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On October 29 2018 05:00 Brutaxilos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 04:58 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On October 29 2018 01:40 yht9657 wrote:
LOLed at those West-elitists who believe everyone in East Asia should just git gud on English.
It' s 1000 times easier for a European to learn English than a East-Asian, Chinese, Korean and Japanese have a compeletely different structure than Indo-European languages. East-Asian children already have to suffer the most difficult education and competition in the world while forced to learn a completely foreign language at the same time. Maybe you can try imagine being forced to learn Korean or Chinese from elementary school and see how good you can be at it?
Fair enough. Now I feel like a fool buying those freaking warchests. English is not that hard language at all. It depends on your native tongue.....
Not really. Ofcourse it will be alot harder for a Korean than for a french guy to learn english. But for the type of language that english is, it really is a quite easy to learn language - at least on a basic level.
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On October 29 2018 04:58 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 01:40 yht9657 wrote:
LOLed at those West-elitists who believe everyone in East Asia should just git gud on English.
It' s 1000 times easier for a European to learn English than a East-Asian, Chinese, Korean and Japanese have a compeletely different structure than Indo-European languages. East-Asian children already have to suffer the most difficult education and competition in the world while forced to learn a completely foreign language at the same time. Maybe you can try imagine being forced to learn Korean or Chinese from elementary school and see how good you can be at it?
Fair enough. Now I feel like a fool buying those freaking warchests. English is not that hard language at all.
This doesn't even make sense, which totally disproves your point. As a sentence it is in coherent and lacks context. Not to mention it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
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On October 29 2018 05:08 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 05:00 Brutaxilos wrote:On October 29 2018 04:58 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On October 29 2018 01:40 yht9657 wrote:
LOLed at those West-elitists who believe everyone in East Asia should just git gud on English.
It' s 1000 times easier for a European to learn English than a East-Asian, Chinese, Korean and Japanese have a compeletely different structure than Indo-European languages. East-Asian children already have to suffer the most difficult education and competition in the world while forced to learn a completely foreign language at the same time. Maybe you can try imagine being forced to learn Korean or Chinese from elementary school and see how good you can be at it?
Fair enough. Now I feel like a fool buying those freaking warchests. English is not that hard language at all. It depends on your native tongue..... Finnish is Uralic language.
Yeah Finnish and Hungarian are not Indo-European, but most of Europe still is.
English is definitely one of the easiest language in the world, but still it's COMPLETELY different from East-Aisan languages, and there is hardly any English-speaking environment there either.
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Twitch is not even a sponsor. So what the actual duck?
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On October 29 2018 04:57 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 04:10 MrWayne wrote:On October 29 2018 02:33 Rodya wrote:On October 29 2018 02:22 MrWayne wrote:On October 29 2018 02:09 narusensei22 wrote:
Everything is becoming disadvantage for Koreans in sc2 Compared to who? Compared to Germans, Poles or Chinese? Things aren't becoming disadvantages for koreans, they just losing their advantage. Koreans got their advantage in SC:BW because the public interest was there, the same thing just isn't true for Sc2, at least not anymore. Yeah, everyone country is region locked. You don't see Germans competing in Polish tournaments - do you? Americans can't play in Korean tournaments, etc. Is the region lock really the only counter argument you could come up with? GSL is structured in a way that requires to basically live a few weeks in korea if you want to play in it and even the GSL super tournament requires foreigners to book two fleights to korea or live there for a bit because the offline qualifier and the actual event are so far apart. So as a korean you can compete for roughly 530000$ with everyone else who lives in korea. You can live at home and get to those tournaments by car, bus or train. As a foreigner you have to move to a country with a very different language and culture than your own or you compete in the WCS Circuit with everyone else around the globe where you have to fly around the globe and book hotels for several days to attend in the Circuit tournaments. Alone the fact that WCS is split into korea and Circuit should indicate to you that Blizzard doesn't treat every country equally. And yes I say Blizzard because Blizzard is the main sponsor for both WCS korea and WCS. You didn't get the memo. Blizzard are ruining everything and hate the koreans. Despite the fact that they are paying for the entire thing with god knows what return.
