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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
January 24 2019 11:55 GMT
#41
It's frankly astonishing that there is still no public announcement about these things from Blizzard. One day away from GSL qualifiers and the rule changes start seeping out, but nobody knows what's what and it only adds to the confusion. Such incompetence is incredible.

If they really do force players to pick a region, it would definitely be more fair than now, but it could easily backfire because of the devaluation of Korean Starcraft as a product for advertisers, which could lead to its death -- especially if Blizzard is scaling down the financial support.

I still think the best option would be to end region lock and instead support Korean starcraft as the engine that propels all of starcraft forward. We can already see this potential from the fact that NoRegret's teamhouse is so popular, and so many foreigner wants to participate in the GSL.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-24 11:59:14
January 24 2019 11:58 GMT
#42
On January 24 2019 20:53 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2019 19:34 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 24 2019 16:26 Zaros wrote:
Terrible decision and I wouldn't be surprised if it unintentionally finishes off Korean SC2, the biggest viewership for GSL comes when a foreigner is in the tournament and it is still pretty hard for them to qualify. Instead of seeing Serral or Neeb now we get to see emotion or nightmare or DRGLing (if they even play anymore.)

I know its not "fair" that foreigners can play in both series before now but it is what worked for the scene and I can't see many if any giving WCS up for GSL (means no blizzcon most likely and a huge prize money drop)

Terrible decision - we might see up and comers now this is stupid.
Don't give them the chance to qualify THE KOREAN SCENE MUST DIE


And it didn't work for the scene, it only worked for elitist foreigner fanboys who don't care about koreans getting fucked over.

Ask DRGling or ByuL if the system worked


We don't really know the exact terms of this decision, so we'd better wait before speaking; only koreans allowed in GSL would be consistent with the region lock now that apparently even EU and NA have separate leagues.

In any of case, you should ask GSL's organizers if the audience was indeed better when there were foreigners in the competition; as for newcomers, there were more than a few in 2017 and it most likely wasn't the "army of foreigners" to make them resign but the extremely top heavy prize distribution.

*cough* the reason why Charoisaur mentioned DRGling is because he didn't qualify because of a foreigner *cough*

Ignore me, I'm just having a terrible terrible damage cough.
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Kaizor
Profile Joined May 2015
Singapore909 Posts
January 24 2019 12:15 GMT
#43
I think the main problem we should focus on here is not locking foreigners out of GSL, it's the lack of any official announcements from blizzard up till now.

This is totally unacceptable, considering that we have foreigners living in korea now that were under the impression that they were going to be able to compete in GSL.

Changes will always happen but the timing of it is completely ridiculous.

But after seeing what happen with Heroes e-sports, i guess this is how blizzard operates now.

This is not the Blizzard that i once loved. All good things come to an end, and no king rules forever. Hugely disappointed with all the bs that is coming from them recently.
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
January 24 2019 12:32 GMT
#44
On January 24 2019 20:58 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2019 20:53 Xain0n wrote:
On January 24 2019 19:34 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 24 2019 16:26 Zaros wrote:
Terrible decision and I wouldn't be surprised if it unintentionally finishes off Korean SC2, the biggest viewership for GSL comes when a foreigner is in the tournament and it is still pretty hard for them to qualify. Instead of seeing Serral or Neeb now we get to see emotion or nightmare or DRGLing (if they even play anymore.)

I know its not "fair" that foreigners can play in both series before now but it is what worked for the scene and I can't see many if any giving WCS up for GSL (means no blizzcon most likely and a huge prize money drop)

Terrible decision - we might see up and comers now this is stupid.
Don't give them the chance to qualify THE KOREAN SCENE MUST DIE


And it didn't work for the scene, it only worked for elitist foreigner fanboys who don't care about koreans getting fucked over.

Ask DRGling or ByuL if the system worked


We don't really know the exact terms of this decision, so we'd better wait before speaking; only koreans allowed in GSL would be consistent with the region lock now that apparently even EU and NA have separate leagues.

