EPTI will never understand the contempt some people in the community have for Koreans. I think that everyone who actually got decent at any esport looked up to many Koreans, and so would be incapable of such feelings. My guess is that this is a very telling analysis.
Korean community outrage over BlizzCon casting - Page 5
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Rodya
546 Posts
I will never understand the contempt some people in the community have for Koreans. I think that everyone who actually got decent at any esport looked up to many Koreans, and so would be incapable of such feelings. My guess is that this is a very telling analysis. | ||
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Rodya
546 Posts
On October 28 2018 20:15 Kurao wrote: This is absurd. Ignoring THE region where, historically and now, the best players are from is almost an insult to the whole scene. Btw, the individual Afreeca-hosted tourneys have better production than the WCS events, and at least they have English casters. Lol true - ASL production is top notch. WCS events on the other hand are barely a step up from HSC. | ||
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
On October 28 2018 22:35 Schluppik wrote: Btw. The most-spoken language in Europe is German and not English. When I was in the Netherlands and people noticed, I was German they started talking in German instead of English. Same thing happened to me in northern Italy with the exception that these Italians only spoke Italian and German. Just an hour ago I spoke to a German living in Denmark (Sonderborg-region). She can't talk English so I wanted to know how she is communicating with the Danes and she said they all speak German because she is still learning Danish. What's so weird about Germany is that you are forced to learn more than one foreign language (English is ok) if you go to a grammar school. Why should you learn French? There are only 5 European countries using this language - 3 of them being extremely small - and the rest is in Africa. And Spanish makes even less sense here. Meh. While the conclusion may possibly be true, this is a lot of nit picking to call this "most spoken language". You basically said "German is the most spoken language in Germany, and in two of its smallest adjacent countries"? It's as if I use the example that I live in Germany and my neighbours usually communicate in Spanish, not German, no that much English, so most Europe speak Spanish? :o | ||
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
On October 28 2018 23:10 Rodya wrote: Lol true - ASL production is top notch. WCS events on the other hand are barely a step up from HSC. Considering that HSC has the best casting, pretty damn good. | ||
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NyuBPrime
22 Posts
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9Dimitri
Hungary14 Posts
Postings on Korean community forums expressed their displeasure at Blizzard's promotion of the 2018 War Chests as 'supporting esports' while failing to provide the Korean community with the commentary they had become accustomed to all year. +1 User was warned for this post. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
Anyways there may be more to this story than we are hearing, it might be a little more nuanced business wise. Also might not, though. Activision is pretty shitty. On October 28 2018 23:01 Rodya wrote: By the way, I find it telling that people tell Koreans to "just watch the English stream, whats the big deal?" and at the same time say that it's fine that the English commentarys have a massive foreigner bias in their analysis/commentary "because it's the english/foreigner stream". I don't think it's foreigner bias. It's underdog bias. These commentators were playing broodwar, when the struggle was *really* real. When any foreigner ever winning any sort of competitive game vs a korean was something that was talked about for weeks. | ||
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Connor56201
25 Posts
On October 28 2018 18:04 atrox_ wrote: ASL did have english commentators - Rapid and NoRegret casted it terrible casters compared to artosis and tasteless. | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On October 28 2018 23:42 travis wrote: I don't think it's foreigner bias. It's underdog bias. These commentators were playing broodwar, when the struggle was *really* real. When any foreigner ever winning any sort of competitive game vs a korean was something that was talked about for weeks. That's only true in the sense where underdog bias and foreigner bias are equivalent, though, considering their darling is Serral. | ||
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sunnyshine
Australia63 Posts
On October 28 2018 23:42 travis wrote: It's pretty awful but the outrage seems a little over the top. They can watch the games. They can even watch the games with korean commentary. You're talking about a company that is known for "profit above all else"... I'd be happy to have a korean stream if I was korean and wanted to watch in korean. I've watched a hilarious amount of starcraft and starcraft2 tournaments with commentary in a language I don't even understand. It'll be okay, just enjoy the games. Anyways there may be more to this story than we are hearing, it might be a little more nuanced business wise. Also might not, though. Activision is pretty shitty. Isn't the problem that the playoffs streamer isn't even a proper sc2 caster? So it's barely better than nothing. | ||
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MrWayne
219 Posts
On the other side though at this point it is delusional to expect a korean stream anywhere near the level of the english main stream. The only reasons why Blizzard is so much invested into korean Sc2 is a) the pro players and they importance for the global scene and b) historical reasons but definitly not the size of the korean scene right now. | ||
Poopi
France13022 Posts
Imagine instead of Tastosis you got that Fortnite guy ninja commenting BlizzCon, you would be far more outraged than having HajinSun instead of Smix believe me | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On October 28 2018 23:46 Connor56201 wrote: terrible casters compared to artosis and tasteless. The point is that they didn't restrict it to Korean crowd. Korea sends half the players to Blizzcon, the biggest number of expectants to win the whole thing are from Korea, the whole Starcraft craziness started in Korea. Why the hell they cannot have 1 or 2 damn commentators and a stream is way beyond my understanding. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8255 Posts
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DomeGetta
480 Posts
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nachtkap
Germany197 Posts
On October 28 2018 18:35 Musicus wrote:The money is just drop in the bucket. Seriously wishing I could return that stupid Warchest. Are you sure that you cant? Gewährleistung, Garantie, Umtauschrecht Verbraucherzentrale and such.... After all you bought the Warchest thinking that services and products would include stuff. You formed that opinion because you thought past experiences were an indicator of what kind of product you could expect this year. At least I'd think that's what convinced you to buy it. Causing 25€ worth of extra work for Blizzard shouldnt be that hard. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
A) Korean teens should be encouraged to play/watch e sports in English, because that teaches them the most important international language, and things like these help a lot more than textbooks and such. The English knowledge of the average Korean youth is shamefully bad, for a nation as advanced as that. And you cant really say it's cultural, Japanese youth speak decent English compared to Koreans, as far as i can tell. B) For the longest time we were watching Korean VODs and be super-excited about it, with no chance of an official English cover on the horizon. Then a few fairly bad English casters appeared who recasted korean VODs. FFs, I remember wacthing a VOD from a guy who was casting it from his car, parked in front of the university's library to leech wifi, and I watched it cuz that was the only English cover. User was warned for this post | ||
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Creager
Germany1962 Posts
On October 29 2018 00:15 DomeGetta wrote: This is completely fucked. Biggest moment of sc2 year for the community that has kept rts relevant for the last 20 years. Way to show your appreciation. Yeah, especially after they had such a big launch event for SC:R in Korea. Blizzard has really grown out of touch with their roots, reading things like this just reassure me not to spend any more money on their games. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17899 Posts
Blizzard is starting to become just another video game developer. sad stuff. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
Morhaime steps down and this shit happens, I wonder if that has anything to do with this stupid decision. This really doesn't make me want to support SC2 through warchests and whatever, obviously they don't know what to do with the money anyways. | ||
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