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On November 01 2018 15:54 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 21:31 Rodya wrote:On October 30 2018 06:10 Nathanias wrote:On October 29 2018 02:58 AntiHack wrote:On October 28 2018 23:01 Rodya wrote:
By the way, I find it telling that people tell Koreans to "just watch the English stream, whats the big deal?" and at the same time say that it's fine that the English commentarys have a massive foreigner bias in their analysis/commentary "because it's the english/foreigner stream".
I will never understand the contempt some people in the community have for Koreans. I think that everyone who actually got decent at any esport looked up to many Koreans, and so would be incapable of such feelings. My guess is that this is a very telling analysis. I guess ppl like Nathanias saying "F**k Korea" basically every 2 streams doesn't help What? I don't have anything against Koreans. The only community in StarCraft that I dump on is BW Elitists because they deserve it. Anyone could have easily just been fans of both games and recognized a united scene is better than a divided one. Thanks for playing though! How about you dont flame people who like BW but not SC2? Is that unreasonable? Flash is the greatest RTS player of all time and its logically impossible for a SC2 player to steal that throne. Also it would be nice if one caster said something about this in support of Korea. Instead all we have had is Incontrol saying that Korea doesnt deserve commentary (on reddit). I hope Artosis at least says something, he's the only one I trust. Referencing the bold text... I tried to look for this but couldn't find it. Do you have the link?
He's probably referring to this thread complaining about no korean subtitles for the signature series:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/9s3d5s/no_korean_subtitles_on_wcs_signature_series/e8lv3ks/
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On November 01 2018 18:06 sunnyshine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 15:54 Azzur wrote:On October 31 2018 21:31 Rodya wrote:On October 30 2018 06:10 Nathanias wrote:On October 29 2018 02:58 AntiHack wrote:On October 28 2018 23:01 Rodya wrote:
By the way, I find it telling that people tell Koreans to "just watch the English stream, whats the big deal?" and at the same time say that it's fine that the English commentarys have a massive foreigner bias in their analysis/commentary "because it's the english/foreigner stream".
I will never understand the contempt some people in the community have for Koreans. I think that everyone who actually got decent at any esport looked up to many Koreans, and so would be incapable of such feelings. My guess is that this is a very telling analysis. I guess ppl like Nathanias saying "F**k Korea" basically every 2 streams doesn't help What? I don't have anything against Koreans. The only community in StarCraft that I dump on is BW Elitists because they deserve it. Anyone could have easily just been fans of both games and recognized a united scene is better than a divided one. Thanks for playing though! How about you dont flame people who like BW but not SC2? Is that unreasonable? Flash is the greatest RTS player of all time and its logically impossible for a SC2 player to steal that throne. Also it would be nice if one caster said something about this in support of Korea. Instead all we have had is Incontrol saying that Korea doesnt deserve commentary (on reddit). I hope Artosis at least says something, he's the only one I trust. Referencing the bold text... I tried to look for this but couldn't find it. Do you have the link? He's probably referring to this thread complaining about no korean subtitles for the signature series: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/9s3d5s/no_korean_subtitles_on_wcs_signature_series/e8lv3ks/
Was incontrol really claiming there are less Koreans interested in the wcs signature series than there are Italians? Italians who don't speak English, that is, to keep in line with the "well, your language doesn't matter, learn English" theme that incontrol is on.
Anyway, glad Blizzard stepped in and managed to find something of a solution for the WCS cast. Still pretty sad that this was a last minute rush job, but better than no job at all. And MC casting? I'm a bit jealous now. I'd trade about 7 of our English casters for having MC :D
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On November 01 2018 18:38 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 18:06 sunnyshine wrote:On November 01 2018 15:54 Azzur wrote:On October 31 2018 21:31 Rodya wrote:On October 30 2018 06:10 Nathanias wrote:On October 29 2018 02:58 AntiHack wrote:On October 28 2018 23:01 Rodya wrote:
By the way, I find it telling that people tell Koreans to "just watch the English stream, whats the big deal?" and at the same time say that it's fine that the English commentarys have a massive foreigner bias in their analysis/commentary "because it's the english/foreigner stream".