In any of case, you should ask GSL's organizers if the audience was indeed better when there were foreigners in the competition; as for newcomers, there were more than a few in 2017 and it most likely wasn't the "army of foreigners" to make them resign but the extremely top heavy prize distribution.

*cough* the reason why Charoisaur mentioned DRGling is because he didn't qualify because of a foreigner *cough*

Ignore me, I'm just having a terrible terrible damage cough.


Well it's not a surprise foreigner qualified most of the times at the expense of a korean, in GSL; DRGLing actually made it to the GSL once without any notable result, it's not like he was dominating online cups and minor competitions and foreigners didn't allow him to play on the most prestigious field every time.

Unlike top koreans in foreigner circuits back in HoTS, foreigners in GSL never were more than five and never went deeper than ro4; it's unrealistic to believe such an absymal presence outright killed all the promising young koreans.

That's not what we were discussing anyway; not having foreigners in GSL it's fair but it makes it less tasty to me.
On the other hand there are more chanches to see Prince and TOP/Kiwian advance so it isn't that bad.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-24 12:59:46
January 24 2019 12:49 GMT
#45
On January 24 2019 21:32 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2019 20:58 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 24 2019 20:53 Xain0n wrote:
On January 24 2019 19:34 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 24 2019 16:26 Zaros wrote:
Terrible decision and I wouldn't be surprised if it unintentionally finishes off Korean SC2, the biggest viewership for GSL comes when a foreigner is in the tournament and it is still pretty hard for them to qualify. Instead of seeing Serral or Neeb now we get to see emotion or nightmare or DRGLing (if they even play anymore.)

I know its not "fair" that foreigners can play in both series before now but it is what worked for the scene and I can't see many if any giving WCS up for GSL (means no blizzcon most likely and a huge prize money drop)

Terrible decision - we might see up and comers now this is stupid.
Don't give them the chance to qualify THE KOREAN SCENE MUST DIE


And it didn't work for the scene, it only worked for elitist foreigner fanboys who don't care about koreans getting fucked over.

Ask DRGling or ByuL if the system worked


We don't really know the exact terms of this decision, so we'd better wait before speaking; only koreans allowed in GSL would be consistent with the region lock now that apparently even EU and NA have separate leagues.

In any of case, you should ask GSL's organizers if the audience was indeed better when there were foreigners in the competition; as for newcomers, there were more than a few in 2017 and it most likely wasn't the "army of foreigners" to make them resign but the extremely top heavy prize distribution.

*cough* the reason why Charoisaur mentioned DRGling is because he didn't qualify because of a foreigner *cough*

Ignore me, I'm just having a terrible terrible damage cough.


Well it's not a surprise foreigner qualified most of the times at the expense of a korean, in GSL; DRGLing actually made it to the GSL once without any notable result, it's not like he was dominating online cups and minor competitions and foreigners didn't allow him to play on the most prestigious field every time.

Unlike top koreans in foreigner circuits back in HoTS, foreigners in GSL never were more than five and never went deeper than ro4; it's unrealistic to believe such an absymal presence outright killed all the promising young koreans.

That's not what we were discussing anyway; not having foreigners in GSL it's fair but it makes it less tasty to me.
On the other hand there are more chanches to see Prince and TOP/Kiwian advance so it isn't that bad.

5 foreigners means 5 more players to play against which makes the competition of the best region even more deadly to new & beginning players. I don't understand I have to explain this. If you're new you need to get to the level of getting money which means in Korea you have to compete against top Koreans AND AT HE SAME FUCKING TIME all the top foreigners - Serral.

Edit> It's the same reason why the WCS was locked in the past.

About the "viewership". GSL currently is in its worst time slot considering foreign audience. Wednesday 10:30 AM CET. Weeeee. The problem is most of their audience is at work or in bed(in case of the NA audience). Just admit it, SC2 audience is rather old. Saturday 6 AM CET(or w/e is the time for the NA audience day) means many Europeans are in bed.

If they want to treat the western audience, maybe, just maybe, consider better time slots than what do we have now. As of right now I cannot watch the streams as I am at work and then I am in bed but I would love to.

