EPTKorean community outrage over BlizzCon casting - Page 7
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narusensei22
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Sworn
Canada920 Posts
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MrWayne
219 Posts
On October 29 2018 02:09 narusensei22 wrote: Everything is becoming disadvantage for Koreans in sc2 Compared to who? Compared to Germans, Poles or Chinese? Things aren't becoming disadvantages for koreans, they just losing their advantage. Koreans got their advantage in SC:BW because the public interest was there, the same thing just isn't true for Sc2, at least not anymore. | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
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Rodya
546 Posts
On October 29 2018 02:22 MrWayne wrote: Compared to who? Compared to Germans, Poles or Chinese? Things aren't becoming disadvantages for koreans, they just losing their advantage. Koreans got their advantage in SC:BW because the public interest was there, the same thing just isn't true for Sc2, at least not anymore. Yeah, everyone country is region locked. You don't see Germans competing in Polish tournaments - do you? Americans can't play in Korean tournaments, etc. | ||
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I wasbanned fromthis
113 Posts
Germany TaKeTV Poland ESL Poland Poland EmStudio Russia StarLadder France O'gamingTV Mexico HorussTV Brazil DeathzoneTV Taiwan BlizzardZHTW South Korea CranKTV China NetEase Blizzard CN Official China SCBoy | ||
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AntiHack
Switzerland553 Posts
On October 28 2018 23:01 Rodya wrote: By the way, I find it telling that people tell Koreans to "just watch the English stream, whats the big deal?" and at the same time say that it's fine that the English commentarys have a massive foreigner bias in their analysis/commentary "because it's the english/foreigner stream". I will never understand the contempt some people in the community have for Koreans. I think that everyone who actually got decent at any esport looked up to many Koreans, and so would be incapable of such feelings. My guess is that this is a very telling analysis. I guess ppl like Nathanias saying "F**k Korea" basically every 2 streams doesn't help | ||
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AntiHack
Switzerland553 Posts
On October 29 2018 00:23 Geo.Rion wrote: I totally get they want Korean coverage, it is normal however I quietly dare to mention 2 things: A) Korean teens should be encouraged to play/watch e sports in English, because that teaches them the most important international language, and things like these help a lot more than textbooks and such. The English knowledge of the average Korean youth is shamefully bad, for a nation as advanced as that. And you cant really say it's cultural, Japanese youth speak decent English compared to Koreans, as far as i can tell. B) For the longest time we were watching Korean VODs and be super-excited about it, with no chance of an official English cover on the horizon. Then a few fairly bad English casters appeared who recasted korean VODs. FFs, I remember wacthing a VOD from a guy who was casting it from his car, parked in front of the university's library to leech wifi, and I watched it cuz that was the only English cover. User was warned for this post Are you kidding me? They literally invented mainstream e-sport and still represent the vast majority of RTS E-sport. Wake up dude | ||
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KR_4EVR
316 Posts
BTW there are alot of Korean Americans outraged right now over Warner Media closing the (very popular) Korea-English small-screen streaming service DramaFever following the merger with ATT. Why did they do that when it was profitable? Because they wanted to consolidate the programming expertise to launch their new service next year. There are also a lot of Koreans outraged at the USA refusing to conduct the joint military operations this winter. In summary, this is an icy time and I think that the best PR would be to invite caster Park and crew over for the Ro8. | ||
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KR_4EVR
316 Posts
On October 29 2018 02:53 I wasbanned fromthis wrote: Koreans are not alone, are these people getting paid? Germany TaKeTV Poland ESL Poland Poland EmStudio Russia StarLadder France O'gamingTV Mexico HorussTV Brazil DeathzoneTV Taiwan BlizzardZHTW South Korea CranKTV China NetEase Blizzard CN Official China SCBoy This does not compare. None of these countires have a player who is going to be the winner of this year's WCS Global Finals. Each of these countries has good high-profile events supported by Blizzard at least in part. Poland gets IEM Katovice China has WESG France has Nationwars Mexico has Copa America etc. I'm not saying this is a replacement, but look: chances are, 75% of the ppl in the Blizzcon RO8 are Korean. Therefore, you should have someone casting in Korean, no? | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On October 29 2018 02:53 I wasbanned fromthis wrote: Koreans are not alone, are these people getting paid? Germany TaKeTV Poland ESL Poland Poland EmStudio Russia StarLadder France O'gamingTV Mexico HorussTV Brazil DeathzoneTV Taiwan BlizzardZHTW South Korea CranKTV China NetEase Blizzard CN Official China SCBoy Do you seriously not think South Korea has a historically distinct role in Starcraft that befits their own stream? It's awful for the game if we lose the South Korean scene as a distinct and privileged space. It's brought us practically all of the best players of our game, the best set of institutions, the most important tournament. Blizzard divesting from them is shameful and an awful sign for the future of our game. | ||
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I wasbanned fromthis
113 Posts