Well, first and foremost, it's Blizzard's product and all events where their games are played are advertisement for their respective product, BlizzCon is a HUGE advertisement event for their brands and IPs, so I don't see why they shouldn't pay for that.
Having the community partly finance the events is just them cutting on the cost and while I can see the win-win-situation, this simply does not happen in 'real' sports, as a sport isn't someone's IP.
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On October 29 2018 05:08 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 05:00 Brutaxilos wrote:On October 29 2018 04:58 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On October 29 2018 01:40 yht9657 wrote:
LOLed at those West-elitists who believe everyone in East Asia should just git gud on English.
It' s 1000 times easier for a European to learn English than a East-Asian, Chinese, Korean and Japanese have a compeletely different structure than Indo-European languages. East-Asian children already have to suffer the most difficult education and competition in the world while forced to learn a completely foreign language at the same time. Maybe you can try imagine being forced to learn Korean or Chinese from elementary school and see how good you can be at it?
Fair enough. Now I feel like a fool buying those freaking warchests. English is not that hard language at all. It depends on your native tongue..... Finnish is Uralic language.
That still doesn't really matter. Even in different language families, some languages still share similar grammar structure/honorifics etc. (For example, Basque has the similar grammar structure to Japanese and Korean despite being completely unrelated). Maybe English was easy for you to learn because you just have a better affinity for picking up new languages. Maybe it's because there are still some similarities (non-vocabulary) between English and Finnish. But you can't judge people from another background for not learning a language as well as you can.
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On October 29 2018 01:40 yht9657 wrote:
LOLed at those West-elitists who believe everyone in East Asia should just git gud on English.
It' s 1000 times easier for a European to learn English than a East-Asian, Chinese, Korean and Japanese have a compeletely different structure than Indo-European languages. East-Asian children already have to suffer the most difficult education and competition in the world while forced to learn a completely foreign language at the same time. Maybe you can try imagine being forced to learn Korean or Chinese from elementary school and see how good you can be at it?
Fair enough. Now I feel like a fool buying those freaking warchests.
Eh, most people in East-Asia do learn english at a very high level, however their system doesn't have any focus on conversational skills or situational English. Practice is important.
I do think they deserve localized content, though. Those scenes are a big part of this game.
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On October 29 2018 05:15 Creager wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 04:57 Pr0wler wrote:On October 29 2018 04:10 MrWayne wrote:On October 29 2018 02:33 Rodya wrote:On October 29 2018 02:22 MrWayne wrote:On October 29 2018 02:09 narusensei22 wrote:
Everything is becoming disadvantage for Koreans in sc2 Compared to who? Compared to Germans, Poles or Chinese? Things aren't becoming disadvantages for koreans, they just losing their advantage. Koreans got their advantage in SC:BW because the public interest was there, the same thing just isn't true for Sc2, at least not anymore. Yeah, everyone country is region locked. You don't see Germans competing in Polish tournaments - do you? Americans can't play in Korean tournaments, etc. Is the region lock really the only counter argument you could come up with? GSL is structured in a way that requires to basically live a few weeks in korea if you want to play in it and even the GSL super tournament requires foreigners to book two fleights to korea or live there for a bit because the offline qualifier and the actual event are so far apart. So as a korean you can compete for roughly 530000$ with everyone else who lives in korea. You can live at home and get to those tournaments by car, bus or train. As a foreigner you have to move to a country with a very different language and culture than your own or you compete in the WCS Circuit with everyone else around the globe where you have to fly around the globe and book hotels for several days to attend in the Circuit tournaments. Alone the fact that WCS is split into korea and Circuit should indicate to you that Blizzard doesn't treat every country equally. And yes I say Blizzard because Blizzard is the main sponsor for both WCS korea and WCS. You didn't get the memo. Blizzard are ruining everything and hate the koreans. Despite the fact that they are paying for the entire thing with god knows what return. Well, first and foremost, it's Blizzard's product and all events where their games are played are advertisement for their respective product, BlizzCon is a HUGE advertisement event for their brands and IPs, so I don't see why they shouldn't pay for that. Having the community partly finance the events is just them cutting on the cost and while I can see the win-win-situation, this simply does not happen in 'real' sports, as a sport isn't someone's IP.