No matter whom they allow in the GSL I will NOT watch it because of the time slot.
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
January 24 2019 14:33 GMT
#46
On January 24 2019 21:49 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2019 21:32 Xain0n wrote:
On January 24 2019 20:58 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 24 2019 20:53 Xain0n wrote:
On January 24 2019 19:34 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 24 2019 16:26 Zaros wrote:
Terrible decision and I wouldn't be surprised if it unintentionally finishes off Korean SC2, the biggest viewership for GSL comes when a foreigner is in the tournament and it is still pretty hard for them to qualify. Instead of seeing Serral or Neeb now we get to see emotion or nightmare or DRGLing (if they even play anymore.)

I know its not "fair" that foreigners can play in both series before now but it is what worked for the scene and I can't see many if any giving WCS up for GSL (means no blizzcon most likely and a huge prize money drop)

Terrible decision - we might see up and comers now this is stupid.
Don't give them the chance to qualify THE KOREAN SCENE MUST DIE


And it didn't work for the scene, it only worked for elitist foreigner fanboys who don't care about koreans getting fucked over.

Ask DRGling or ByuL if the system worked


We don't really know the exact terms of this decision, so we'd better wait before speaking; only koreans allowed in GSL would be consistent with the region lock now that apparently even EU and NA have separate leagues.

In any of case, you should ask GSL's organizers if the audience was indeed better when there were foreigners in the competition; as for newcomers, there were more than a few in 2017 and it most likely wasn't the "army of foreigners" to make them resign but the extremely top heavy prize distribution.

*cough* the reason why Charoisaur mentioned DRGling is because he didn't qualify because of a foreigner *cough*

Ignore me, I'm just having a terrible terrible damage cough.


Well it's not a surprise foreigner qualified most of the times at the expense of a korean, in GSL; DRGLing actually made it to the GSL once without any notable result, it's not like he was dominating online cups and minor competitions and foreigners didn't allow him to play on the most prestigious field every time.

Unlike top koreans in foreigner circuits back in HoTS, foreigners in GSL never were more than five and never went deeper than ro4; it's unrealistic to believe such an absymal presence outright killed all the promising young koreans.

That's not what we were discussing anyway; not having foreigners in GSL it's fair but it makes it less tasty to me.
On the other hand there are more chanches to see Prince and TOP/Kiwian advance so it isn't that bad.

5 foreigners means 5 more players to play against which makes the competition of the best region even more deadly to new & beginning players. I don't understand I have to explain this. If you're new you need to get to the level of getting money which means in Korea you have to compete against top Koreans AND AT HE SAME FUCKING TIME all the top foreigners - Serral.

Edit> It's the same reason why the WCS was locked in the past.

About the "viewership". GSL currently is in its worst time slot considering foreign audience. Wednesday 10:30 AM CET. Weeeee. The problem is most of their audience is at work or in bed(in case of the NA audience). Just admit it, SC2 audience is rather old. Saturday 6 AM CET(or w/e is the time for the NA audience day) means many Europeans are in bed.

If they want to treat the western audience, maybe, just maybe, consider better time slots than what do we have now. As of right now I cannot watch the streams as I am at work and then I am in bed but I would love to.

No matter whom they allow in the GSL I will NOT watch it because of the time slot.


GSL's time slot is definitely not the best for western audience.

Locking GSL now has absolutely nothing to do with the region lock of WCS happened in the past; not only koreans in WCS were on average more in number than foreigners in GSL, they were dominating the tournaments while sometimes not even being the best players in Korea(Pigbaby, Duckdeok just to name a few)! I don't remember NoRegreT storming GSL upsetting all the best koreans…

Serral never tried to play GSL and a couple of some of the best foreigners(still inferior to the best koreans) shouldn't be able to stop new korean talents from emerging: it's not like Nightmare and co reached the semifinals after barely qualifying against hordes of foreigners. They didn't get to ro16 and, even if they had, they wouldn't have gained much money and no pro korean team would have offered them a contract.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
January 24 2019 14:49 GMT
#47
I don't understand why so many people support locking foreigners out GSL. Yeah, spite and revenge, the core values that should motivate everything, whoo hoo!
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Kalera
Profile Joined January 2018
United States338 Posts
January 24 2019 14:52 GMT
#48
On January 24 2019 23:49 opisska wrote:
I don't understand why so many people support locking foreigners out GSL. Yeah, spite and revenge, the core values that should motivate everything, whoo hoo!


