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rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5595 Posts
October 30 2018 17:37 GMT
#201
On October 31 2018 02:25 Acrofales wrote:
Wow, and I thought the EN production was bad. At least we had casters...

We sure did...


No wonder there was nothing left for KR.
don't wall off against random
DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
October 30 2018 19:22 GMT
#202
Disappointed that the Korean audience isn't getting the love that foreign fans do for Afreeca/GSL tournaments. Hesitant to say much more because there's not a whole lot more of information on the subject.
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Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3455 Posts
October 30 2018 19:56 GMT
#203
Gross situation.
I blame the blizz CEO.
It’s the Brak show now.
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JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
October 30 2018 20:25 GMT
#204
On October 31 2018 02:37 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2018 02:25 Acrofales wrote:
Wow, and I thought the EN production was bad. At least we had casters...

We sure did...
https://twitter.com/Stoochie2Timez/status/1056962274290618368

No wonder there was nothing left for KR.


Yeah I was wondering the same when I saw how many casters we have. Not just because has no casters but because I thinkt its ridiculous that we have 8 (7 without nathan) casters for 16 players.
Zephyp
Profile Joined April 2013
238 Posts
October 31 2018 05:47 GMT
#205
It's a real shame that the community that built the foundations of SC2 isn't given a better Blizzcon. I don't understand wht, has anyone from Blizzard commented on this? Especially when the English cast gets eight casters. I don't mind some variety, but four would be fine. Casters that don't do SC2 outside of Blizzcon could've been replaced by casters that normally do.
Rodya
Profile Joined January 2018
546 Posts
October 31 2018 12:31 GMT
#206
On October 30 2018 06:10 Nathanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2018 02:58 AntiHack wrote:
On October 28 2018 23:01 Rodya wrote:
By the way, I find it telling that people tell Koreans to "just watch the English stream, whats the big deal?" and at the same time say that it's fine that the English commentarys have a massive foreigner bias in their analysis/commentary "because it's the english/foreigner stream".

I will never understand the contempt some people in the community have for Koreans. I think that everyone who actually got decent at any esport looked up to many Koreans, and so would be incapable of such feelings. My guess is that this is a very telling analysis.

I guess ppl like Nathanias saying "F**k Korea" basically every 2 streams doesn't help


What? I don't have anything against Koreans. The only community in StarCraft that I dump on is BW Elitists because they deserve it. Anyone could have easily just been fans of both games and recognized a united scene is better than a divided one. Thanks for playing though!

How about you dont flame people who like BW but not SC2? Is that unreasonable? Flash is the greatest RTS player of all time and its logically impossible for a SC2 player to steal that throne.

Also it would be nice if one caster said something about this in support of Korea. Instead all we have had is Incontrol saying that Korea doesnt deserve commentary (on reddit). I hope Artosis at least says something, he's the only one I trust.
Banned for saying "zerg players are by far the biggest whiners in sc2 history" despite the fact that this forum is full of such posts about Terrans. Foreigner Elitists in control!
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
October 31 2018 12:57 GMT
#207
On October 31 2018 21:31 Rodya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 06:10 Nathanias wrote:
On October 29 2018 02:58 AntiHack wrote:
On October 28 2018 23:01 Rodya wrote:
By the way, I find it telling that people tell Koreans to "just watch the English stream, whats the big deal?" and at the same time say that it's fine that the English commentarys have a massive foreigner bias in their analysis/commentary "because it's the english/foreigner stream".

I will never understand the contempt some people in the community have for Koreans. I think that everyone who actually got decent at any esport looked up to many Koreans, and so would be incapable of such feelings. My guess is that this is a very telling analysis.

I guess ppl like Nathanias saying "F**k Korea" basically every 2 streams doesn't help


What? I don't have anything against Koreans. The only community in StarCraft that I dump on is BW Elitists because they deserve it. Anyone could have easily just been fans of both games and recognized a united scene is better than a divided one. Thanks for playing though!

How about you dont flame people who like BW but not SC2? Is that unreasonable? Flash is the greatest RTS player of all time and its logically impossible for a SC2 player to steal that throne.

Also it would be nice if one caster said something about this in support of Korea. Instead all we have had is Incontrol saying that Korea doesnt deserve commentary (on reddit). I hope Artosis at least says something, he's the only one I trust.

Greatest RTS player of all time couldn't dominate SC2 which is an RTS. Somethings wrong with the statement Either SC2 isn't an RTS or ...
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
KR_4EVR
Profile Joined July 2017
316 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-31 23:28:22
October 31 2018 23:28 GMT
#208
On October 31 2018 21:57 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2018 21:31 Rodya wrote:
On October 30 2018 06:10 Nathanias wrote:
On October 29 2018 02:58 AntiHack wrote:
On October 28 2018 23:01 Rodya wrote:
By the way, I find it telling that people tell Koreans to "just watch the English stream, whats the big deal?" and at the same time say that it's fine that the English commentarys have a massive foreigner bias in their analysis/commentary "because it's the english/foreigner stream".