Most of e-sport doesn't work that way too.
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On October 29 2018 05:20 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 01:40 yht9657 wrote:
LOLed at those West-elitists who believe everyone in East Asia should just git gud on English.
It' s 1000 times easier for a European to learn English than a East-Asian, Chinese, Korean and Japanese have a compeletely different structure than Indo-European languages. East-Asian children already have to suffer the most difficult education and competition in the world while forced to learn a completely foreign language at the same time. Maybe you can try imagine being forced to learn Korean or Chinese from elementary school and see how good you can be at it?
Fair enough. Now I feel like a fool buying those freaking warchests. Eh, most people in East-Asia do learn english at a very high level, however their system doesn't have any focus on conversational skills or situational English. Practice is important. I do think they deserve localized content, though. Those scenes are a big part of this game.
The biggest difference between East Asia and Europe is that in Europe, English is sort of a Lingua Franca. Almost everyone (at least in Western Europe) is expected to at least speak a little bit of English. In Asia, a lot of the younger population learned English in school, but never really "need" to learn to speak it in an actual conversation with foreigners. They can still get by their entire lives never needing to learn English.
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On October 29 2018 05:11 Ve5pa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 04:58 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On October 29 2018 01:40 yht9657 wrote:
LOLed at those West-elitists who believe everyone in East Asia should just git gud on English.
It' s 1000 times easier for a European to learn English than a East-Asian, Chinese, Korean and Japanese have a compeletely different structure than Indo-European languages. East-Asian children already have to suffer the most difficult education and competition in the world while forced to learn a completely foreign language at the same time. Maybe you can try imagine being forced to learn Korean or Chinese from elementary school and see how good you can be at it?
Fair enough. Now I feel like a fool buying those freaking warchests. English is not that hard language at all. This doesn't even make sense, which totally disproves your point. As a sentence it is in coherent and lacks context. Not to mention it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
Its just response to what I quoted. "It' s 1000 times easier for a European"
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On October 28 2018 18:38 DarkGamer wrote:
I think it would be great for the koreans to have a korean caster team.
but on the other hand why cant the korean watch the english stream?
english is THE language all over the world.
there are players and spectators from all over the world whose first language isnt english too.
im from germany and i dont demand a german stream.
the absolute state of this comment, having commentary in your own language and with familiar faces of your local community is the most basic thing one could ask for
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no matter what you say it is so true that Koreans are in disadvantage in sc2 scene for sure. region lock is unfair for Koreans for going blizzcon for $280K !!
