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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
January 24 2019 18:37 GMT
#61
Thank god the totally existent amateur scene won't get beaten in qualifiers by NoRegret, Scarlett, Neeb, Major, and Raynor. Now they'll get beaten by MC, Taeja, Fantasy, Top, and Parting instead. #Progress
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55587 Posts
January 24 2019 19:25 GMT
#62
On January 25 2019 03:37 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Thank god the totally existent amateur scene won't get beaten in qualifiers by NoRegret, Scarlett, Neeb, Major, and Raynor. Now they'll get beaten by MC, Taeja, Fantasy, Top, and Parting instead. #Progress

I'm honestly not convinced by Top in that list.
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
January 24 2019 20:37 GMT
#63
On January 25 2019 03:37 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Thank god the totally existent amateur scene won't get beaten in qualifiers by NoRegret, Scarlett, Neeb, Major, and Raynor. Now they'll get beaten by MC, Taeja, Fantasy, Top, and Parting instead. #Progress


At least those ones will compete for something because they can earn WCS Korea points unlike the others....
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
January 24 2019 20:39 GMT
#64
That's not true, foreigners can earn WCS Korea points as well!
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2633 Posts
January 24 2019 21:21 GMT
#65
On January 25 2019 03:24 Elmonti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2019 02:21 Brutaxilos wrote:
On January 25 2019 02:10 Elmonti wrote:
On January 25 2019 01:56 Brutaxilos wrote:
On January 25 2019 01:39 Elmonti wrote:
On January 25 2019 01:07 fishjie wrote:
Good move, poorly executed. Better move - remove idiotic region lock and let Koreans take foreigner lunch money again - if they are able to beat Serral. Save the korean sc2 scene before its gone forever


The korean SC2 scene is gonna die in 2-3 years no matter what, since it's a problem of SC2's low popularity, not about 2-3 pros getting GSL money (this pros wouldn't be young talents, but tier 3 koreans like Impact, Ragnarok, Creator, etc.).

Removing Region Lock would also destroy the foreigner scene, and preventing young talents (kids like Reynor, Clem, even Serral at the time) to grow. And the foreign scene is the one supporting the 90% of the game.

So choose: inequality or killing the game.

Dude, Reynor and Clem can easily hold their own against Koreans. Stop treating them like they're some amateur newby that needs help to survive. Reynor is easily top 5 foreigner and probably top 5 Zerg right now.


Reynor can, since he is probably the most promising young foreigner of all times. No other "young" talent can be even close to the top20 koreans right now (average results).

Alright then, why does Clem deserve support when someone like DRGLing doesn't? I still don't buy the argument that "foreign money" is somehow supporting the scene. There is no foreign money, its Starcraft money. When you buy a Warchest, it doesn't matter where the players purchasing are from, it goes to the scene all together.


It's not Starcraft viewership. It's viewership from EEUU, France, Germany, Canada, Mexico, etc. and its the vast majority compared to the South Korean viewership. So you must have that in mind when you decide to make a move like that and cripple one or more scenes.

Warchest adds 200k to IEM or Blizzcons ... Viewership is WAY more important. Like both things are not in the same league.

Again, why is it okay that the money generated by viewers from, say, the USA goes to a Finnish player, but not okay if it goes to a Korean player? Why does Korea have to support itself, when all the other countries get the benefit of "foreign money". How many viewers does Finland provide? We should region lock Finland and make Blizzcon American players only!!
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TheWendiGo_
Profile Joined December 2017
Germany5 Posts
January 24 2019 21:30 GMT
#66
Instead of locking regions, they should be opened to all on both sides.
I can get behind it a little, why there were region locks, so the foreign scene wouldn't just be a Korean stomp fest.
Locking each region out, will only accomplish a decrease in viewership.
If anything, I think one of the stops from the wcs circuit should be in Korea.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17693 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-24 22:39:51
January 24 2019 21:59 GMT
#67
On January 24 2019 17:52 Akio wrote:
I think the overall choice to make this change is good, and I'm glad the tweet Solar posted speaking for the Korean pros actually had some impact.

With that being said, the announcements and communication with the public by Blizzard has been super choppy recently, I wonder what's up with that..

On January 24 2019 20:55 sneakyfox wrote:
It's frankly astonishing that there is still no public announcement about these things from Blizzard. One day away from GSL qualifiers and the rule changes start seeping out, but nobody knows what's what and it only adds to the confusion. Such incompetence is incredible.

If they really do force players to pick a region, it would definitely be more fair than now, but it could easily backfire because of the devaluation of Korean Starcraft as a product for advertisers, which could lead to its death -- especially if Blizzard is scaling down the financial support.

I still think the best option would be to end region lock and instead support Korean starcraft as the engine that propels all of starcraft forward. We can already see this potential from the fact that NoRegret's teamhouse is so popular, and so many foreigner wants to participate in the GSL.

