no experience at all and you all other know much more just beacuse you have posted more things than me!

And anyhow, your postcount aint that high either.

On July 07 2007 11:22 Tusk wrote:


Well, post count helps know what race FA plays. Don't be rude sir.

On July 07 2007 15:11 lololol wrote:
Who the hell said stimpack is going to be in SC2 at all???

On July 07 2007 15:20 FatRine wrote:


HOW CANT IT BE?!?!

it defines the marines, which defines the terran race. The sound.. oh the sound... it's one of the greatest feelings to stim your marines

yum yum

On July 06 2007 22:29 A3iL3r0n wrote:


Mmm no. Before medics, TvZ was a straight macro fest because marines were basically throw away units. Once the BW introduced medics there all sorts of different ways you could play because a group of marines and a couple of medics was actually a formidable force early on the in game. Also, have you ever dropped a group of 8 marines and no medics into a Zerg base? They just don\'t do that much damage unless you totally caught the Zerg with his pants down. With medics you can stim and run around, since this is much more dangerous than without medics, making drops actually viable even with a sunken colony defending the min line.

On July 07 2007 10:59 Klockan3 wrote:

Then why are you acting so stupid about the medic subject?

Removing the medic will only reduce the micro for marines to the level of the micro for zealots and goons. I nowere talk about removing micro for lowtier units totally, just that lowtier units should generally be lowmicro units such as those of toss/zerg.(Yes they are low micro units compared to templars/other casters, drops and so on)


No, the races should be diverse, but the skill requirement for all of them must be the same or they become unalanced. Having one side with micro heavy starting units is bound to create imbalance in either lowend or highend games.(But in starcraft it didnt matter in lowend, since all lowend players played money maps were terran can turtle)

There is a few things you cant add for diversity really, and with a real ladder they need to have the game quite balanced for all skill levels, but ofcourse highest level comes first.

On July 07 2007 17:50 Frits wrote:
I doubt they'll actually leave medics out but anyways. If they choose to do so I'd be pretty disappointed, instead of having a few marine groups you'd have to make a shitload and they'd be worthless after stimming 3 times. I don't think they'd be very viable anymore as units later game.

Also in the hands of a very good player a m&m group can last forever while without medics they'd be useless after a few stims, which closes a gap between skilled and lesser players. Not a good thing imo.

On July 07 2007 18:00 CapO wrote:
without medics, ezier micro

On July 07 2007 18:04 Jyvblamo wrote:


Who says stim packs will be in SC2?

On July 07 2007 16:28 lololol wrote:


There weren't any stimpacked marines in the demo!1! I'm wondering how didn't half the forum conclude there won't be stimpack, when there was topics like there won't be any supply depots and crap like that, just because there were none in the demo.

Btw, I wouldn't mind if there was no stimpack, without medics the enemy just runs and you waste hp and you still need it every battle to be more effective and with medics you just spam it(such a spell would be autocast in w3).

On July 07 2007 18:04 Jyvblamo wrote:


Who says stim packs will be in SC2?

On July 07 2007 10:59 Klockan3 wrote:

Then why are you acting so stupid about the medic subject?

Removing the medic will only reduce the micro for marines to the level of the micro for zealots and goons. I nowere talk about removing micro for lowtier units totally, just that lowtier units should generally be lowmicro units such as those of toss/zerg.(Yes they are low micro units compared to templars/other casters, drops and so on)


No, the races should be diverse, but the skill requirement for all of them must be the same or they become unalanced. Having one side with micro heavy starting units is bound to create imbalance in either lowend or highend games.(But in starcraft it didnt matter in lowend, since all lowend players played money maps were terran can turtle)

There is a few things you cant add for diversity really, and with a real ladder they need to have the game quite balanced for all skill levels, but ofcourse highest level comes first.

On July 07 2007 17:02 Blacklizard wrote:


I could be convinced that medics should stay out of SC2. Some things I like about them, some things I dislike.

I\'d be willing to say the medic+marine drop vs Zerg is borderline broken in BW. I guess it depends on the map, but even if the zerg is way ahead, it\'s hard to spare lurkers for every expansion just to stop that marine drop. And it\'s often hard to intercept with scourge (again, depends on map). And like you say, sunkens dont really do much vs them. Well, I\'m fairly sure that\'s why they already have dropships in SC2 set to 4 marines max. That is probably much closer to the damage potential of other race drops/cost/effort. Somebody is going to say High Temp drops are too good. High templar drops are pretty darn good, but those are low count, high cost units with mana... not the same thing as MnM that you have been producing since the second minute of the game. Also, High Temps can\'t take out towers or other buildings in a blink of an eye. And look at the cost... those gas costs alone distinctly limit the timing of high templar drops.