I will never understand the contempt some people in the community have for Koreans. I think that everyone who actually got decent at any esport looked up to many Koreans, and so would be incapable of such feelings. My guess is that this is a very telling analysis.

I guess ppl like Nathanias saying "F**k Korea" basically every 2 streams doesn't help


What? I don't have anything against Koreans. The only community in StarCraft that I dump on is BW Elitists because they deserve it. Anyone could have easily just been fans of both games and recognized a united scene is better than a divided one. Thanks for playing though!

How about you dont flame people who like BW but not SC2? Is that unreasonable? Flash is the greatest RTS player of all time and its logically impossible for a SC2 player to steal that throne.

Also it would be nice if one caster said something about this in support of Korea. Instead all we have had is Incontrol saying that Korea doesnt deserve commentary (on reddit). I hope Artosis at least says something, he's the only one I trust.

Greatest RTS player of all time couldn't dominate SC2 which is an RTS. Somethings wrong with the statement Either SC2 isn't an RTS or ...



Last I checked, Flash is an Adobe macromedia player, not an RTS player.
Et tu Brute ?
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33481 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-31 23:42:02
October 31 2018 23:40 GMT
#209
On October 31 2018 21:31 Rodya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 06:10 Nathanias wrote:
On October 29 2018 02:58 AntiHack wrote:
On October 28 2018 23:01 Rodya wrote:
By the way, I find it telling that people tell Koreans to "just watch the English stream, whats the big deal?" and at the same time say that it's fine that the English commentarys have a massive foreigner bias in their analysis/commentary "because it's the english/foreigner stream".

I will never understand the contempt some people in the community have for Koreans. I think that everyone who actually got decent at any esport looked up to many Koreans, and so would be incapable of such feelings. My guess is that this is a very telling analysis.

I guess ppl like Nathanias saying "F**k Korea" basically every 2 streams doesn't help


What? I don't have anything against Koreans. The only community in StarCraft that I dump on is BW Elitists because they deserve it. Anyone could have easily just been fans of both games and recognized a united scene is better than a divided one. Thanks for playing though!

How about you dont flame people who like BW but not SC2? Is that unreasonable? Flash is the greatest RTS player of all time and its logically impossible for a SC2 player to steal that throne.

Also it would be nice if one caster said something about this in support of Korea. Instead all we have had is Incontrol saying that Korea doesnt deserve commentary (on reddit). I hope Artosis at least says something, he's the only one I trust.


you can't use "logically" in place of "in my opinion," m8

gonna have to handing out some warnings if you keep presenting what are very clearly subjective opinions as fact.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
November 01 2018 03:44 GMT
#210
On October 31 2018 21:31 Rodya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 06:10 Nathanias wrote:
On October 29 2018 02:58 AntiHack wrote:
On October 28 2018 23:01 Rodya wrote:
By the way, I find it telling that people tell Koreans to "just watch the English stream, whats the big deal?" and at the same time say that it's fine that the English commentarys have a massive foreigner bias in their analysis/commentary "because it's the english/foreigner stream".

I will never understand the contempt some people in the community have for Koreans. I think that everyone who actually got decent at any esport looked up to many Koreans, and so would be incapable of such feelings. My guess is that this is a very telling analysis.

I guess ppl like Nathanias saying "F**k Korea" basically every 2 streams doesn't help


What? I don't have anything against Koreans. The only community in StarCraft that I dump on is BW Elitists because they deserve it. Anyone could have easily just been fans of both games and recognized a united scene is better than a divided one. Thanks for playing though!

How about you dont flame people who like BW but not SC2? Is that unreasonable? Flash is the greatest RTS player of all time and its logically impossible for a SC2 player to steal that throne.

Also it would be nice if one caster said something about this in support of Korea.

Instead all we have had is Incontrol saying that Korea doesnt deserve commentary (on reddit).

I hope Artosis at least says something, he's the only one I trust.


Link to that please, that can´t be true.

Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Kalera
Profile Joined January 2018
United States338 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-01 03:50:48
November 01 2018 03:47 GMT
#211
https://twitter.com/esportstarcraft/status/1057830987936059392?s=21
We were overwhelmed by the passion from the Korean StarCraft community for the #WCS Global Finals, and have worked alongside LuciaTV to improve the broadcast.