I will never understand the contempt some people in the community have for Koreans. I think that everyone who actually got decent at any esport looked up to many Koreans, and so would be incapable of such feelings. My guess is that this is a very telling analysis. I guess ppl like Nathanias saying "F**k Korea" basically every 2 streams doesn't help What? I don't have anything against Koreans. The only community in StarCraft that I dump on is BW Elitists because they deserve it. Anyone could have easily just been fans of both games and recognized a united scene is better than a divided one. Thanks for playing though! How about you dont flame people who like BW but not SC2? Is that unreasonable? Flash is the greatest RTS player of all time and its logically impossible for a SC2 player to steal that throne. Also it would be nice if one caster said something about this in support of Korea. Instead all we have had is Incontrol saying that Korea doesnt deserve commentary (on reddit). I hope Artosis at least says something, he's the only one I trust. Referencing the bold text... I tried to look for this but couldn't find it. Do you have the link? He's probably referring to this thread complaining about no korean subtitles for the signature series: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/9s3d5s/no_korean_subtitles_on_wcs_signature_series/e8lv3ks/ Was incontrol really claiming there are less Koreans interested in the wcs signature series than there are Italians? Italians who don't speak English, that is, to keep in line with the "well, your language doesn't matter, learn English" theme that incontrol is on. Anyway, glad Blizzard stepped in and managed to find something of a solution for the WCS cast. Still pretty sad that this was a last minute rush job, but better than no job at all. And MC casting? I'm a bit jealous now. I'd trade about 7 of our English casters for having MC :D
I'd trade the whole English production if MC is casting the event!
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On November 01 2018 18:38 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 18:06 sunnyshine wrote:On November 01 2018 15:54 Azzur wrote:On October 31 2018 21:31 Rodya wrote:On October 30 2018 06:10 Nathanias wrote:On October 29 2018 02:58 AntiHack wrote:On October 28 2018 23:01 Rodya wrote:
By the way, I find it telling that people tell Koreans to "just watch the English stream, whats the big deal?" and at the same time say that it's fine that the English commentarys have a massive foreigner bias in their analysis/commentary "because it's the english/foreigner stream".
I will never understand the contempt some people in the community have for Koreans. I think that everyone who actually got decent at any esport looked up to many Koreans, and so would be incapable of such feelings. My guess is that this is a very telling analysis. I guess ppl like Nathanias saying "F**k Korea" basically every 2 streams doesn't help What? I don't have anything against Koreans. The only community in StarCraft that I dump on is BW Elitists because they deserve it. Anyone could have easily just been fans of both games and recognized a united scene is better than a divided one. Thanks for playing though! How about you dont flame people who like BW but not SC2? Is that unreasonable? Flash is the greatest RTS player of all time and its logically impossible for a SC2 player to steal that throne. Also it would be nice if one caster said something about this in support of Korea. Instead all we have had is Incontrol saying that Korea doesnt deserve commentary (on reddit). I hope Artosis at least says something, he's the only one I trust. Referencing the bold text... I tried to look for this but couldn't find it. Do you have the link? He's probably referring to this thread complaining about no korean subtitles for the signature series: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/9s3d5s/no_korean_subtitles_on_wcs_signature_series/e8lv3ks/ Was incontrol really claiming there are less Koreans interested in the wcs signature series than there are Italians? Italians who don't speak English, that is, to keep in line with the "well, your language doesn't matter, learn English" theme that incontrol is on.
He probably just didn't know there were other language (Italian) subtitles.
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At the end of the day, I just don't get what Blizzard's game here is. The whole Blizzcon is essentially advertisement for Blizzard and their products. I don't believe they are actually making money on the Blizzcon SC2 tournament, considering how much they put into prize pool and prodcution. So why don't they treat it as such - as an advert? Why do they go after re-streamers? How much money can the "twitch exclusive" deal even make them? Can it really be some relevant sum compared to the cost of the whole thing?
I suspect this is just a lot of corporate sort-sightedness where some exec is trying to fulfill some benchmarks of getting X money form Y and nobody is really looking at the big picture. Once you sink some money into something, you should consider this money as a part of balance of anything else related and if your twitch deal makes you some, but limits the reach of the marketing produced for millions of dollars of costs, it might not be that good a deal after all ...
I still find some of the views in this thread about how they owe something to Koreans completely ridiculous, but Blizzard's approach here doesn't make too much sense either.
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On November 01 2018 14:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
MC and Leenock cast you say? Might watch some of that instead :p
MC undisputed GOAT starcraft caster!
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On November 01 2018 18:38 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 18:06 sunnyshine wrote:On November 01 2018 15:54 Azzur wrote:On October 31 2018 21:31 Rodya wrote:On October 30 2018 06:10 Nathanias wrote:On October 29 2018 02:58 AntiHack wrote:On October 28 2018 23:01 Rodya wrote:
By the way, I find it telling that people tell Koreans to "just watch the English stream, whats the big deal?" and at the same time say that it's fine that the English commentarys have a massive foreigner bias in their analysis/commentary "because it's the english/foreigner stream".
