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i would love to have an option to set default skins on my opponent
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Blizz will never add a option to disable skins.
Because then people cant brag about their skins anymore. Imo one of the main reasons for owning skins is to show off.
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blizz just needs to make it so the skins don't camo other units. whoever designed those skins didn't take camo into account. but we said about this with certain colors and creep before.
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On August 29 2017 15:05 c0sm0naut wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2017 12:56 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 29 2017 07:09 c0sm0naut wrote:On August 25 2017 21:56 PharaphobiaSC wrote:On August 25 2017 19:35 Charoisaur wrote:On August 25 2017 18:33 PharaphobiaSC wrote:
There is not a single game which allows you to turn of skins.. and dont give that SC:R bullshit beucase all that shuts off is MAIN BUILDING SKIN, which is literally the most ignored and least watched building in the game...
So there goes mr. obvious fact...: Why on earth would you pay an art team to make skins and than implementing an option to shut them off? Tournaments do that for a reason, because (and i said that like 4 times already) it matters nowhere else than there....
So there goes typical StarCraft community reaction "fcing blizz cash grab everything costs money and its bad" yet they finally make some profit back from years of investment.... and you are sitting here as a diamond player playing ladder for fun acting like few black stalkers and immortals are ruining the game...
Idk its just sad... The sad thing are those *** who want to force their opponent to see something they don't want to see. There is zero harm to implementing an option to turn off skins. The only people who want to disable them are players who are annoyed by them and if you want to force them to see them anyway you're just a *** who wants to ruin others gaming experience. I bough skins, and I use then when i want... yesterday i played with stock skins... few years ago i bough an stock 97 Supra and I drove stock and noone cares... today its fully moded 650HP non stock car and girls love it and guys wants to have it too... You see the pattern here? U can use it whenever you want, but it generates attention and potenional money to run this damn WCS so you can watch ur pros on streams competing.... god what has TL become literally no one cares about the shitty 1990s ricemobile you've autistically poured thousands of dollars into or your skins. see a pattern here? ur opinion is actually so worthless "Joined: April 2016" sounds about right User was warned for this post if u r implying TL is a place where people new to SC2 and RTS are hanging out.. then i think its fantastic. as RTS games age the ladder becomes a shark infested grinder. New players need a place where they can slowly get better and gradually increase their knowledge and skills so they can actually enjoy 1v1 Ladder. if TL.Net is that place. That's great. If not TL.Net it needs to be someplace else. i think there is good beginner content on TL. and i think its great that it exists. yeah its a great resource for them unfortunately their posts often contribute nothing because they do not read the rules of the forum or the topic they are posting in lets analyze what this kid actually said:
"I bough skins, and I use then when i want... yesterday i played with stock skins... few years ago i bough an stock 97 Supra and I drove stock and noone cares... today its fully moded 650HP non stock car and girls love it and guys wants to have it too... You see the pattern here?
U can use it whenever you want, but it generates attention and potenional money to run this damn WCS so you can watch ur pros on streams competing.... "
After some random shit, he kind of makes a point. (that skins fund WCS) but what kind of thread are we in? a thread asking for an option to disable skins for people who do not want to use them. was his post on topic? no, he talked about his cars, his ownership of skins, then talked about the benefits of new revenue sources for the game is this a topic about his car, his ownership of skins or the benefits of new revenue sources for the game? no, this topic is about establishing a community demand for the ability to disable skins since common sense establishes that having funds for WCS and having a button to disable skins are not mutually exclusive, Mods can easily determine that this post is totally off topic and warn/ban the user for this post. but they dont. and so now this is why TL is the way it is. random kids with "SC" in their name making tangential narcissistic/self-referential posts, wasting our time and not actually engaging with the community in a meaningful way! im not saying to go back to when they used to be absolute sticklers, because that probably scared away a lot of new users, but... come on...
For what it's worth I agree with you.
And as someone with a Quake background I also agree that being forced to see skins that you don't want to see and which might even put you at a disadvantage depending on their readability is a big no-no.
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On August 29 2017 23:18 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2017 15:05 c0sm0naut wrote:On August 29 2017 12:56 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 29 2017 07:09 c0sm0naut wrote:On August 25 2017 21:56 PharaphobiaSC wrote:On August 25 2017 19:35 Charoisaur wrote:On August 25 2017 18:33 PharaphobiaSC wrote:
There is not a single game which allows you to turn of skins.. and dont give that SC:R bullshit beucase all that shuts off is MAIN BUILDING SKIN, which is literally the most ignored and least watched building in the game...
So there goes mr. obvious fact...: Why on earth would you pay an art team to make skins and than implementing an option to shut them off? Tournaments do that for a reason, because (and i said that like 4 times already) it matters nowhere else than there....
