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Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
October 28 2018 12:25 GMT
#61
On October 28 2018 21:20 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have been always wondering where warchest funds go to? To support scene? But how and where exactly?

Probably for a thing called WCS. You might've heard of it.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
October 28 2018 12:25 GMT
#62
On October 28 2018 21:20 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have been always wondering where warchest funds go to? To support scene? But how and what?

Apart from the last NationWars, they haven't been transparent about where the money goes.

Although it also doubled the prize money of ShoutCraft Kings back then.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16079 Posts
October 28 2018 12:27 GMT
#63
On October 28 2018 21:20 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have been always wondering where warchest funds go to? To support scene? But how and where exactly?

to make the rich guys richer.
The Blizzcon winner getting an extra 80k is really important for keeping the scene alive.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-28 12:31:54
October 28 2018 12:29 GMT
#64
On October 28 2018 21:25 Pr0wler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2018 21:20 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have been always wondering where warchest funds go to? To support scene? But how and where exactly?

Probably for a thing called WCS. You might've heard of it.

So vague. Its never told more precisely. So Blizzard was already paying for WCS before warchest. Now Warchest pays part of it or what? Or "we" funding HomeStory Cup? Or..? Or..?

EDIT: Im not talking about the Blizzcon prize pool. Im talking about the rest of the money
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
October 28 2018 12:40 GMT
#65
On October 28 2018 21:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2018 21:25 Pr0wler wrote:
On October 28 2018 21:20 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have been always wondering where warchest funds go to? To support scene? But how and where exactly?

Probably for a thing called WCS. You might've heard of it.

So vague. Its never told more precisely. So Blizzard was already paying for WCS before warchest. Now Warchest pays part of it or what? Or "we" funding HomeStory Cup? Or..? Or..?

EDIT: Im not talking about the Blizzcon prize pool. Im talking about the rest of the money

I think that it's obvious that the rest of the money goes for WCS and whatever other tournament they decide to fund. Before the warchest they were paying 100%, now they are paying less and are adding crowd funding.

Of course there is the possibility that Kotick bought a new car with the money, but I highly doubt it.
ParksonVN
Profile Joined October 2015
Australia370 Posts
October 28 2018 12:40 GMT
#66
I can imagine how sad and angry all the Korean fans are right now. They have been supporting the scene for years with all the forks around playing other games like LOL, OW... and now they get completely ignored by Blizzard.
Watching English stream for Korean is like watching a Bulgarian or Russian streams for most of you guys, it's just unwatchable.
uummpaa
Profile Joined July 2018
238 Posts
October 28 2018 12:48 GMT
#67
On October 28 2018 21:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2018 21:25 Pr0wler wrote:
On October 28 2018 21:20 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have been always wondering where warchest funds go to? To support scene? But how and where exactly?

Probably for a thing called WCS. You might've heard of it.

So vague. Its never told more precisely. So Blizzard was already paying for WCS before warchest. Now Warchest pays part of it or what? Or "we" funding HomeStory Cup? Or..? Or..?

EDIT: Im not talking about the Blizzcon prize pool. Im talking about the rest of the money


warchests went into IEM WC, shoutcraft, nationwars and blizzcon prizepool, not 100% of it, but i think blizzard earned some money with them as well.

as already mentioned above, they just support already bigger tournaments (nationswars beeing the exeption here) where the prizemoney is already huge, but i guess hype > allowing more pro gamers to earn some money for some people

which is why i skipped the second warchest

for the topic:
warchest or not, blizzard just should pay two korean casters, i think the reasons are (or should be) obvious to anyone....
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
October 28 2018 12:48 GMT
#68
Maybe Blizzard is secretly trying to help educate Koreans by forcing them to learn English, which is the main avenue of breaking the cultural barriers between the western and eastern cultures?

Probably not, but to be fair, gaming really is one of the key sources of English language skills for the young generations in non-English speaking countries, at least by my limited observation of my freinds' kids. Of course it would be nicer for Blizzard to provide Koreans with aq native language stream, but acting like they are some kinds of terrorized victims is way overdone. There has never been a stream of an SC2 event in my native language (I am natively Czech, just living in Poland) and so is the case for a large part of the world.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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uummpaa
Profile Joined July 2018
238 Posts
October 28 2018 12:56 GMT
#69
On October 28 2018 21:48 opisska wrote:
Maybe Blizzard is secretly trying to help educate Koreans by forcing them to learn English, which is the main avenue of breaking the cultural barriers between the western and eastern cultures?

Probably not, but to be fair, gaming really is one of the key sources of English language skills for the young generations in non-English speaking countries, at least by my limited observation of my freinds' kids. Of course it would be nicer for Blizzard to provide Koreans with aq native language stream, but acting like they are some kinds of terrorized victims is way overdone. There has never been a stream of an SC2 event in my native language (I am natively Czech, just living in Poland) and so is the case for a large part of the world.


i didn't know that the czech republic is the dominating force in sc2 (or maybe esports in general) with 50 % of the pros at blizzcon and there very own branch of WCS.

can we please stop to sell the point, that korea is just an other country when it comes to starcraft?
Ve5pa
Profile Joined December 2014
United Kingdom252 Posts
October 28 2018 12:58 GMT
#70
The point about English being a main language in 'the world' is completely redundant when most of the English cast is comprised of meme's anyways.

