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Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
August 24 2017 04:03 GMT
#41
We need an option to disable skins. That said, some of them, like the ones in OP, are really, really poor. Banelings too
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Sholip
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
Hungary422 Posts
August 24 2017 07:52 GMT
#42
On August 24 2017 10:01 Inazuma wrote:
I think as a rule, skins shouldnt change the ratio of team colors with unit colors.

for example immortals are easily spotted because of their yellow in contrast to stalkers. If you want immortals to have a skin, give it all the decoration you want but keep the yellow.

That, and also it shouldn't change their size. Like Stalkers with the Forged skin are much wider, and so are Oracles. In the case of Stalkers, it also adds to the confusion with Immortals; for other units, it is just simply off-putting.
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hfsrj
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany166 Posts
August 24 2017 08:07 GMT
#43
The option to disable the skins should exist, for the comfort of players.

Also, in production tab, the unit without skin should be shown. I really don't understand what's on the production tab sometimes !
AbouSV
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany1278 Posts
August 24 2017 08:20 GMT
#44
I like the skins for this reason.
That way I'm not the only completly unable to estimate how many unit there are in a glance. I really feel like I'm the only one this bad at it

(The first sentence was sarcastic, I agree with OP)
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
August 24 2017 08:28 GMT
#45
Damn, that picture in the OP is disgusting. I havent encountered such a situation yet, but if i would get owned by it i would feel angry and dissappointed. The only way to combat this is posting on battlenet and stop playing sc2
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fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
August 24 2017 08:52 GMT
#46
First thing you do when you open up a new window in a wall?
You add blinds/shutters/metal bars

This community did ask for these skins
(ergo: blizz experimentation into making people's units look different, that is what it is: implementing differences)
and of course an option added 7 years in should be de-activate-able (sounds reasonable since tournaments will probably ask for it soon/right away)..

..more things change the more they stay the same.

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ps: no skins in brudwurR yet?
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24237 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-24 09:17:34
August 24 2017 09:10 GMT
#47
Let's hope Blizzard will be listening to the community on that one. It's become too much of an issue to be just swept under the rug.

As I said earlier : allow people to customize all races' units. If you want a full on standard game you can have it. If you want dominion fighting taldarim every tvp you can have it. Will give your game a unique feeling without ruining the opponent's experience.
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2601 Posts
August 24 2017 09:44 GMT
#48
On August 24 2017 03:12 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2017 03:00 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Some of these skins are actually really hard to read, but i wouldn't say that "why skins are dumb" really makes a good point at all
I think one should be able to disable skins, people will say that then there is no incentive to buy them but i think most people use skins because they think it looks nice. So i don't buy that argument.

make it so you can customize the skins of your enemy. that makes up for your enemy disabling your skins.
you get your own fully customized experience.

Red Terran with the Dominion skins looks like the Brotherhood of Nod... i was yelling "peace through power" as my siege tanks and upgraded marines decimated my enemy's base.



Hehe that were good times :D
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NspFancy
Profile Joined May 2016
Korea (South)21 Posts
August 24 2017 09:54 GMT
#49
but it makes blizzard a lot of money so lets make more skins
aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-24 10:28:52
August 24 2017 10:25 GMT
#50
On August 24 2017 12:46 beheamothsc wrote:
ye, button needed to remove skins to native. Im not sure at what point everyone started accepting this to be ok with the game industry. We all hated this with a pasion a few years ago, now ur all lapping it up.

Try to release a multiplayer game without customization nowadays. I never was a skin advocate myself, but some of them are nice especially with altered portraits and voice-over and they don't bother me much, even preorder skins in Remastered don't bother me at all. But maybe I'm just an isolated case here.

As bad as you can try to make the present skins look bad, they don't look nearly as unreadable in motion. But again, it may be just me
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-24 10:29:55
August 24 2017 10:27 GMT
#51
On August 24 2017 17:28 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Damn, that picture in the OP is disgusting. I havent encountered such a situation yet, but if i would get owned by it i would feel angry and dissappointed. The only way to combat this is posting on battlenet and stop playing sc2

It's almost like it was intentionally set up to make things look as bad as possible. The only thing they should change are the units in the production tab and other places on the UI.
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314159271828
Profile Joined August 2017
16 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-24 10:33:54
August 24 2017 10:32 GMT
#52
Skins are a great addition to the game -

The problem is not being able to opt out of having the opponents skins shown to you if they distract you or if you simply aestatically preference the vanilla ones.
aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-24 10:37:40
August 24 2017 10:32 GMT
#53
On August 24 2017 19:27 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2017 17:28 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Damn, that picture in the OP is disgusting. I havent encountered such a situation yet, but if i would get owned by it i would feel angry and dissappointed. The only way to combat this is posting on battlenet and stop playing sc2

It's almost like it was intentionally set up to make things look as bad as possible. The only thing they should change are the units in the production tab and other places on the UI.