I don't think non-Koreans should be locked out of GSL, but shouldn't they be subject to the same choice that Koreans face? Play in one scene or another. Anything else is incredibly unfair.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 24 2019 15:13 GMT
#49
I think it would be fair if foreigners had to choose, but a change like this should be announced at leat 3 months before the first GSL qualifiers.

But let's just wait for the official announcement.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
January 24 2019 15:41 GMT
#50
Correct me if I'm wrong but Sc2 is in its ninth year and probably some of the lasts. What's the point of blocking people from tournaments?
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
January 24 2019 16:07 GMT
#51
Good move, poorly executed. Better move - remove idiotic region lock and let Koreans take foreigner lunch money again - if they are able to beat Serral. Save the korean sc2 scene before its gone forever
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16024 Posts
January 24 2019 16:20 GMT
#52
On January 24 2019 23:33 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2019 21:49 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 24 2019 21:32 Xain0n wrote:
On January 24 2019 20:58 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 24 2019 20:53 Xain0n wrote:
On January 24 2019 19:34 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 24 2019 16:26 Zaros wrote:
Terrible decision and I wouldn't be surprised if it unintentionally finishes off Korean SC2, the biggest viewership for GSL comes when a foreigner is in the tournament and it is still pretty hard for them to qualify. Instead of seeing Serral or Neeb now we get to see emotion or nightmare or DRGLing (if they even play anymore.)

I know its not "fair" that foreigners can play in both series before now but it is what worked for the scene and I can't see many if any giving WCS up for GSL (means no blizzcon most likely and a huge prize money drop)

Terrible decision - we might see up and comers now this is stupid.
Don't give them the chance to qualify THE KOREAN SCENE MUST DIE


And it didn't work for the scene, it only worked for elitist foreigner fanboys who don't care about koreans getting fucked over.

Ask DRGling or ByuL if the system worked


We don't really know the exact terms of this decision, so we'd better wait before speaking; only koreans allowed in GSL would be consistent with the region lock now that apparently even EU and NA have separate leagues.

In any of case, you should ask GSL's organizers if the audience was indeed better when there were foreigners in the competition; as for newcomers, there were more than a few in 2017 and it most likely wasn't the "army of foreigners" to make them resign but the extremely top heavy prize distribution.

*cough* the reason why Charoisaur mentioned DRGling is because he didn't qualify because of a foreigner *cough*

Ignore me, I'm just having a terrible terrible damage cough.


Well it's not a surprise foreigner qualified most of the times at the expense of a korean, in GSL; DRGLing actually made it to the GSL once without any notable result, it's not like he was dominating online cups and minor competitions and foreigners didn't allow him to play on the most prestigious field every time.

Unlike top koreans in foreigner circuits back in HoTS, foreigners in GSL never were more than five and never went deeper than ro4; it's unrealistic to believe such an absymal presence outright killed all the promising young koreans.

That's not what we were discussing anyway; not having foreigners in GSL it's fair but it makes it less tasty to me.
On the other hand there are more chanches to see Prince and TOP/Kiwian advance so it isn't that bad.

5 foreigners means 5 more players to play against which makes the competition of the best region even more deadly to new & beginning players. I don't understand I have to explain this. If you're new you need to get to the level of getting money which means in Korea you have to compete against top Koreans AND AT HE SAME FUCKING TIME all the top foreigners - Serral.

Edit> It's the same reason why the WCS was locked in the past.

About the "viewership". GSL currently is in its worst time slot considering foreign audience. Wednesday 10:30 AM CET. Weeeee. The problem is most of their audience is at work or in bed(in case of the NA audience). Just admit it, SC2 audience is rather old. Saturday 6 AM CET(or w/e is the time for the NA audience day) means many Europeans are in bed.