If the cast used more 'standard English' and not just meme's or 'in jokes' then it would be easier for non native speakers to understand it.

All that besides, when blizzard set up the 2 region system, WCS Circuit and Korea Circuit then surely in terms of competition that states that Korea is equal to the rest of the world, therefore they should have their own cast to go along side the English one. Whilst they do have 'a cast' surely they should invest to give the fans the cast they want. The same guys why cover the Korea Circuit (including GSL's) all year round.
AntiHack
Profile Joined January 2009
Switzerland553 Posts
October 28 2018 13:22 GMT
#71
On October 28 2018 18:38 DarkGamer wrote:
I think it would be great for the koreans to have a korean caster team.

but on the other hand why cant the korean watch the english stream?
english is THE language all over the world.
there are players and spectators from all over the world whose first language isnt english too.
im from germany and i dont demand a german stream.

Koreans commentators have a very different style then western ones, even the few Koreans that speak English get bored to death with the Eng Commentary.

700k$ out of skins, I can't wait for Brood War to have skins too.
"I am very tired of your grammar errors" - Zoler[MB]
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3433 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-28 13:32:43
October 28 2018 13:31 GMT
#72
Beyond stupid. Make the prize pool 100k lower if need be. Koreans are the soul of SC.

I'm glad I skipped on warchest this time around.
xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
627 Posts
October 28 2018 13:32 GMT
#73
Why doesn't Blizzard just fly Crank out right now? Get him out there and get him a plane ticket.
gnuoy00
Profile Joined October 2017
26 Posts
October 28 2018 13:34 GMT
#74
wow ... this is surprising. i dont see how blizzard could not have the budget for this. there are so many things that imho could be cut before korean casting — even prize pool.
Schluppik
Profile Joined October 2018
Germany2 Posts
October 28 2018 13:35 GMT
#75
Btw. The most-spoken language in Europe is German and not English. When I was in the Netherlands and people noticed, I was German they started talking in German instead of English. Same thing happened to me in northern Italy with the exception that these Italians only spoke Italian and German. Just an hour ago I spoke to a German living in Denmark (Sonderborg-region). She can't talk English so I wanted to know how she is communicating with the Danes and she said they all speak German because she is still learning Danish.

What's so weird about Germany is that you are forced to learn more than one foreign language (English is ok) if you go to a grammar school. Why should you learn French? There are only 5 European countries using this language - 3 of them being extremely small - and the rest is in Africa. And Spanish makes even less sense here.
kinsky
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany368 Posts
October 28 2018 13:36 GMT
#76
this is beyond stupid by blizzard. might as well raise the price for sc2 from 0 to 100 dollars. probably has the same effect. well played blizzard.
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-28 13:37:45
October 28 2018 13:36 GMT
#77
On October 28 2018 19:17 RxMidnight wrote:
Blizzard's casual disrespect for the scene that kept their esports relevant for years never ceases to amaze me.


They've honestly disrespected the scene for years with their lack of patching/support, and then when they do patch there's usually massive issues that remain in the game for the next 1-2 years, people realize it's destroying the game, then they come out with another 1 off huge patch that doesn't address any pertinent gameplay issues.

Rinse repeat that cycle - it's all the SC2 community has ever known, which is why some naive people start to get all excited when they hear word of any sort of patch, regardless if the patch doesn't even address pertinent gameplay issues - people are just excited for the bread scraps when it comes to sc2.

It's not surprising this type of debacle it seems blizzard gave up on sc2 a while ago. Mostly it's the community now that keeps the game kind of relevant amongst ourselves.
Sup
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
October 28 2018 13:37 GMT
#78
On October 28 2018 22:35 Schluppik wrote:
Btw. The most-spoken language in Europe is German and not English. When I was in the Netherlands and people noticed, I was German they started talking in German instead of English. Same thing happened to me in northern Italy with the exception that these Italians only spoke Italian and German. Just an hour ago I spoke to a German living in Denmark (Sonderborg-region). She can't talk English so I wanted to know how she is communicating with the Danes and she said they all speak German because she is still learning Danish.

What's so weird about Germany is that you are forced to learn more than one foreign language (English is ok) if you go to a grammar school. Why should you learn French? There are only 5 European countries using this language - 3 of them being extremely small - and the rest is in Africa. And Spanish makes even less sense here.

Start the outrage about german stream ! I mean, this is how the internet works.
Ignorant prodigy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States385 Posts
October 28 2018 13:46 GMT
#79
i get irritated when there's sc2 content not in english.. i'd be livid if blizzcon wasnt in a language i understood

regardless of the excuse.. i feel like this a huge issue
http://www.twitch.tv/ignorantprodigy playing masters random with no hotkeys......big pimpin'
Rodya
Profile Joined January 2018
546 Posts
October 28 2018 13:56 GMT
#80
I hope Innovation and FantaSy return to brood war. The korean brood war scene is strong - they would be properly appreciated there!
Banned for saying "zerg players are by far the biggest whiners in sc2 history" despite the fact that this forum is full of such posts about Terrans. Foreigner Elitists in control!
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