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On October 29 2018 05:15 Creager wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 04:57 Pr0wler wrote:On October 29 2018 04:10 MrWayne wrote:On October 29 2018 02:33 Rodya wrote:On October 29 2018 02:22 MrWayne wrote:On October 29 2018 02:09 narusensei22 wrote:
Everything is becoming disadvantage for Koreans in sc2 Compared to who? Compared to Germans, Poles or Chinese? Things aren't becoming disadvantages for koreans, they just losing their advantage. Koreans got their advantage in SC:BW because the public interest was there, the same thing just isn't true for Sc2, at least not anymore. Yeah, everyone country is region locked. You don't see Germans competing in Polish tournaments - do you? Americans can't play in Korean tournaments, etc. Is the region lock really the only counter argument you could come up with? GSL is structured in a way that requires to basically live a few weeks in korea if you want to play in it and even the GSL super tournament requires foreigners to book two fleights to korea or live there for a bit because the offline qualifier and the actual event are so far apart. So as a korean you can compete for roughly 530000$ with everyone else who lives in korea. You can live at home and get to those tournaments by car, bus or train. As a foreigner you have to move to a country with a very different language and culture than your own or you compete in the WCS Circuit with everyone else around the globe where you have to fly around the globe and book hotels for several days to attend in the Circuit tournaments. Alone the fact that WCS is split into korea and Circuit should indicate to you that Blizzard doesn't treat every country equally. And yes I say Blizzard because Blizzard is the main sponsor for both WCS korea and WCS. You didn't get the memo. Blizzard are ruining everything and hate the koreans. Despite the fact that they are paying for the entire thing with god knows what return. Well, first and foremost, it's Blizzard's product and all events where their games are played are advertisement for their respective product, BlizzCon is a HUGE advertisement event for their brands and IPs, so I don't see why they shouldn't pay for that. Having the community partly finance the events is just them cutting on the cost and while I can see the win-win-situation, this simply does not happen in 'real' sports, as a sport isn't someone's IP.
And where does the evil korean hating racist Blizzard fit in that picture ? This entire thing exists only because Blizzard still thinks that SC2 has any value(more sentimental than anything else). These progamers have a cereer only because a company decided to spend its marketing budget on esports and not on something else. As soon as they cut the life support, this esport scene will collapse.
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Yeah, this seems like the left hand not talking to the right hand at Blizzard, not Blizzard spiking Koreans.
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On October 29 2018 06:51 veniss wrote:
Yeah, this seems like the left hand not talking to the right hand at Blizzard, not Blizzard spiking Koreans.
I mean, they did drop the ball with the lack of GSL commentators. That was a pretty big mistake. However, they did include a Korean commentator (regardless of amateur or professional). Obviously, people wanted professional commentators, but it's not like Blizzard gave them absolutely zero coverage. So it is rather weird when people start pulling the "Blizzard hates Korean Starcraft and wants only foreigners to win" when they're funding like most of the Korean scene.
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On October 29 2018 06:29 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 05:15 Creager wrote:On October 29 2018 04:57 Pr0wler wrote:On October 29 2018 04:10 MrWayne wrote:On October 29 2018 02:33 Rodya wrote:On October 29 2018 02:22 MrWayne wrote:On October 29 2018 02:09 narusensei22 wrote:
Everything is becoming disadvantage for Koreans in sc2 Compared to who? Compared to Germans, Poles or Chinese? Things aren't becoming disadvantages for koreans, they just losing their advantage. Koreans got their advantage in SC:BW because the public interest was there, the same thing just isn't true for Sc2, at least not anymore. Yeah, everyone country is region locked. You don't see Germans competing in Polish tournaments - do you? Americans can't play in Korean tournaments, etc. Is the region lock really the only counter argument you could come up with? GSL is structured in a way that requires to basically live a few weeks in korea if you want to play in it and even the GSL super tournament requires foreigners to book two fleights to korea or live there for a bit because the offline qualifier and the actual event are so far apart. So as a korean you can compete for roughly 530000$ with everyone else who lives in korea. You can live at home and get to those tournaments by car, bus or train. As a foreigner you have to move to a country with a very different language and culture than your own or you compete in the WCS Circuit with everyone else around the globe where you have to fly around the globe and book hotels for several days to attend in the Circuit tournaments. Alone the fact that WCS is split into korea and Circuit should indicate to you that Blizzard doesn't treat every country equally. And yes I say Blizzard because Blizzard is the main sponsor for both WCS korea and WCS. You didn't get the memo. Blizzard are ruining everything and hate the koreans. Despite the fact that they are paying for the entire thing with god knows what return. Well, first and foremost, it's Blizzard's product and all events where their games are played are advertisement for their respective product, BlizzCon is a HUGE advertisement event for their brands and IPs, so I don't see why they shouldn't pay for that. Having the community partly finance the events is just them cutting on the cost and while I can see the win-win-situation, this simply does not happen in 'real' sports, as a sport isn't someone's IP. And where does the evil korean hating racist Blizzard fit in that picture ? This entire thing exists only because Blizzard still thinks that SC2 has any value(more sentimental than anything else). These progamers have a cereer only because a company decided to spend its marketing budget on esports and not on something else. As soon as they cut the life support, this esport scene will collapse.