If they want to treat the western audience, maybe, just maybe, consider better time slots than what do we have now. As of right now I cannot watch the streams as I am at work and then I am in bed but I would love to.

No matter whom they allow in the GSL I will NOT watch it because of the time slot.



Serral never tried to play GSL and a couple of some of the best foreigners(still inferior to the best koreans) shouldn't be able to stop new korean talents from emerging:


So korean up and comers should be able to somehow surpass the top foreigners in skill before being allowed to make money?
But when it was the other way around that foreigners had to beat top koreans for a high tournament finish it was somehow unfair?
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Elmonti
Profile Joined July 2018
Spain299 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-24 16:41:49
January 24 2019 16:39 GMT
#53
On January 25 2019 01:07 fishjie wrote:
Good move, poorly executed. Better move - remove idiotic region lock and let Koreans take foreigner lunch money again - if they are able to beat Serral. Save the korean sc2 scene before its gone forever


The korean SC2 scene is gonna die in 2-3 years no matter what, since it's a problem of SC2's low popularity, not about 2-3 pros getting GSL money (this pros wouldn't be young talents, but tier 3 koreans like Impact, Ragnarok, Creator, etc.).

Removing Region Lock would also destroy the foreigner scene, and preventing young talents (kids like Reynor, Clem, even Serral at the time) to grow. And the foreign scene is the one supporting the 90% of the game.

So choose: inequality or killing the game.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10102 Posts
January 24 2019 16:48 GMT
#54
Blizz must announce this type of changes asap! i cant believe it is almost the end of january and still we dont have the whole WCS schedule (Circuit and Korean)
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Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2633 Posts
January 24 2019 16:56 GMT
#55
On January 25 2019 01:39 Elmonti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2019 01:07 fishjie wrote:
Good move, poorly executed. Better move - remove idiotic region lock and let Koreans take foreigner lunch money again - if they are able to beat Serral. Save the korean sc2 scene before its gone forever


The korean SC2 scene is gonna die in 2-3 years no matter what, since it's a problem of SC2's low popularity, not about 2-3 pros getting GSL money (this pros wouldn't be young talents, but tier 3 koreans like Impact, Ragnarok, Creator, etc.).

Removing Region Lock would also destroy the foreigner scene, and preventing young talents (kids like Reynor, Clem, even Serral at the time) to grow. And the foreign scene is the one supporting the 90% of the game.

So choose: inequality or killing the game.

Dude, Reynor and Clem can easily hold their own against Koreans. Stop treating them like they're some amateur newby that needs help to survive. Reynor is easily top 5 foreigner and probably top 5 Zerg right now.
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Elmonti
Profile Joined July 2018
Spain299 Posts
January 24 2019 17:10 GMT
#56
On January 25 2019 01:56 Brutaxilos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2019 01:39 Elmonti wrote:
On January 25 2019 01:07 fishjie wrote:
Good move, poorly executed. Better move - remove idiotic region lock and let Koreans take foreigner lunch money again - if they are able to beat Serral. Save the korean sc2 scene before its gone forever


The korean SC2 scene is gonna die in 2-3 years no matter what, since it's a problem of SC2's low popularity, not about 2-3 pros getting GSL money (this pros wouldn't be young talents, but tier 3 koreans like Impact, Ragnarok, Creator, etc.).

Removing Region Lock would also destroy the foreigner scene, and preventing young talents (kids like Reynor, Clem, even Serral at the time) to grow. And the foreign scene is the one supporting the 90% of the game.

So choose: inequality or killing the game.

Dude, Reynor and Clem can easily hold their own against Koreans. Stop treating them like they're some amateur newby that needs help to survive. Reynor is easily top 5 foreigner and probably top 5 Zerg right now.


