EPTKorean community outrage over BlizzCon casting - Page 9
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Mudbuddha13
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JAG.war
United States76 Posts
Has there been paid Korean commentary in any years past? Or is this the first time someone has raised the issue. Did someone ask Blizzard for paid Korean commentary, and they said no? Are we talking about paying the Korean GSL casters to do a homebrew cast? Did they even express interest in doing this? To do it at Blizzcon, maybe the added production complexity is unfeasible. Maybe someone with more experience than me can chime in here. As with everything Blizzcon, it's more likely a logistics/production issue than a money issue. They spend crazy amounts of money for an event that seems crazy difficult to pull off. They have a dedicated Blizzcon team that works year-around on the event – it is more complicated than we know. Maybe this is simply an oversight by Blizzard, but maybe not, and I think these are important questions.  | ||
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Matroid_Prime
Canada59 Posts
Before you crap on Blizzard for how they handled this, be happy we even have SC2 still. No need biting the hand that feeds you. | ||
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EvanC
Canada130 Posts
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FrkFrJss
Canada1208 Posts
On October 29 2018 11:08 EvanC wrote: Blizzard needs to understand that without Korean SC2, there would be no foreign scene either. The main storyline of SC2 is foreigners vs Koreans and who can rise to the challenge. The current storyline of foreigner vs Koreans would not exist, but there would definitely be a foreign scene. Back in 2010, most of the non-Korean tournaments featured no Koreans. In fact, the first win by HuK against Kiwikaki featured one Korean, Silver, who is so unknown that I can't actually find a Korean Silver in liquipedia. And if you mean now, there would be no foreign scene without a Korean scene, I would heavily disagree. the WCS storylines can continue, except it would be foreigner vs foreigners rather than foreigners vs Koreans. Also, don't forget that Blizzard is funding most of the Korean scene, so they are already aware of the importance of the Korean scene. | ||
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Creager
Germany1962 Posts
On October 29 2018 11:49 FrkFrJss wrote: The current storyline of foreigner vs Koreans would not exist, but there would definitely be a foreign scene. Back in 2010, most of the non-Korean tournaments featured no Koreans. In fact, the first win by HuK against Kiwikaki featured one Korean, Silver, who is so unknown that I can't actually find a Korean Silver in liquipedia. And if you mean now, there would be no foreign scene without a Korean scene, I would heavily disagree. the WCS storylines can continue, except it would be foreigner vs foreigners rather than foreigners vs Koreans. Also, don't forget that Blizzard is funding most of the Korean scene, so they are already aware of the importance of the Korean scene. SC2 was specifically designed and advertised to be esports and where does that come from? Right, it all stems from BW‘s history, and ALL of that came from Korea, how one can neglect that is just beyond me... And yes, they are funding most of the scene, or, better put, the tiny core that’s left of it and Blizzard had its fair share in crippling it. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1208 Posts
On October 29 2018 12:58 Creager wrote: SC2 was specifically designed and advertised to be esports and where does that come from? Right, it all stems from BW‘s history, and ALL of that came from Korea, how one can neglect that is just beyond me... And yes, they are funding most of the scene, or, better put, the tiny core that’s left of it and Blizzard had its fair share in crippling it. The quote I am responding to specifically mentioned SC2 Korean Starcraft, so Broodwar really has no bearing on it. For sure, Blizzard has had their share of mismanagement of the esports scene. I think one of them is not creating leagues like it had with HotS and OW. But let's not forget the Korean share in crippling the scene. The mass amount of Koreans competing in every premier tournament from 2011-2015 certainly had a very large role in reducing the scene to what it is now. The Korean lack of interest in SC2 certainly didn't help the Korean scene, and the Life scandal plus the Sbenu scandal certainly didn't do any favours for the Korean scene. Did Blizzard have its share of mismanagement? For sure. Its squabble with KeSPA did no one any favours. However, the Korean scene itself has arguably had an equally large share in crippling itself. | ||
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Creager
Germany1962 Posts