I will never understand the contempt some people in the community have for Koreans. I think that everyone who actually got decent at any esport looked up to many Koreans, and so would be incapable of such feelings. My guess is that this is a very telling analysis. I guess ppl like Nathanias saying "F**k Korea" basically every 2 streams doesn't help What? I don't have anything against Koreans. The only community in StarCraft that I dump on is BW Elitists because they deserve it. Anyone could have easily just been fans of both games and recognized a united scene is better than a divided one. Thanks for playing though! How about you dont flame people who like BW but not SC2? Is that unreasonable? Flash is the greatest RTS player of all time and its logically impossible for a SC2 player to steal that throne. Also it would be nice if one caster said something about this in support of Korea. Instead all we have had is Incontrol saying that Korea doesnt deserve commentary (on reddit). I hope Artosis at least says something, he's the only one I trust. Referencing the bold text... I tried to look for this but couldn't find it. Do you have the link? He's probably referring to this thread complaining about no korean subtitles for the signature series: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/9s3d5s/no_korean_subtitles_on_wcs_signature_series/e8lv3ks/ Was incontrol really claiming there are less Koreans interested in the wcs signature series than there are Italians? Italians who don't speak English, that is, to keep in line with the "well, your language doesn't matter, learn English" theme that incontrol is on. Anyway, glad Blizzard stepped in and managed to find something of a solution for the WCS cast. Still pretty sad that this was a last minute rush job, but better than no job at all. And MC casting? I'm a bit jealous now. I'd trade about 7 of our English casters for having MC :D
Incontrol's a cool dude, but sometimes he makes some really stupid statements. I remember during the decline of sc2 he said that everything was fine because he got a raise.
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On November 01 2018 20:26 sunnyshine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 18:38 Acrofales wrote:On November 01 2018 18:06 sunnyshine wrote:On November 01 2018 15:54 Azzur wrote:On October 31 2018 21:31 Rodya wrote:On October 30 2018 06:10 Nathanias wrote:On October 29 2018 02:58 AntiHack wrote:On October 28 2018 23:01 Rodya wrote:
By the way, I find it telling that people tell Koreans to "just watch the English stream, whats the big deal?" and at the same time say that it's fine that the English commentarys have a massive foreigner bias in their analysis/commentary "because it's the english/foreigner stream".
I will never understand the contempt some people in the community have for Koreans. I think that everyone who actually got decent at any esport looked up to many Koreans, and so would be incapable of such feelings. My guess is that this is a very telling analysis. I guess ppl like Nathanias saying "F**k Korea" basically every 2 streams doesn't help What? I don't have anything against Koreans. The only community in StarCraft that I dump on is BW Elitists because they deserve it. Anyone could have easily just been fans of both games and recognized a united scene is better than a divided one. Thanks for playing though! How about you dont flame people who like BW but not SC2? Is that unreasonable? Flash is the greatest RTS player of all time and its logically impossible for a SC2 player to steal that throne. Also it would be nice if one caster said something about this in support of Korea. Instead all we have had is Incontrol saying that Korea doesnt deserve commentary (on reddit). I hope Artosis at least says something, he's the only one I trust. Referencing the bold text... I tried to look for this but couldn't find it. Do you have the link? He's probably referring to this thread complaining about no korean subtitles for the signature series: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/9s3d5s/no_korean_subtitles_on_wcs_signature_series/e8lv3ks/ Was incontrol really claiming there are less Koreans interested in the wcs signature series than there are Italians? Italians who don't speak English, that is, to keep in line with the "well, your language doesn't matter, learn English" theme that incontrol is on. Anyway, glad Blizzard stepped in and managed to find something of a solution for the WCS cast. Still pretty sad that this was a last minute rush job, but better than no job at all. And MC casting? I'm a bit jealous now. I'd trade about 7 of our English casters for having MC :D Incontrol's a cool dude, but sometimes he makes some really stupid statements. I remember during the decline of sc2 he said that everything was fine because he got a raise.
cool douche from time to time, or most of the time..
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On October 28 2018 17:51 Waxangel wrote:Update: Oct 31Blizzard has added additional casters to the Korean community stream to try and improve the BlizzCon experience for the Korean fans, but the original GSL casters will remain absent from the broadcast.