So there goes typical StarCraft community reaction "fcing blizz cash grab everything costs money and its bad" yet they finally make some profit back from years of investment.... and you are sitting here as a diamond player playing ladder for fun acting like few black stalkers and immortals are ruining the game...
Idk its just sad... The sad thing are those *** who want to force their opponent to see something they don't want to see. There is zero harm to implementing an option to turn off skins. The only people who want to disable them are players who are annoyed by them and if you want to force them to see them anyway you're just a *** who wants to ruin others gaming experience. I bough skins, and I use then when i want... yesterday i played with stock skins... few years ago i bough an stock 97 Supra and I drove stock and noone cares... today its fully moded 650HP non stock car and girls love it and guys wants to have it too... You see the pattern here? U can use it whenever you want, but it generates attention and potenional money to run this damn WCS so you can watch ur pros on streams competing.... god what has TL become literally no one cares about the shitty 1990s ricemobile you've autistically poured thousands of dollars into or your skins. see a pattern here? ur opinion is actually so worthless "Joined: April 2016" sounds about right User was warned for this post if u r implying TL is a place where people new to SC2 and RTS are hanging out.. then i think its fantastic. as RTS games age the ladder becomes a shark infested grinder. New players need a place where they can slowly get better and gradually increase their knowledge and skills so they can actually enjoy 1v1 Ladder. if TL.Net is that place. That's great. If not TL.Net it needs to be someplace else. i think there is good beginner content on TL. and i think its great that it exists. yeah its a great resource for them unfortunately their posts often contribute nothing because they do not read the rules of the forum or the topic they are posting in lets analyze what this kid actually said:
"I bough skins, and I use then when i want... yesterday i played with stock skins... few years ago i bough an stock 97 Supra and I drove stock and noone cares... today its fully moded 650HP non stock car and girls love it and guys wants to have it too... You see the pattern here?
U can use it whenever you want, but it generates attention and potenional money to run this damn WCS so you can watch ur pros on streams competing.... "
After some random shit, he kind of makes a point. (that skins fund WCS) but what kind of thread are we in? a thread asking for an option to disable skins for people who do not want to use them. was his post on topic? no, he talked about his cars, his ownership of skins, then talked about the benefits of new revenue sources for the game is this a topic about his car, his ownership of skins or the benefits of new revenue sources for the game? no, this topic is about establishing a community demand for the ability to disable skins since common sense establishes that having funds for WCS and having a button to disable skins are not mutually exclusive, Mods can easily determine that this post is totally off topic and warn/ban the user for this post. but they dont. and so now this is why TL is the way it is. random kids with "SC" in their name making tangential narcissistic/self-referential posts, wasting our time and not actually engaging with the community in a meaningful way! im not saying to go back to when they used to be absolute sticklers, because that probably scared away a lot of new users, but... come on... For what it's worth I agree with you. And as someone with a Quake background I also agree that being forced to see skins that you don't want to see and which might even put you at a disadvantage depending on their readability is a big no-no.
As someone with a Quake background you should know that they disabled enemymodels in Quake Champions because of skins  )
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On August 29 2017 23:51 PharaphobiaSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2017 23:18 207aicila wrote:On August 29 2017 15:05 c0sm0naut wrote:On August 29 2017 12:56 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 29 2017 07:09 c0sm0naut wrote:On August 25 2017 21:56 PharaphobiaSC wrote:On August 25 2017 19:35 Charoisaur wrote:On August 25 2017 18:33 PharaphobiaSC wrote:
There is not a single game which allows you to turn of skins.. and dont give that SC:R bullshit beucase all that shuts off is MAIN BUILDING SKIN, which is literally the most ignored and least watched building in the game...
So there goes mr. obvious fact...: Why on earth would you pay an art team to make skins and than implementing an option to shut them off? Tournaments do that for a reason, because (and i said that like 4 times already) it matters nowhere else than there....
So there goes typical StarCraft community reaction "fcing blizz cash grab everything costs money and its bad" yet they finally make some profit back from years of investment.... and you are sitting here as a diamond player playing ladder for fun acting like few black stalkers and immortals are ruining the game...