On January 24 2019 20:55 sneakyfox wrote:
It's frankly astonishing that there is still no public announcement about these things from Blizzard. One day away from GSL qualifiers and the rule changes start seeping out, but nobody knows what's what and it only adds to the confusion. Such incompetence is incredible.

this is what happens when you have a brand new company prez and the company in cost cutting mode. not only do we not know what is going on... its highly probable many front line employees and mid-level management people don't know what is going on either.
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Torvaltz
Profile Joined August 2012
United States188 Posts
January 24 2019 22:42 GMT
#68
i guess they gotta try some measures to revitalize the korean scene but man, blizzards gotta do it in a timely and transparent fashion
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
January 24 2019 22:46 GMT
#69
As someone here already pointed out, the most fatal flaw wasn't the decision itself but the fact that it wasn't officially announced to the point that we are left speculating while the qualifiers are about to start.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33660 Posts
January 24 2019 22:48 GMT
#70
would definitely be nice to get some clarification from anyone

really hope it's just a Chinese community rumor that came out of miscommunication
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12132 Posts
January 24 2019 23:10 GMT
#71
On January 25 2019 07:48 Waxangel wrote:
would definitely be nice to get some clarification from anyone

really hope it's just a Chinese community rumor that came out of miscommunication

Miscommunication? Not sure what's worse, if the silent treatment and way too close change of rules or miscommunication. Both seems to me similarly horrible.
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8253 Posts
January 25 2019 00:05 GMT
#72
Activision just needs to announce whether we even have a real WCS and GSL tournament this year. February is a week away and everyone but probably the players are left in the dark.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33660 Posts
January 25 2019 05:34 GMT
#73
Multiple foreigners including a Chinese player participating now. What's up?
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Kalera
Profile Joined January 2018
United States338 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-25 05:53:06
January 25 2019 05:52 GMT
#74
On January 25 2019 14:34 Waxangel wrote:
Multiple foreigners including a Chinese player participating now. What's up?


It looks like some non-Koreans were walked-over so they may have withdrawn last minute, but there are a couple who played so it's not clear. They may just end up forfeiting their spot if they make it.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
January 25 2019 06:20 GMT
#75
On January 25 2019 04:25 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2019 03:37 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Thank god the totally existent amateur scene won't get beaten in qualifiers by NoRegret, Scarlett, Neeb, Major, and Raynor. Now they'll get beaten by MC, Taeja, Fantasy, Top, and Parting instead. #Progress

I'm honestly not convinced by Top in that list.


Like poetry, Top knocked out some rookie named Mafia
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33660 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-25 10:58:08
January 25 2019 10:55 GMT
#76
Aight so the players who have already qualified for WCS Circuit (SpeCial, Scarlett, TIME) appear to have forfeited or been walked over, while the players who did NOT qualify for WCS Circuit gave the GSL qualifiers a shot (SortOf, Cloudy). Seems like the supposed "pick-one-region" rule might really have been implemented?
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Snakestyle11
Profile Joined December 2018
191 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-25 11:15:38
January 25 2019 11:03 GMT
#77
Oups, just saw the GSL announcement, im glad that I was wrong and that GSL is staying as big in 2018! I hope the same is true for WCS ! Things might be looking good after all!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33660 Posts
January 25 2019 11:04 GMT
#78
On January 25 2019 20:03 Snakestyle11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2019 19:55 Waxangel wrote:
Aight so the players who have already qualified for WCS Circuit (SpeCial, Scarlett, TIME) appear to have forfeited or been walked over, while the players who did NOT qualify for WCS Circuit gave the GSL qualifiers a shot (SortOf, Cloudy). Seems like the supposed "pick-one-region" rule might really have been implemented?



The fact that they strangely havent told us anything yet almost definitely points towards some big down sizing. They never had trouble giving us informations early in the past, and there shouldnt be any reason now.. Or should it?

With the recent Diablo:immortal drama, the heroes of the storm league sudden shut down... They probably could not afford more negative business publicity so soon; as it would be very bad for business and stock values maybe? Seems they are waiting as long as possible..they cant afford more bad PR so soon..all at the same time would really scare off the investors maybe? I dont know much about that business but seems like the only reason.

After all, the reason is almost always money in 2019, no matter what we are talking about.


uhhhmmm... that's totally unrelated to what I'm talking about (whether or not WCS Circuit players can 'double-dip' into both Circuit and GSL)
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Kelerher
Profile Joined April 2017
9 Posts
January 25 2019 11:48 GMT
#79
On January 25 2019 19:55 Waxangel wrote:
Aight so the players who have already qualified for WCS Circuit (SpeCial, Scarlett, TIME) appear to have forfeited or been walked over, while the players who did NOT qualify for WCS Circuit gave the GSL qualifiers a shot (SortOf, Cloudy). Seems like the supposed "pick-one-region" rule might really have been implemented?


Actually SortOf qualified to WCS Winter EU, as I remember. With that situation looks quite a mess.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33660 Posts
January 25 2019 11:52 GMT
#80
On January 25 2019 20:48 Kelerher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2019 19:55 Waxangel wrote:
Aight so the players who have already qualified for WCS Circuit (SpeCial, Scarlett, TIME) appear to have forfeited or been walked over, while the players who did NOT qualify for WCS Circuit gave the GSL qualifiers a shot (SortOf, Cloudy). Seems like the supposed "pick-one-region" rule might really have been implemented?


Actually SortOf qualified to WCS Winter EU, as I remember. With that situation looks quite a mess.


oh whoops, missed that

in that case it's really just chaos and I'm not sure what's up here
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