Now to be held in VSL studio w/ GoliathMonster, Ragnarok, MC & Leenock; all community casters helping SC2 grow in Korea

Looks like a step in the right direction. Still would have been nice if they could have worked something out with the professional Korean casting team, but it's too late for that now.
OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
November 01 2018 04:36 GMT
#212
On October 28 2018 18:40 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2018 18:38 DarkGamer wrote:
english is THE language all over the world.

it isn't


No but it is basically the trade language, I get what he is saying even if I do believe koreans should get their own casting!
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
November 01 2018 05:46 GMT
#213
MC and Leenock cast you say? Might watch some of that instead :p
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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
November 01 2018 06:52 GMT
#214
Yeah, when I tuned in on the english stream, the one thing i was thinking to myself... well, they sure had a lot of casters! Didn't realise that it was at the expense of korean ones...
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
November 01 2018 06:54 GMT
#215
On October 31 2018 21:31 Rodya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 06:10 Nathanias wrote:
On October 29 2018 02:58 AntiHack wrote:
On October 28 2018 23:01 Rodya wrote:
By the way, I find it telling that people tell Koreans to "just watch the English stream, whats the big deal?" and at the same time say that it's fine that the English commentarys have a massive foreigner bias in their analysis/commentary "because it's the english/foreigner stream".

I will never understand the contempt some people in the community have for Koreans. I think that everyone who actually got decent at any esport looked up to many Koreans, and so would be incapable of such feelings. My guess is that this is a very telling analysis.

I guess ppl like Nathanias saying "F**k Korea" basically every 2 streams doesn't help


What? I don't have anything against Koreans. The only community in StarCraft that I dump on is BW Elitists because they deserve it. Anyone could have easily just been fans of both games and recognized a united scene is better than a divided one. Thanks for playing though!

How about you dont flame people who like BW but not SC2? Is that unreasonable? Flash is the greatest RTS player of all time and its logically impossible for a SC2 player to steal that throne.

Also it would be nice if one caster said something about this in support of Korea. Instead all we have had is Incontrol saying that Korea doesnt deserve commentary (on reddit). I hope Artosis at least says something, he's the only one I trust.

Referencing the bold text... I tried to look for this but couldn't find it. Do you have the link?
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
November 01 2018 07:09 GMT
#216
you guys are quite silly to say they are funding foreign commentary over korean because of warchest support.
it takes a special type of dense for that to be the only reason.
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Zephyp
Profile Joined April 2013
238 Posts
November 01 2018 07:15 GMT
#217
On October 28 2018 17:51 Waxangel wrote:
GSL commentator JYP told TeamLiquid.net that "...we were contacted before BlizzCon. Were were told that there was no separate budget for production or appearance fees. AfreecaTV would have been able to provide production/talent appearance support. Howevevr, [WCS at BlizzCon] was an exclusive Twitch stream, so we were unable to."

I'm a bit confused by this. Does that mean the Afreeca team can't participate because of lack of funding or because they can't be part of a Twitch-exclusive event?
fronkschnonk
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany622 Posts
November 01 2018 07:45 GMT
#218
On November 01 2018 16:15 Zephyp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2018 17:51 Waxangel wrote:
GSL commentator JYP told TeamLiquid.net that "...we were contacted before BlizzCon. Were were told that there was no separate budget for production or appearance fees. AfreecaTV would have been able to provide production/talent appearance support. Howevevr, [WCS at BlizzCon] was an exclusive Twitch stream, so we were unable to."

I'm a bit confused by this. Does that mean the Afreeca team can't participate because of lack of funding or because they can't be part of a Twitch-exclusive event?

As far as I understand: Blizzard made a twitch-exclusive deal for Blizz-SC2 events years ago. It also mismanaged to fund a korean cast but afreeca would've jumped in funding their casters by themselves. But afreeca would obviously only do this if they could stream it via their own streaming network afreeca.tv. But they can't because of the twitch-exclusiveness of Blizzcon.
I don't blame Blizzard for the twitch-exclusiveness. Such a situation hardly could've been foreseen back then, when afreeca was a minor player. But not planning for a public korean cast and then being unable to react quickly and fly two casters in ... that's sad.
Furthermore, I consider that some kind of Code A must be reestablished.
nukkuj
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Finland403 Posts
November 01 2018 07:54 GMT
#219
suits ruin the world
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-01 08:35:19
November 01 2018 08:02 GMT
#220
On November 01 2018 12:47 Kalera wrote:
https://twitter.com/esportstarcraft/status/1057830987936059392?s=21
Show nested quote +
We were overwhelmed by the passion from the Korean StarCraft community for the #WCS Global Finals, and have worked alongside LuciaTV to improve the broadcast.

Now to be held in VSL studio w/ GoliathMonster, Ragnarok, MC & Leenock; all community casters helping SC2 grow in Korea

Looks like a step in the right direction. Still would have been nice if they could have worked something out with the professional Korean casting team, but it's too late for that now.


It's not perfect, but they were never gonna fly in the casters last minute or fix the twitch vs afreeca thing on the spot.

That they are at least acknowledging it and improved something is a start.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
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