I think if Mutas or the threat of mutas weren\'t so powerful, T would really be too good against Z just due to medics.

The idea of medics and marines countering certain zerg units in SC1 is very nice, but I don\'t like the snowball effect if terran gets a small advantage. Basically, if you see terran get a tiny advantage on zerg, it could be game in the next moment. I think if you see Zerg get a tiny advantage on terran, zerg may win 10 minutes later if he doesnt make any mistakes or get dropped on.

Seriously, watch the pro games and watch for that flip when terran wins a battle that looks like a minor win, and next thing you know Zerg can\'t defend the push and boom, gg. I think one big reason Savior is so good against terran is he knows when the avoid a bad fight.

And look at when a zerg has obviously defeated a terran\'s defense and starts making his way into his nat. Nine times out of ten the game is still close to 50/50 outcome... and if the zerg presses too far at the wrong time he will lose.

Funny thing is, the same thing happens with P v T in early or mid game. Maybe late game too. Terran is the race of 2nd chances/9 lives due to superior defense, siege tanks (anti-static d), and snowball effect. Z and P have to stay ahead on money to win. It\'s this desperate need to stay ahead in money that drives pros like Stork to die b/c he FE\'s three times in a row to an aggressive terran. I wonder what ppl would say if it were Terran who always had to stay 1 or 2 expos ahead of the other races to win. Would it still be fair? Would people learn new builds that would \"work\" in those circumstances- impossible to answer b/c Terran would have to be vastly different, but just think about what if.

Now don\'t get me wrong... the balance is very close between all the races in BW. But the more I watch the pros, the more things become clear about that Terran snowball effect and the 9 lives opportunities. This has got to be one of the reasons why so many pros gravitate toward terran.

On July 07 2007 18:16 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Auto-cast stim? That would.. suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. I mean seriously, enemy runs in 1 zergling, all your marines stim.
Enemy runs in another zergling.

-_-
No thank you.

On July 07 2007 22:27 lololol wrote:


Wow, you're going to lose like 30 medic energy, because a few marines stimmed, how crippling! If he sacrifices his whole army that way each time waiting for stim to wear off he'll be able to suck your medics dry in only 10 minutes!!!1! Actually I have a better idea for the autocast implementation -> it will stim as long as marines have more than 10 hp no matter are there enemies around or not!

On July 07 2007 22:27 lololol wrote:


Wow, you're going to lose like 30 medic energy, because a few marines stimmed, how crippling! If he sacrifices his whole army that way each time waiting for stim to wear off he'll be able to suck your medics dry in only 10 minutes!!!1! Actually I have a better idea for the autocast implementation -> it will stim as long as marines have more than 10 hp no matter are there enemies around or not!

On July 08 2007 04:42 FrozenArbiter wrote:

Lol have you ever played terran? Medics run out waaaaay faster than you think (not if they have like 200 mana of course but most of the time you dont have 200 mana medics ..).

On July 08 2007 08:05 lololol wrote:
NO! NO! NO! NO! IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THAT:
YOU CANT TURN IT OFF
IT ACTIVATES NO MATTER ARE THERE ENEMIES AROUND OR NOT
IT CAN AND WILL AUTOMATICALLY KILL YOUR RINES
ACTUALLY IF YOU CAN THINK UP AN ABSOLUTELY IDIOTIC WAY TO IMPLEMENT IT, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THAT FOR FUCKING SURE!

Seriously, fucking read what I posted and stop acting like the most retarded thing you can come up with is gonna be implemented, instead of the best one they thought of. Not to mention there may be no stimpack in sc2, since it's dull and there's no thought or strategy or aiming needed in using it, if it's going to be in sc2, it will probably work in a different way, that actually requires strategy to use or it will be passive/autocast.

Btw, I wouldn't mind if there was no stimpack, without medics the enemy just runs and you waste hp and you still need it every battle to be more effective and with medics you just spam it(such a spell would be autocast in w3).

On July 08 2007 11:54 FrozenArbiter wrote:

Ok, I'm gonna make state this as simply as humanly possible:
Having stimpacks on autocast, regardless of wether you can turn it on or off, wether it activates when 1 zergling comes into your field of vision or 50, would suck.

No, no, wait.

Stimpack on autocast = bad. I don't care how you want to implement it, I don't want to even have to think about it. Why would you want to have stimpack on autocast!?

Stimpack is fine the way it is, don't fucking mess with the stimpacks. They can remove every god damn unit in the game, just keep the marines, the medics, and the lurkers - and keep them the same as in sc1, I'll be happy --;
Obvious exaggeration above but not by as much as one would think..

