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Creager
Germany1946 Posts
On October 29 2018 00:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Uncle Mike leaves Blizzard and already stuff is falling through the cracks for his favourite part of BlizzCon. Blizzard is starting to become just another video game developer. sad stuff. Wow, definitely would not have expected such a comment from you! Kudos, Jimmy! | ||
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Rodya
546 Posts
On October 28 2018 23:42 travis wrote: I don't think it's foreigner bias. It's underdog bias. These commentators were playing broodwar, when the struggle was *really* real. When any foreigner ever winning any sort of competitive game vs a korean was something that was talked about for weeks. Underdog bias? When are they ever biased against Serral in any of his matches? I've never seen it. | ||
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lechatnoir
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Ve5pa
United Kingdom252 Posts
On October 29 2018 00:23 Geo.Rion wrote: I totally get they want Korean coverage, it is normal however I quietly dare to mention 2 things: A) Korean teens should be encouraged to play/watch e sports in English, because that teaches them the most important international language, and things like these help a lot more than textbooks and such. The English knowledge of the average Korean youth is shamefully bad, for a nation as advanced as that. And you cant really say it's cultural, Japanese youth speak decent English compared to Koreans, as far as i can tell. Quite possibly the most ignorant thing I've ever read on these forums. | ||
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Anc13nt
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lechatnoir
392 Posts
What nonsense! | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On October 29 2018 00:30 Rodya wrote: Underdog bias? When are they ever biased against Serral in any of his matches? I've never seen it. That's not the same, because Serral's story *is* the quintessential underdog story. It's the foreigner that dominates like the korean champions do. I think that if Serral could keep it up for long enough, they will be biased against him. I mean what is the alternative explanation. That Tastosis and co are just racist? That doesn't even make any sense. They want to see foreigners do well because it is new and unexpected and that is fun. | ||
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Nerdmigo79
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On October 29 2018 00:59 Nerdmigo79 wrote: We owe a lot to the Korean scene.. like maybe even esports in general, so it feels really disrespectful of Blizzard. I imagine there is a lot of markting/brand management/license stuff going on in the background but still, its not ok, you can do better Blizzard. I agree. Whether or not it was smart in a business sense, this is almost a symbolic betrayal of Korean scene. I really cannot understand for the life of me why some people are thinking like "Korea is just another country so cry me a river if they're not getting some sort of privileged treatment." That just flies in the face of how important the Korean scene has been for SC2. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On October 29 2018 00:23 Geo.Rion wrote: I totally get they want Korean coverage, it is normal however I quietly dare to mention 2 things: A) Korean teens should be encouraged to play/watch e sports in English, because that teaches them the most important international language, and things like these help a lot more than textbooks and such. The English knowledge of the average Korean youth is shamefully bad, for a nation as advanced as that. And you cant really say it's cultural, Japanese youth speak decent English compared to Koreans, as far as i can tell. B) For the longest time we were watching Korean VODs and be super-excited about it, with no chance of an official English cover on the horizon. Then a few fairly bad English casters appeared who recasted korean VODs. FFs, I remember wacthing a VOD from a guy who was casting it from his car, parked in front of the university's library to leech wifi, and I watched it cuz that was the only English cover. User was warned for this post I really wonder how a post like his gets a warning. Why is this even a discussion thread when the allowed opinion is predefined? | ||
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Tappo
101 Posts
On October 29 2018 00:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Uncle Mike leaves Blizzard and already stuff is falling through the cracks for his favourite part of BlizzCon. Blizzard is starting to become just another video game developer. sad stuff. Post your internal documents that morhaime made the decision on casting distribution | ||
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Rodya
546 Posts
On October 29 2018 00:54 travis wrote: That's not the same, because Serral's story *is* the quintessential underdog story. It's the foreigner that dominates like the korean champions do. I think that if Serral could keep it up for long enough, they will be biased against him. I mean what is the alternative explanation. That Tastosis and co are just racist? That doesn't even make any sense. They want to see foreigners do well because it is new and unexpected and that is fun. The alternative explanation is the one the casters themselves give: that they are very biased in favor of foreigners. I don't know what to say, Incontrol and pig and Tasteless in particular say so very clearly, multiple times. Is that racism? Well a bit, although most people are racist to some degree. Listening to what the casters themselves say also sheds light on why your hypothesis is dubious. Firstly, they all say that Serral is a favorite in every match he has played so far, so he's not an underdog. If Serral is the underdog story, then how come he is never painted as the underdog? If you're playing the underdog story, then