On October 29 2018 03:35 KR_4EVR wrote: This does not compare. None of these countires have a player who is going to be the winner of this year's WCS Global Finals. Each of these countries has good high-profile events supported by Blizzard at least in part. Poland gets IEM Katovice China has WESG France has Nationwars Mexico has Copa America etc. I'm not saying this is a replacement, but look: chances are, 75% of the ppl in the Blizzcon RO8 are Korean. Therefore, you should have someone casting in Korean, no? Comparatively fair enough. I was of emphasising, the broad range of talent that still commits time, and blizzard profits, no kick back to the small guys, and the lack of respect they give them as well. I agree with you, certainly in regards to the talent pool being Korean. It's obvious, Korean commentary should be contracted. There are post game commentary interviews with translation, just for English speakers.. It's a blatant error of blizzards caliber, its the type of company to go ahead and drop a ball like this. They've done questionable things for years, and whatever ripples are made simmer -till the next event. It's funny how quick this thing will blow over, maybe an apology or a commitment to provide talent next year, or some reconciliation comes about, but not before blizzard puts on the deer in the head lights face and generate a public response. dust in the wind ;/ | ||
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I wasbanned fromthis
113 Posts
On October 29 2018 03:47 Oreo7 wrote: Do you seriously not think . hold your salt, and get off a the trashing bandwagon. I was pointing out how much talent outside the contracted talent pool, contributes to Blizzard and doesnt get paid. DO YOU SERIOUSLY NOT THINK?. of course they should have been with this event. ffs, tasteless and artosis cast korean events for english people. Blizzard, reciprocate. | ||
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MrWayne
219 Posts
On October 29 2018 02:33 Rodya wrote: Yeah, everyone country is region locked. You don't see Germans competing in Polish tournaments - do you? Americans can't play in Korean tournaments, etc. Is the region lock really the only counter argument you could come up with? GSL is structured in a way that requires to basically live a few weeks in korea if you want to play in it and even the GSL super tournament requires foreigners to book two fleights to korea or live there for a bit because the offline qualifier and the actual event are so far apart. So as a korean you can compete for roughly 530000$ with everyone else who lives in korea. You can live at home and get to those tournaments by car, bus or train. As a foreigner you have to move to a country with a very different language and culture than your own or you compete in the WCS Circuit with everyone else around the globe where you have to fly around the globe and book hotels for several days to attend in the Circuit tournaments. Alone the fact that WCS is split into korea and Circuit should indicate to you that Blizzard doesn't treat every country equally. And yes I say Blizzard because Blizzard is the main sponsor for both WCS korea and WCS. | ||
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BjoernK
194 Posts
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
On October 29 2018 04:10 MrWayne wrote: Is the region lock really the only counter argument you could come up with? GSL is structured in a way that requires to basically live a few weeks in korea if you want to play in it and even the GSL super tournament requires foreigners to book two fleights to korea or live there for a bit because the offline qualifier and the actual event are so far apart. So as a korean you can compete for roughly 530000$ with everyone else who lives in korea. You can live at home and get to those tournaments by car, bus or train. As a foreigner you have to move to a country with a very different language and culture than your own or you compete in the WCS Circuit with everyone else around the globe where you have to fly around the globe and book hotels for several days to attend in the Circuit tournaments. Alone the fact that WCS is split into korea and Circuit should indicate to you that Blizzard doesn't treat every country equally. And yes I say Blizzard because Blizzard is the main sponsor for both WCS korea and WCS. You didn't get the memo. Blizzard are ruining everything and hate the koreans. Despite the fact that they are paying for the entire thing with god knows what return. | ||
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MrWayne
219 Posts
On October 29 2018 03:35 KR_4EVR wrote: This does not compare. None of these countires have a player who is going to be the winner of this year's WCS Global Finals. Each of these countries has good high-profile events supported by Blizzard at least in part. Poland gets IEM Katovice China has WESG France has Nationwars Mexico has Copa America etc. I'm not saying this is a replacement, but look: chances are, 75% of the ppl in the Blizzcon RO8 are Korean. Therefore, you should have someone casting in Korean, no? Shouldn't be viewers per country/language be the much more important stat for Blizzard in this regard? When I look at the numbers the korean stream has currently 2300 viewers, both the french stream (4500) and the russian stream (5700) have much more viewers than the korean one. That's at least an argument for Blizzards decision. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On October 29 2018 01:40 yht9657 wrote: LOLed at those West-elitists who believe everyone in East Asia should just git gud on English. It' s 1000 times easier for a European to learn English than a East-Asian, Chinese, Korean and Japanese have a compeletely different structure than Indo-European languages. East-Asian children already have to suffer the most difficult education and competition in the world while forced to learn a completely foreign language at the same time. Maybe you can try imagine being forced to learn Korean or Chinese from elementary school and see how good you can be at it? Fair enough. Now I feel like a fool buying those freaking warchests. English is not that hard language at all. | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2634 Posts
On October 29 2018 04:58 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: English is not that hard language at all. It depends on your native tongue..... | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
Finnish is Uralic language. | ||
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