Here's what you wrote at first:



1) Yes, you need it every battle, so when you get plagued, or your medics run out of mana, you are shit out of luck! It's a fun, unique ability that adds a shitload of life to an otherwise dull unit, being able to use it often - but not all the time - is FUN.

2) No, medics do run out, if you spam it without thinking, it's bad.

Look, I apoligize for the tone, it's stupid to get upset over this (by me), but if there's one thing I don't want, it's stimpack on autocast --

On July 08 2007 13:19 FrozenArbiter wrote:
I wouldn't mind dragoons in SC2, but in my mind, as long as the stalker and the immortal can fire a similiar distance, I won't miss it toooooo badly ><

On July 08 2007 14:22 FatRine wrote:
anyone who think stimpack should be auto cast in any shape or form should be pooped upon i think

On July 07 2007 17:38 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:

How will removing the medic "reduce micro" for marines? What exactly is a "low micro" unit?

How will removing the medic "reduce micro" for marines?

Klockan3 I predict you won't last long here.

PS. i never said that the game should be balanced for noobs, read before you post you ignorant wanna be pro player. However the amounth of micro required to play the races shouldnt vary greatly in any parts of the game, you cant say that a micro heavy start is a trait fit for terran or any race really. This can be seen like only introducing smartcast and mult building select to zerg, wich would lessen the micro load on zerg players a ton making the games micro requirement hugely imbalanced factionvise.

On July 08 2007 15:07 FrozenArbiter wrote:

I disagree with this part strongly, having the factions play differently (and therefore require different skillsets) is a perfectly fine part of the game and, indeed, one of the reasons why the races in SC are so diverse.

As for your comments on zergling micro, ehm, properly microed zerglings will - by far - out perform zerglings that just 'get to the enemy and hit them'.

Replacing the medic with a hp uppgrade will make the marines work a bit more in line with every other unit but still being weak in the begining, and the healing could come from another unit with a weaker version as the post above me says.

On July 08 2007 14:22 FatRine wrote:
anyone who think stimpack should be auto cast in any shape or form should be pooped upon i think

On July 08 2007 16:04 FrozenArbiter wrote:Removing the possiblity of this happening in a sequel would, imo, be a strange choice indeed.

On July 08 2007 17:20 joeki wrote:


M&M in BW rocked. It could kill a far superior army of lurklings with correct micro and it looked great. One of the coolest things in BW no doubt. BW would suck without M&M.

I don't see how you automatically assume it will be the same in SC2 though. Seriously, we have over 10 new units only for protoss so far? It will be a different game. Understand that M&M are great in BW, but not automatically great for SC2. How do you know medics will fit in SC2? Healing is something BW lacks right now and I imagine we will se new stuff that will fit in more than medics. How do you know Marines with shield on-off button won't be as enjoyable to watch? (And yes that was an example, I have no clue if shields can be turned off manually.)

You said medics, marines and lurkers are the trademark of Starcraft. I agree. You could take any random 3 units from BW and you would get the same support from me and other hardcore bw-fans and you know it. All units in BW made BW superior to any other game. But this is a new game. A sequel, but still a new game. We will get other awesome micro moves hopefully. Just because you can't imagine something more starcraftish than M&M, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

On July 08 2007 19:11 Sadist wrote:
if they remove medics that will be homo, unless marines are suddenly better vs zealots and zerglings.

On July 08 2007 19:22 fight_or_flight wrote:

There is also the possibility of male medics.

On July 08 2007 19:25 Sadist wrote:
lol to the guy who said marine medic in a dropship is broken because you have to defend expos with a lurker and a sunken, you can drop 2 lurkers on a mineral line of a terran and it can be pretty much game over early game, dropships are relatively easy to deal with nowadays, and a lurker and 2 sunkens is nothing to pay for all that extra gas you are getting

some of you newer guys are lucky you dont play maps with cliffs anymore, shit used to be gameover when you got cliffed as p vs z or pvst or tvz

On July 09 2007 10:10 DTDominion wrote:
Plus, as FA has explained multiple times, M&M micro is synonymous with StarCraft, as well as being a major part of its appear. If it's changed beyond minor balance tweaks StarCraft II will not be a true sequel to StarCraft.

On July 09 2007 10:33 FrozenArbiter wrote:
I don't care if they rename it a "Field Surgeon" and give it fucking rollerblades, just as long as it's still essentially the medic we know and love.