Well, aside from still providing funds for GSL, massive mismanagement of the Korean scene over the lifespan of SC2 and the whole region lock thing clearly indicates that Blizzard thinks reaching out to the foreign market will benefit them more than catering towards the Korean playerbase.
And I never said that they are evil or racist, it's just that they seemingly are still somewhat invested in Korean StarCraft because a lot of foreign fans/viewers still deem the Koreans the overall best players (and rightfully so, IMO).
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Thats just ridiculous. We have 10+ english caster/host/talent which half of them isnt really needed. How hard can it be to get a host and two decent korean casters, even if you have to use not official GSL ones?
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This seems dumb. Korea is important in terms of nurturing a talent pool. SC's mindshare matters for the game's health.
That said We're getting an ASL KSL show match so I did really want that.
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On October 29 2018 06:29 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 05:15 Creager wrote:On October 29 2018 04:57 Pr0wler wrote:On October 29 2018 04:10 MrWayne wrote:On October 29 2018 02:33 Rodya wrote:On October 29 2018 02:22 MrWayne wrote:On October 29 2018 02:09 narusensei22 wrote:
Everything is becoming disadvantage for Koreans in sc2 Compared to who? Compared to Germans, Poles or Chinese? Things aren't becoming disadvantages for koreans, they just losing their advantage. Koreans got their advantage in SC:BW because the public interest was there, the same thing just isn't true for Sc2, at least not anymore. Yeah, everyone country is region locked. You don't see Germans competing in Polish tournaments - do you? Americans can't play in Korean tournaments, etc. Is the region lock really the only counter argument you could come up with? GSL is structured in a way that requires to basically live a few weeks in korea if you want to play in it and even the GSL super tournament requires foreigners to book two fleights to korea or live there for a bit because the offline qualifier and the actual event are so far apart. So as a korean you can compete for roughly 530000$ with everyone else who lives in korea. You can live at home and get to those tournaments by car, bus or train. As a foreigner you have to move to a country with a very different language and culture than your own or you compete in the WCS Circuit with everyone else around the globe where you have to fly around the globe and book hotels for several days to attend in the Circuit tournaments. Alone the fact that WCS is split into korea and Circuit should indicate to you that Blizzard doesn't treat every country equally. And yes I say Blizzard because Blizzard is the main sponsor for both WCS korea and WCS. You didn't get the memo. Blizzard are ruining everything and hate the koreans. Despite the fact that they are paying for the entire thing with god knows what return. Well, first and foremost, it's Blizzard's product and all events where their games are played are advertisement for their respective product, BlizzCon is a HUGE advertisement event for their brands and IPs, so I don't see why they shouldn't pay for that. Having the community partly finance the events is just them cutting on the cost and while I can see the win-win-situation, this simply does not happen in 'real' sports, as a sport isn't someone's IP. And where does the evil korean hating racist Blizzard fit in that picture ? This entire thing exists only because Blizzard still thinks that SC2 has any value(more sentimental than anything else). These progamers have a cereer only because a company decided to spend its marketing budget on esports and not on something else. As soon as they cut the life support, this esport scene will collapse.
it will decline; it won't completely collapse. There are many grassroots events still running that do not rely on Blizzard funding. Contrast that with OWL. Once Blizzard stops funding OWL then OW esports is dead.
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