you should paint his match against sOs as the next giant hurdle that he has to overcome (I mean... it's sOs at Blizzcon, how hard would it be to hype that? And same with his match against Zest... it's freaking Zest). Instead, it was painted as something that he would easily win because he's 'the most dominant player of all time' or something. Secondly, look at the past - we tend to be in love with champions and the casters are no exception. Flash, JD, Innovation, Life, Mvp, Nestea, Taeja - the list goes on. You hear things like "it'd be a great story if X were to win this", but then you hear tons of gushing over the favorite. Also there is a good, balanced way to hype up the underdog and a bad way. The good way can be seen in Snute vs Flash IEM Toronto, where Snute goes up 2-0 I believe and the casters, who are Snute fans, don't stop doing objective analysis as Flash sets up his reverse sweep. The bad way is how they do it now, where everything is painted as part of Serral's grand scheme. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17677 Posts
On October 29 2018 00:29 Creager wrote: Wow, definitely would not have expected such a comment from you! Kudos, Jimmy! if you read my stuff carefully, when Blizzard screws up .. i say so. check my Overwatch comments and my comments in the "Mike is stepping down" thread. i think Blizzard has been amazing for a long time .. but with Pardo, Metzen and Morhaime gone.. is it really the company we grew up with? | ||
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washikie
United States752 Posts
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Wintex
Norway16848 Posts
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Creager
Germany1946 Posts
On October 29 2018 01:12 JimmyJRaynor wrote: if you read my stuff carefully, when Blizzard screws up .. i say so. check my Overwatch comments and my comments in the "Mike is stepping down" thread. i think Blizzard has been amazing for a long time .. but with Pardo, Metzen and Morhaime gone.. is it really the company we grew up with? The signs of Blizzard's downfall were visible way earlier than this, though. Sorry, don't read OW-related stuff, as this game itself is the embodiment of "new Blizzard' to me, I even bought it and tried to give it a chance, but had to ask for a refund. Just glad even people like you who always try to see the positive side (as opposed to me, I know I'm kinda the negative guy) slowly come to realize what has become of Blizzard (I know, what a dramatic and harsh statement, but as someone who has played all of their games throughout the last 20 years or so, I'm just fed up with the direction they've been heading. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On October 29 2018 00:23 Geo.Rion wrote: I totally get they want Korean coverage, it is normal however I quietly dare to mention 2 things: A) Korean teens should be encouraged to play/watch e sports in English, because that teaches them the most important international language, and things like these help a lot more than textbooks and such. The English knowledge of the average Korean youth is shamefully bad, for a nation as advanced as that. And you cant really say it's cultural, Japanese youth speak decent English compared to Koreans, as far as i can tell. B) For the longest time we were watching Korean VODs and be super-excited about it, with no chance of an official English cover on the horizon. Then a few fairly bad English casters appeared who recasted korean VODs. FFs, I remember wacthing a VOD from a guy who was casting it from his car, parked in front of the university's library to leech wifi, and I watched it cuz that was the only English cover. User was warned for this post Why warn this guy wtf. I agree his points aren't really good points as to why Blizzards decision is right but having a differential opinion shouldn't result in a warning. The bottomline in this discussion is that Blizz does whatever they want with their own events and if we want to effect that write to blizzard and vote with your wallet. | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
It' s 1000 times easier for a European to learn English than a East-Asian, Chinese, Korean and Japanese have a compeletely different structure than Indo-European languages. East-Asian children already have to suffer the most difficult education and competition in the world while forced to learn a completely foreign language at the same time. Maybe you can try imagine being forced to learn Korean or Chinese from elementary school and see how good you can be at it? Fair enough. Now I feel like a fool buying those freaking warchests. | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17677 Posts
On October 29 2018 01:32 Creager wrote: The signs of Blizzard's downfall were visible way earlier than this, though. Sorry, don't read OW-related stuff, as this game itself is the embodiment of "new Blizzard' to me, I even bought it and tried to give it a chance, but had to ask for a refund. Just glad even people like you who always try to see the positive side (as opposed to me, I know I'm kinda the negative guy) slowly come to realize what has become of Blizzard (I know, what a dramatic and harsh statement, but as someone who has played all of their games throughout the last 20 years or so, I'm just fed up with the direction they've been heading. pretty off topic but here goes.... + Show Spoiler + i think SC2 is a giant pile of great fun. Its the game I play more than any other Blizzard game. As a result, i see Blizzard as really good. Blizzard whiffed with OW and Heroes of the Storm. It cost Morhaime his job. OW started off nicely making a billion in 10 months. Now it along with Heroes is hemorrhaging users at a scarey pace. Blizzard has lost 9 million users in 10 months and that is primarily from Heroes and OW. OW isn't a disaster.. me and many of my friends thought it was an awesome game for about 6 months. ..it just has no staying power. | ||
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