On July 09 2007 10:33 FrozenArbiter wrote:


As long as their replacement for the medic is akin to the Stalker's replacement of the dragoon I wouldn't be too upset, IE I don't care if they rename it a "Field Surgeon" and give it fucking rollerblades, just as long as it's still essentially the medic we know and love.

On July 09 2007 11:03 joeki wrote:
In my opinion Dragoon was only iconic because it was used the most. It wasn't really interesting. It was used in all matchups on every map and was perhaps the best unit in the game.

On July 08 2007 09:38 caution.slip wrote:
you know in war3 all autocast abilities can be toggled on or off

so turn it off

On July 09 2007 16:14 FieryBalrog wrote:
One thing that was brought up as a good point that hasn't really been addressed:

I like medic/marine combo too, but

a) Its a little too obvious and gets used every single zerg matchup, wouldn't it be nice if it Terran had more 'backbone' unit options in this matchup? MnM is used the whole game through all the time.

b) medics remove all the tactical tradeoff of stimming, when it was designed in vanilla SC it wasn't with the view that "hey, feel free to stim any time, all the time". Now I know constantly spamming it nonstop will down your medics energy, but realistically, its constantly on in battle. And as someone said it just makes medics a huge walking permanent buff to marines, good for constant move/attack speed and health regen.

Also, its kind of sad that lurkers, supposedly the mid-game counter, are pretty damn hard to use against properly microed MnM (which becomes a ton easier with constant stim) but can't be microed themselves to much advantage.

For this reason I think TvZ is a little imbalanced at the medium skill levels, Zerg practically needs hive tech to compete with tier 1 terran units and a few tanks. Its not a big deal since its pretty even at the pro level, but it'd be nice if this was addressed also.

Just my $0.02

On July 09 2007 10:21 joeki wrote:


Okay, maybe I was wrong in my previous post in this topic. Are really Marines and medics more important to you guys than anything else? It sure seems so here, but I wonder...

Are you really sure you wouldn't say exactly the same thing if tanks didn't get siege mode? If vulture mines was taken away? If ghosts didn't have nukes? And that is just for terran!

I may very well be wrong, but if tanks was changed/deleted I'm pretty sure we would get just as many "tanks in siege mode are synonymous with Starcraft" as we get now with the medics.

On July 09 2007 20:53 A3iL3r0n wrote:


To address point B. Without medics, there is a very easy and nearly free counter to stimmed marines. It's called running away. Now the marines are at 75% health and fire normally again when your Zerg army returns. Yeah, that's real fucking fair. Have you ever played TvZ in vanilla SC? It's ridiculous. Muta/Ling rapes you at every turn. Then throw in Ultras and Swarm. Terran needed medics badly. Now, TvZ is one of the most balanced match-ups in BW.

On July 10 2007 03:48 DTDominion wrote:
Maybe trying to improve upon the best game ever is a waste of time? -_-

On July 10 2007 10:05 joeki wrote:


Well, that's exactly my point.

Their job is not to improve Brood War. Their job is to make Starcraft 2. A new game. Try to understand the difference. Your comment really fits in everything I wrote in my own thread. Your thinking about SC2 will make you disappointed no matter what.

On July 10 2007 14:33 omgbnetsux wrote:
I have an idea- How about medics that can go back in time to heal units, thus preventing death?!

On July 10 2007 14:27 DTDominion wrote:
StarCraft II has to be a sequel to the original StarCraft. Part of making a sequel is improving upon weaknesses in the original game, of which StarCraft has legendarily few. Because of this in order to be a new game, StarCraft II has to mainly focus on being different from the first game, as you said.

The problem is that for the most part, the different ideas being introduced for SC II are inferior to their counterparts in the original game. You can tell me I'll be disappointed no matter what, but I can just as easily and just as validly say a successful sequel to StarCraft is almost impossible no matter what.

On July 09 2007 20:53 A3iL3r0n wrote:


To address point B. Without medics, there is a very easy and nearly free counter to stimmed marines. It's called running away. Now the marines are at 75% health and fire normally again when your Zerg army returns. Yeah, that's real fucking fair. Have you ever played TvZ in vanilla SC? It's ridiculous. Muta/Ling rapes you at every turn. Then throw in Ultras and Swarm. Terran needed medics badly. Now, TvZ is one of the most balanced match-ups in BW.

On July 09 2007 20:53 A3iL3r0n wrote:


To address point B. Without medics, there is a very easy and nearly free counter to stimmed marines. It's called running away. Now the marines are at 75% health and fire normally again when your Zerg army returns. Yeah, that's real fucking fair. Have you ever played TvZ in vanilla SC? It's ridiculous. Muta/Ling rapes you at every turn. Then throw in Ultras and Swarm. Terran needed medics badly. Now, TvZ is one of the most balanced match-ups in BW.