The Korean community has expressed its outrage over the state of Korean-language casting for this year's WCS Global Finals, where it appears that the familiar voices of the GSL will not be casting StarCraft II's most prestigious event. GSL commentator JYP told TeamLiquid.net that "...we were contacted before BlizzCon. Were were told that there was no separate budget for production or appearance fees. AfreecaTV would have been able to provide production/talent appearance support. Howevevr, [WCS at BlizzCon] was an exclusive Twitch stream, so we were unable to."Korean fans took to Reddit, looking to catch the attention of the US-located, English-speaking, Blizzard headquarters. One post read: "crank TV is playing the broadcast during the opening period. and LuciaTV from the quarterfinals to the final. Crank is a former pro(but even thoght he is just a one of streamer ), while Lucia is just a large-scale streamer with little to do with Starcraft 2( She has held the Starcraft 2 tournament, but basically, she is a not a starcraft2 streamer) . There's no mention of broadcast with expert commentator at all While even the StarCraft remaster event games are sent to the official channel, it is unknown that the main event of the blizzcon, the StarCraft 2 finals, will not use the official bradcast.
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There are people who devote for Starcraft 2.Among them, the on-poong media created by GSL broadcast team holding a lot of competitions. of starcraft2 Despite this passion, Blizzard says that will not be able to make a boradcast and It has been known a while ago that Blizzard korea proposed a non-paycheck broadcast to on-poong team. It sounds like an excuse that we couldn't afford the broadcasting team because we didn't have the budget now. I think Blizzard is being too unfair for the interests of its users and fans."Postings on Korean community forums expressed their displeasure at Blizzard's promotion of the 2018 War Chests as 'supporting esports' while failing to provide the Korean community with the commentary they had become accustomed to all year.
yeah it suck aaaaa
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We were overwhelmed by the passion from the Korean StarCraft community for the #WCS Global Finals
This sounds like something an alien trying to mimic humanity would say. I can't picture the person who would respond to the feedback the Koreans have given with "I am overwhelmed by your passion." And in fact it's not just one person, but two or more!
Whoever's feelings were represented via the StarCraft eSports Twitter, I appreciate you baring yourself to the world. I hope you've recovered well enough to enjoy BlizzCon! And I'm sure that the Korean community is grateful for your poise and determination to put this together so quickly after being overwhelmed by their passion.
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Ultimately, it seems Blizzard was unwilling/unable to get the GSL casters to cast the Global Finals, but have tried make up for it by adding more community/pro casters and upping the quality of the community stream. Is it going to be enough to please the Korean StarCraft II community?
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On November 02 2018 03:22 Waxangel wrote:
Ultimately, it seems Blizzard was unwilling/unable to get the GSL casters to cast the Global Finals, but have tried make up for it by adding more community/pro casters and upping the quality of the community stream. Is it going to be enough to please the Korean StarCraft II community?
It improves the situation but I think the discontent will remain. We would be pretty bummed if Tastosis weren't casting.
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On November 02 2018 04:21 Dave4 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2018 03:22 Waxangel wrote:
Ultimately, it seems Blizzard was unwilling/unable to get the GSL casters to cast the Global Finals, but have tried make up for it by adding more community/pro casters and upping the quality of the community stream. Is it going to be enough to please the Korean StarCraft II community? It improves the situation but I think the discontent will remain. We would be pretty bummed if Tastosis weren't casting.
I dunno. Yes. But if we got MC instead? I'd take it!
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On November 02 2018 03:14 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +We were overwhelmed by the passion from the Korean StarCraft community for the #WCS Global Finals This sounds like something an alien trying to mimic humanity would say. I can't picture the person who would respond to the feedback the Koreans have given with "I am overwhelmed by your passion." And in fact it's not just one person, but two or more! Whoever's feelings were represented via the StarCraft eSports Twitter, I appreciate you baring yourself to the world. I hope you've recovered well enough to enjoy BlizzCon! And I'm sure that the Korean community is grateful for your poise and determination to put this together so quickly after being overwhelmed by their passion.
i mean, they're not going to straight up say "yeah you guys complained loudly enough, nice job" lol, they've gotta spin it in a more positive way...
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On November 01 2018 08:40 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 21:31 Rodya wrote:On October 30 2018 06:10 Nathanias wrote:On October 29 2018 02:58 AntiHack wrote:On October 28 2018 23:01 Rodya wrote:
By the way, I find it telling that people tell Koreans to "just watch the English stream, whats the big deal?" and at the same time say that it's fine that the English commentarys have a massive foreigner bias in their analysis/commentary "because it's the english/foreigner stream".