Reynor can, since he is probably the most promising young foreigner of all times. No other "young" talent can be even close to the top20 koreans right now (average results).
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2633 Posts
January 24 2019 17:21 GMT
#57
On January 25 2019 02:10 Elmonti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2019 01:56 Brutaxilos wrote:
On January 25 2019 01:39 Elmonti wrote:
On January 25 2019 01:07 fishjie wrote:
Good move, poorly executed. Better move - remove idiotic region lock and let Koreans take foreigner lunch money again - if they are able to beat Serral. Save the korean sc2 scene before its gone forever


The korean SC2 scene is gonna die in 2-3 years no matter what, since it's a problem of SC2's low popularity, not about 2-3 pros getting GSL money (this pros wouldn't be young talents, but tier 3 koreans like Impact, Ragnarok, Creator, etc.).

Removing Region Lock would also destroy the foreigner scene, and preventing young talents (kids like Reynor, Clem, even Serral at the time) to grow. And the foreign scene is the one supporting the 90% of the game.

So choose: inequality or killing the game.

Dude, Reynor and Clem can easily hold their own against Koreans. Stop treating them like they're some amateur newby that needs help to survive. Reynor is easily top 5 foreigner and probably top 5 Zerg right now.


Reynor can, since he is probably the most promising young foreigner of all times. No other "young" talent can be even close to the top20 koreans right now (average results).

Alright then, why does Clem deserve support when someone like DRGLing doesn't? I still don't buy the argument that "foreign money" is somehow supporting the scene. There is no foreign money, its Starcraft money. When you buy a Warchest, it doesn't matter where the players purchasing are from, it goes to the scene all together.
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DreamlnCode
Profile Joined December 2018
United Kingdom77 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-24 18:11:28
January 24 2019 18:09 GMT
#58
To be honest this was a long time coming and surprised it hasn't happened sooner.

IMO region locking in an E-sports game is ridiculous, And now it's happening at the both sides of the spectrum. An eye for an eye i guess. Competition should be based on raw skill, not the location on where your mother dropped your fetus.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-24 18:12:40
January 24 2019 18:12 GMT
#59
On January 25 2019 01:20 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2019 23:33 Xain0n wrote:
On January 24 2019 21:49 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 24 2019 21:32 Xain0n wrote:
On January 24 2019 20:58 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 24 2019 20:53 Xain0n wrote:
On January 24 2019 19:34 Charoisaur wrote:
On January 24 2019 16:26 Zaros wrote:
Terrible decision and I wouldn't be surprised if it unintentionally finishes off Korean SC2, the biggest viewership for GSL comes when a foreigner is in the tournament and it is still pretty hard for them to qualify. Instead of seeing Serral or Neeb now we get to see emotion or nightmare or DRGLing (if they even play anymore.)

I know its not "fair" that foreigners can play in both series before now but it is what worked for the scene and I can't see many if any giving WCS up for GSL (means no blizzcon most likely and a huge prize money drop)

Terrible decision - we might see up and comers now this is stupid.
Don't give them the chance to qualify THE KOREAN SCENE MUST DIE


And it didn't work for the scene, it only worked for elitist foreigner fanboys who don't care about koreans getting fucked over.

Ask DRGling or ByuL if the system worked


We don't really know the exact terms of this decision, so we'd better wait before speaking; only koreans allowed in GSL would be consistent with the region lock now that apparently even EU and NA have separate leagues.

In any of case, you should ask GSL's organizers if the audience was indeed better when there were foreigners in the competition; as for newcomers, there were more than a few in 2017 and it most likely wasn't the "army of foreigners" to make them resign but the extremely top heavy prize distribution.

*cough* the reason why Charoisaur mentioned DRGling is because he didn't qualify because of a foreigner *cough*

Ignore me, I'm just having a terrible terrible damage cough.


Well it's not a surprise foreigner qualified most of the times at the expense of a korean, in GSL; DRGLing actually made it to the GSL once without any notable result, it's not like he was dominating online cups and minor competitions and foreigners didn't allow him to play on the most prestigious field every time.

Unlike top koreans in foreigner circuits back in HoTS, foreigners in GSL never were more than five and never went deeper than ro4; it's unrealistic to believe such an absymal presence outright killed all the promising young koreans.