On July 11 2007 09:29 Liquid`Drone wrote:
i also think this is very likely :p

however I also think it's kind of good. allows them to develop the expansion pack with the intention on improving everything that has shown itself as flawed through 1 year of gaming. it's like a beta test gone grand fucking scale, which eventually allows them to create better games than any other company.

On July 06 2007 21:20 useless wrote:
Yeah, like one Firebat + medics for 40+ kills? imba! Take both units out.

On July 10 2007 20:50 FatRine wrote:
I wouldn't be suprised if they removed Stimpack just cause it's a soldier taking a performance enchanching drug.

On July 13 2007 11:50 caution.slip wrote:
stimpacks dont even make sense, its the suit that does all the moving anyways

i always thought of it as the suit just went crazy and the marine inside the suit got worn down and thus lost life

On July 13 2007 04:58 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Come on, no way they are removing stim packs. Marines not running fast would be boring, and the whole 'staaaa-yeah' is iconic.

On July 13 2007 11:50 caution.slip wrote:
stimpacks dont even make sense, its the suit that does all the moving anyways

i always thought of it as the suit just went crazy and the marine inside the suit got worn down and thus lost life

On July 14 2007 07:53 Mammoth wrote:
The shield battery might be more useful now with the phase prism's abilities. You could warp in a few batteries quite easily (without needing a pylon), and along with a few phase cannons it could provide a useful outpost near an enemy base.

[edit] Come to think of it, with the better interface of SC2, shield batteries could auto-regen any units near them, which would certainly make them more useful.

On July 14 2007 01:14 lololol wrote:
Medical buildings are generally bad idea, just look at the shield battery ^^ It's good on paper, but it's used like never.

On July 14 2007 08:31 Mammoth wrote:
True, but shuttling a probe and building a pylon takes more time than flying a phase prism over and deploying the psi field, so the phase prism can really speed up the process, allowing you to build phase cannons immediately. Also, the phase prism will most likely act as a shuttle too, allowing you to instantly warp a probe to the place you want to build your outpost.

On July 14 2007 08:44 FrozenArbiter wrote:

I use it quite often, I hope it comes back AND I hope there's no autocast on it.

On July 14 2007 09:10 lololol wrote:


It will obviously be faster, but the problem is that forward outposts do not fit with the game pace, constantly changing contested areas, agressive play, and the likes, so it's not feasible in BW, but if it's buffed offensively in SC2, then it can become like offensive hatching in ZvP, which I doubt someone wants in SC2



The problem is, that you can have only of the two

On July 14 2007 09:28 Mammoth wrote:
Fair point. But couldn't you use an outpost to contain an opponent? Warp in some cannons below the enemy's ramp and prevent them getting out?

On July 14 2007 09:34 FrozenArbiter wrote:

Why?
Auto-cast on that type of building would be retarded, you want to target the units about to die or expensive units (archons, reavers) not have it wasted on a zealot being attacked by 1 zergling (for the most part) ;p

On July 14 2007 09:39 lololol wrote:
But the feasibilty of such things are generally bad for gameplay and often make the game boring and stagnant, it's just gay massing defensive structures right next to your enemy(if they are a few, they won't make that much of a difference anyway). For example, in wc3 offensive towering is wayyy too feasible and usually creates astoundingly bad games and the only good ones are where the other player manages to break out of the countainment.

On July 14 2007 16:03 Funchucks wrote:


The IGN interview worried me. The Blizzard rep seemed enthusiastic about the potential of phase cannons for offensive purposes.

Imagine building a chain of pylons, moving all of your cannons up to the front, then warping in another pylon within their protected zone, then moving them all forward again. It's a cannon push without building wasted cannons. Ew.

Add the Phase Prism for Double Ew.

On July 14 2007 17:34 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Well the phase prism works as a shuttle as well, it's basically a shuttle+pylon, so I mean the shuttle is for all intents and purposes still in the game.

On July 14 2007 17:20 DTDominion wrote:


This is actually a sweet idea if it's balanced well. It sucks to see the shuttle go, but if the phase prism can open up new possibilities which are equally interesting I'm all for it.

The Protoss Shuttle isn't synonymous with StarCraft the way the Terran Dropship is. I play Terran though so I might be biased.

On July 14 2007 17:54 Funchucks wrote:

Protoss are getting the Phase Prism. The Zerg are getting the Nydus Worm. I wonder if the Terrans are getting a beachhead option too. I'd kind of like to see them stuck with the old trusty dropship, but I'm also curious about what the Blizzard guys might have cooked up.