On October 29 2018 13:17 FrkFrJss wrote: The quote I am responding to specifically mentioned SC2 Korean Starcraft, so Broodwar really has no bearing on it. For sure, Blizzard has had their share of mismanagement of the esports scene. I think one of them is not creating leagues like it had with HotS and OW. But let's not forget the Korean share in crippling the scene. The mass amount of Koreans competing in every premier tournament from 2011-2015 certainly had a very large role in reducing the scene to what it is now. The Korean lack of interest in SC2 certainly didn't help the Korean scene, and the Life scandal plus the Sbenu scandal certainly didn't do any favours for the Korean scene. Did Blizzard have its share of mismanagement? For sure. Its squabble with KeSPA did no one any favours. However, the Korean scene itself has arguably had an equally large share in crippling itself. Matchfixing was the last nail in the coffin, though, the lack of interest had more to do with the always online approach, which resulted in limiting the popularity in PC bangs right from the start. The overwhelming presence of Koreans in earlier international events is something I, personally, never had a problem with, as I prefer to see the best players and with the established team infrastructure they just had an immense edge over the international competition. And while I can acknowledge that this drove people off, I again don‘t see the Koreans at fault here, but Blizzard for not having done their homework on how to prevent this. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1208 Posts
On October 29 2018 14:13 Creager wrote: Matchfixing was the last nail in the coffin, though, the lack of interest had more to do with the always online approach, which resulted in limiting the popularity in PC bangs right from the start. The overwhelming presence of Koreans in earlier international events is something I, personally, never had a problem with, as I prefer to see the best players and with the established team infrastructure they just had an immense edge over the international competition. And while I can acknowledge that this drove people off, I again don‘t see the Koreans at fault here, but Blizzard for not having done their homework on how to prevent this. Yes, the biggest problem of SC2 in Korea was that it was never as popular. People grew up with BW, but at the time that SC2 released, fewer people had grown up with SC2, which is why a lot of the pros were former BW players. See I never had a problem with Koreans playing in WCS either. I was very disappointed in 2015 when I heard that very few Koreans would be able to participate in the 2015 WCS. However, I have come to see that see the best players play is not worth the destruction of a particular scene. In watching the foreigners, I have come to greatly appreciate their story lines. I don't think there's anything wrong with having the best players compete, but it has to be done in the correct way. So yes, I don't think you can necessarily blame the Koreans per se, but it is an undeniable truth that Koreans in all premier tournaments certainly shrunk the foreign scenes and markets. I agree that Blizzard not creating separated leagues to begin with was a major error that they corrected in both future esports. HotS has separate regions, and so does Overwatch. Perhaps one cannot fault the Korean players specifically for causing the fall of the foreign scene, but I think their participation is intertwined with Blizzard's mismanagement. Or in other words, without Koreans coming to all premier tournaments, there would be no need for region lock. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
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ilikeredheads
Canada1995 Posts
Riot has both English and Korean casts for their World Championships, so why can't Blizzard? | ||
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Neemi
Netherlands657 Posts
Seriously though, imagine being a Korean who bought the warchest to support the scene you have left, and then hearing that you're not even getting the group of casters you're familiar with from the only 5-6 tournaments that feature Koreans. Blizzcon should be a celebration of Starcraft, with both the best players and casters of the year. | ||
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zerglingling
131 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3774 Posts
On October 29 2018 16:05 ilikeredheads wrote: Blizzard only looks where the money is. Sc2 is not popular in KR while it still is in the rest of the world, so they just pretty much ignored KR. Is it the right thing to do? Of course not Are you sure it's "of course not"? | ||
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AxiomBlurr
786 Posts
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Hillshtify
14 Posts
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Hillshtify
14 Posts
On October 29 2018 17:12 zerglingling wrote: Now you know how we feel when Blizzard steals Tastosis right before the ASL finals. Pretty sure that's not the same thing. | ||
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Varest
Austria44 Posts
On principle though, I'm on board with the idea that Asian video game communities should be encouraged to integrate into the international English speaking scene. If they're lacking a baseline because of a lesser focus on English in their country's educational system, then it's not their fault. Almost everyone I know however, gained most of their English skills through their interest in international entertainment media and web sites, not the school system. And it can't be within a Korean person's own interest to limit their exposure to films, music and whatnot to their own domestic productions. | ||
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
Fxxking Mike Morhine. | ||
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