I will never understand the contempt some people in the community have for Koreans. I think that everyone who actually got decent at any esport looked up to many Koreans, and so would be incapable of such feelings. My guess is that this is a very telling analysis. I guess ppl like Nathanias saying "F**k Korea" basically every 2 streams doesn't help What? I don't have anything against Koreans. The only community in StarCraft that I dump on is BW Elitists because they deserve it. Anyone could have easily just been fans of both games and recognized a united scene is better than a divided one. Thanks for playing though! How about you dont flame people who like BW but not SC2? Is that unreasonable? Flash is the greatest RTS player of all time and its logically impossible for a SC2 player to steal that throne. Also it would be nice if one caster said something about this in support of Korea. Instead all we have had is Incontrol saying that Korea doesnt deserve commentary (on reddit). I hope Artosis at least says something, he's the only one I trust. you can't use "logically" in place of "in my opinion," m8 gonna have to handing out some warnings if you keep presenting what are very clearly subjective opinions as fact.
RTS is a let's say, more noble genre then MOBAs, it need history, it need legends it need to have the meta changed by great geniuses and champions, not expansions and updates
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There are so many koreans in other countries I want to share starcraft with, but there's not a quality korean broadcast for me to do so for Blizzcon. That's really sad. Blizzard owes korean players and fans... Starcraft as an esport would not exist without them. It is also really sad for the korean players' family and friends to not have a korean broadcasting team.
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On November 01 2018 18:53 BlueStar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 18:38 Acrofales wrote:On November 01 2018 18:06 sunnyshine wrote:On November 01 2018 15:54 Azzur wrote:On October 31 2018 21:31 Rodya wrote:On October 30 2018 06:10 Nathanias wrote:On October 29 2018 02:58 AntiHack wrote:On October 28 2018 23:01 Rodya wrote:
By the way, I find it telling that people tell Koreans to "just watch the English stream, whats the big deal?" and at the same time say that it's fine that the English commentarys have a massive foreigner bias in their analysis/commentary "because it's the english/foreigner stream".
I will never understand the contempt some people in the community have for Koreans. I think that everyone who actually got decent at any esport looked up to many Koreans, and so would be incapable of such feelings. My guess is that this is a very telling analysis. I guess ppl like Nathanias saying "F**k Korea" basically every 2 streams doesn't help What? I don't have anything against Koreans. The only community in StarCraft that I dump on is BW Elitists because they deserve it. Anyone could have easily just been fans of both games and recognized a united scene is better than a divided one. Thanks for playing though! How about you dont flame people who like BW but not SC2? Is that unreasonable? Flash is the greatest RTS player of all time and its logically impossible for a SC2 player to steal that throne. Also it would be nice if one caster said something about this in support of Korea. Instead all we have had is Incontrol saying that Korea doesnt deserve commentary (on reddit). I hope Artosis at least says something, he's the only one I trust. Referencing the bold text... I tried to look for this but couldn't find it. Do you have the link? He's probably referring to this thread complaining about no korean subtitles for the signature series: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/9s3d5s/no_korean_subtitles_on_wcs_signature_series/e8lv3ks/ Was incontrol really claiming there are less Koreans interested in the wcs signature series than there are Italians? Italians who don't speak English, that is, to keep in line with the "well, your language doesn't matter, learn English" theme that incontrol is on. Anyway, glad Blizzard stepped in and managed to find something of a solution for the WCS cast. Still pretty sad that this was a last minute rush job, but better than no job at all. And MC casting? I'm a bit jealous now. I'd trade about 7 of our English casters for having MC :D I'd trade the whole English production if MC is casting the event!
Incontrol really dropped the ball in that post imo. You just can´t blame it on not having enough korean viewers while having half the players from Korea. It is actually insulting because he is one of the commentators and gets away with his irony.
("In fact, all languages were excluded. Makes me sad for our Japanese viewers  ")
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Also, Korean players are playing the QFs at 3-4am korean time.
Gee that should not hinder them at all.
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On November 02 2018 06:03 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2018 04:21 Dave4 wrote:On November 02 2018 03:22 Waxangel wrote:
Ultimately, it seems Blizzard was unwilling/unable to get the GSL casters to cast the Global Finals, but have tried make up for it by adding more community/pro casters and upping the quality of the community stream. Is it going to be enough to please the Korean StarCraft II community? It improves the situation but I think the discontent will remain. We would be pretty bummed if Tastosis weren't casting. I dunno. Yes. But if we got MC instead? I'd take it!
Yeah - MC casting in English would be pretty rad
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Leenock can speak English pretty well as well. At this point I rather watch only MC and Leenock cast in English. There's really no reason why there would be an English caster for each and every EU / NA player anyways. It makes no sense.
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