That's not what we were discussing anyway; not having foreigners in GSL it's fair but it makes it less tasty to me.
On the other hand there are more chanches to see Prince and TOP/Kiwian advance so it isn't that bad.

5 foreigners means 5 more players to play against which makes the competition of the best region even more deadly to new & beginning players. I don't understand I have to explain this. If you're new you need to get to the level of getting money which means in Korea you have to compete against top Koreans AND AT HE SAME FUCKING TIME all the top foreigners - Serral.

Edit> It's the same reason why the WCS was locked in the past.

About the "viewership". GSL currently is in its worst time slot considering foreign audience. Wednesday 10:30 AM CET. Weeeee. The problem is most of their audience is at work or in bed(in case of the NA audience). Just admit it, SC2 audience is rather old. Saturday 6 AM CET(or w/e is the time for the NA audience day) means many Europeans are in bed.

If they want to treat the western audience, maybe, just maybe, consider better time slots than what do we have now. As of right now I cannot watch the streams as I am at work and then I am in bed but I would love to.

No matter whom they allow in the GSL I will NOT watch it because of the time slot.



Serral never tried to play GSL and a couple of some of the best foreigners(still inferior to the best koreans) shouldn't be able to stop new korean talents from emerging:


So korean up and comers should be able to somehow surpass the top foreigners in skill before being allowed to make money?
But when it was the other way around that foreigners had to beat top koreans for a high tournament finish it was somehow unfair?


I already said that it's FAIR that GSL becomes locked the way WCS is, just that I personally liked it open to everyone.

Given the very low number of foreigners trying to qualify it's much more likely korean up and comers would have to overcome top or mid tier koreans in order to be able to play in GSL; the truth is that unfortunately korean up and comers are very few as well.

Back in HoTS koreans(not only top ones, but notably almost nonames) were a huge obstacle to the best foreigner players, not just young promising ones, and the western scene as a whole, despite being much more active and rich in potential talents than current korean one, was strangled and diminished as a consequence of that;
at least in WCS AM they number of korean was higher than five, too.

I don't see how can you equate these two situations, the difference in magnitude is crystal clear to me.
Elmonti
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January 24 2019 18:24 GMT
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On January 25 2019 02:21 Brutaxilos wrote:
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On January 25 2019 02:10 Elmonti wrote:
On January 25 2019 01:56 Brutaxilos wrote:
On January 25 2019 01:39 Elmonti wrote:
On January 25 2019 01:07 fishjie wrote:
Good move, poorly executed. Better move - remove idiotic region lock and let Koreans take foreigner lunch money again - if they are able to beat Serral. Save the korean sc2 scene before its gone forever


The korean SC2 scene is gonna die in 2-3 years no matter what, since it's a problem of SC2's low popularity, not about 2-3 pros getting GSL money (this pros wouldn't be young talents, but tier 3 koreans like Impact, Ragnarok, Creator, etc.).

Removing Region Lock would also destroy the foreigner scene, and preventing young talents (kids like Reynor, Clem, even Serral at the time) to grow. And the foreign scene is the one supporting the 90% of the game.

So choose: inequality or killing the game.

Dude, Reynor and Clem can easily hold their own against Koreans. Stop treating them like they're some amateur newby that needs help to survive. Reynor is easily top 5 foreigner and probably top 5 Zerg right now.


Reynor can, since he is probably the most promising young foreigner of all times. No other "young" talent can be even close to the top20 koreans right now (average results).

Alright then, why does Clem deserve support when someone like DRGLing doesn't? I still don't buy the argument that "foreign money" is somehow supporting the scene. There is no foreign money, its Starcraft money. When you buy a Warchest, it doesn't matter where the players purchasing are from, it goes to the scene all together.


It's not Starcraft viewership. It's viewership from EEUU, France, Germany, Canada, Mexico, etc. and its the vast majority compared to the South Korean viewership. So you must have that in mind when you decide to make a move like that and cripple one or more scenes.

Warchest adds 200k to IEM or Blizzcons ... Viewership is WAY more important. Like both things are not in the same league.
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