Wanted to post that originally but thought I'd get immediately bashed, you can easily have similar situations if you want even without skins by choosing particular colors for some maps. If you want the game to look poorly you easily can. Try to play a game with zerg on Acolyte and choose opponent's color to black, then post here how bad it is. Oh and turn off health bars for extra annoyance.

I'm all for no-skins icons on production tabs.

btw why is there no Colossus standing over the army covering half of the units for extra puzzle quality?
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Crookedpinkies
Profile Joined April 2011
United States6 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-24 10:41:29
August 24 2017 10:37 GMT
#54
The issue for me is just the colors. Not so much the armor embellishments. The standard colors for all the units make them easy to distinguish, but when they all have the exact same color scheme, specifically the immortal and stalker, it makes it tough to differentiate.

If they kept some version of the original colors but added the embellishments with some additional coloring to make them all feel apart of the same 'army', which is kind of the point for the war chest skins, then I don't think it would be a problem. But as is, it's irritating not being able to tell sometimes where your immortals are in a big group of stalkers.

EDIT: I also want to point out, just as a matter of opinion, but I really don't like changing the wireframe portraits in the selection window to match the skins. Why not just keep them the same as the original? It seems like over complicating things and it doesn't really serve much of a purpose since that's not the reason people want the skins. Maybe it's not a big deal to most, but I find it annoying.
Deleted User 132135
Profile Joined December 2010
702 Posts
August 24 2017 10:41 GMT
#55
On August 24 2017 03:44 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Allow players to customize their skins and their opponent's, just like for colors. Plain and simple.


I support this. For me the picture looks like one mass of the same.

The question is not if you can see it a bit better when they are moving.

The question is if players should be allowed to create an advantage through this or not. No matter how big that advantage is. The answer to that is easy.
Brainyac
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany199 Posts
August 24 2017 20:08 GMT
#56
On August 24 2017 03:44 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Allow players to customize their skins and their opponent's, just like for colors. Plain and simple.

Couldn't agree more.
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PharaphobiaSC
Profile Joined April 2016
Czech Republic457 Posts
August 24 2017 20:35 GMT
#57
Hopefully this will get ignored...

It is the same old song with everything....

"Hey Blizz we want tu support SC2 eSport giev skins" (three months later) "why skins are dumb" ..... like i don't even know if this is legit... Tournaments doesn't allow skins and THATS THE PLACE WHERE IT ACTUALLY MATTERS... noone cares when ur raging in ur little basement bcs you never learn how to count units..
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
August 24 2017 21:18 GMT
#58
On August 24 2017 19:32 aQuaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2017 19:27 Ansibled wrote:
On August 24 2017 17:28 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Damn, that picture in the OP is disgusting. I havent encountered such a situation yet, but if i would get owned by it i would feel angry and dissappointed. The only way to combat this is posting on battlenet and stop playing sc2

It's almost like it was intentionally set up to make things look as bad as possible. The only thing they should change are the units in the production tab and other places on the UI.

Wanted to post that originally but thought I'd get immediately bashed, you can easily have similar situations if you want even without skins by choosing particular colors for some maps. If you want the game to look poorly you easily can. Try to play a game with zerg on Acolyte and choose opponent's color to black, then post here how bad it is. Oh and turn off health bars for extra annoyance.

I'm all for no-skins icons on production tabs.

btw why is there no Colossus standing over the army covering half of the units for extra puzzle quality?

I'd like to see the picture where you can't tell apart the units with skins disabled.
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DSh1
Profile Joined April 2017
292 Posts
August 24 2017 21:18 GMT
#59
On August 25 2017 05:35 PharaphobiaSC wrote:
Hopefully this will get ignored...

It is the same old song with everything....

"Hey Blizz we want tu support SC2 eSport giev skins" (three months later) "why skins are dumb" ..... like i don't even know if this is legit... Tournaments doesn't allow skins and THATS THE PLACE WHERE IT ACTUALLY MATTERS... noone cares when ur raging in ur little basement bcs you never learn how to count units..


The fallacy of assuming everyone wanted to see skins from your opponents. I think that's the main issue. You may have a different opinion, but you have to admit people do have a point.
reneg
Profile Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
August 24 2017 21:47 GMT
#60
On August 25 2017 05:35 PharaphobiaSC wrote:
Hopefully this will get ignored...

It is the same old song with everything....

"Hey Blizz we want tu support SC2 eSport giev skins" (three months later) "why skins are dumb" ..... like i don't even know if this is legit... Tournaments doesn't allow skins and THATS THE PLACE WHERE IT ACTUALLY MATTERS... noone cares when ur raging in ur little basement bcs you never learn how to count units..


...You're upset because people have pointed out (correctly) that many of the skins look REALLY similar?

OP has a completely valid point, and several skins have been poor since the beginning (when roaches look very similar to tunneling roaches, the lings with wings make it more difficult to see speed / count)

Blizz has shown time and again this isn't something they're really interested in fixing.
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