Idk its just sad... The sad thing are those *** who want to force their opponent to see something they don't want to see. There is zero harm to implementing an option to turn off skins. The only people who want to disable them are players who are annoyed by them and if you want to force them to see them anyway you're just a *** who wants to ruin others gaming experience. I bough skins, and I use then when i want... yesterday i played with stock skins... few years ago i bough an stock 97 Supra and I drove stock and noone cares... today its fully moded 650HP non stock car and girls love it and guys wants to have it too... You see the pattern here? U can use it whenever you want, but it generates attention and potenional money to run this damn WCS so you can watch ur pros on streams competing.... god what has TL become literally no one cares about the shitty 1990s ricemobile you've autistically poured thousands of dollars into or your skins. see a pattern here? ur opinion is actually so worthless "Joined: April 2016" sounds about right User was warned for this post if u r implying TL is a place where people new to SC2 and RTS are hanging out.. then i think its fantastic. as RTS games age the ladder becomes a shark infested grinder. New players need a place where they can slowly get better and gradually increase their knowledge and skills so they can actually enjoy 1v1 Ladder. if TL.Net is that place. That's great. If not TL.Net it needs to be someplace else. i think there is good beginner content on TL. and i think its great that it exists. yeah its a great resource for them unfortunately their posts often contribute nothing because they do not read the rules of the forum or the topic they are posting in lets analyze what this kid actually said:
"I bough skins, and I use then when i want... yesterday i played with stock skins... few years ago i bough an stock 97 Supra and I drove stock and noone cares... today its fully moded 650HP non stock car and girls love it and guys wants to have it too... You see the pattern here?
U can use it whenever you want, but it generates attention and potenional money to run this damn WCS so you can watch ur pros on streams competing.... "
After some random shit, he kind of makes a point. (that skins fund WCS) but what kind of thread are we in? a thread asking for an option to disable skins for people who do not want to use them. was his post on topic? no, he talked about his cars, his ownership of skins, then talked about the benefits of new revenue sources for the game is this a topic about his car, his ownership of skins or the benefits of new revenue sources for the game? no, this topic is about establishing a community demand for the ability to disable skins since common sense establishes that having funds for WCS and having a button to disable skins are not mutually exclusive, Mods can easily determine that this post is totally off topic and warn/ban the user for this post. but they dont. and so now this is why TL is the way it is. random kids with "SC" in their name making tangential narcissistic/self-referential posts, wasting our time and not actually engaging with the community in a meaningful way! im not saying to go back to when they used to be absolute sticklers, because that probably scared away a lot of new users, but... come on... For what it's worth I agree with you. And as someone with a Quake background I also agree that being forced to see skins that you don't want to see and which might even put you at a disadvantage depending on their readability is a big no-no. As someone with a Quake background you should know that they disabled enemymodels in Quake Champions because of skins )
It's not like it would make sense to allow a cg_forceenemymodel command in a game with numerous different champions each with its own hitbox.
Nice try at a gotcha though, I give you 3/10 for effort.
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dont get me started on those baneling skins on creep on low settings
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On August 29 2017 22:34 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Blizz will never add a option to disable skins.
Because then people cant brag about their skins anymore. Imo one of the main reasons for owning skins is to show off.
I agree and that is why i was opposed to this. On a free to play game that's fine, but i paid 140+euros for the damn game, i don't want to put up with the tipical free to play BS.
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Indeed, skins are beginning to ruin the game.
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On August 26 2017 01:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I like that argument actually. If you really dislike skins so much that you would disable them it's unlikely that you would buy them to begin with.
Not true.
Seeing your own skins doesn't disrupt gameplay. Seeing your opponent's can.
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On August 29 2017 19:54 KrOjah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2017 15:43 Poopi wrote:
Skins are quite bad looking and it's indeed bad for readability but I guess they need to sell stuff?
Would be nice to have an option to disable enemy skins. Free 2 play games "need" to sell stuff. That is not the case here. If it is just to keep the pro scene afloat then one has to question whether it is worth carrying on with. Surely if viewing numbers are so bad that there is little interest from sponsors that is saying something. I have not played Sc2 in years and in general I do not mind skins, but I would be a little pissed by the screenshot in the OP. Units are literally camouflaged into one another. How that was deemed exceptable is a bit of a joke.
Yes, that's actually a good, albeit brutally honest point, I guess. I know most of us really like this whole esports thing, but when we take our rose-tinted glasses off for a second, we might realize that those big events, tournaments etc. are all promotional acts, all of them are PR gigs advertising the respective game played - and now that they partly outsource that investment to their customers people are even happy about it. Different times, I guess.
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On August 29 2017 22:34 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Blizz will never add a option to disable skins.
Because then people cant brag about their skins anymore. Imo one of the main reasons for owning skins is to show off.
This nonsense argument that keeps getting trotted out has been totally debunked.
1. The argument totally ignores how skins have been degrading the game by reducing readability and impacting gameplay.
2. You can still show them off to all the people who choose not to use the option.
3. There's actually nothing to show off, because no skin is impressive or unique. Everyone's already seen them all already.
4. There is zero evidence it would reduce sale of skins. That is based on nothing.
5. Allowing skins to be turned off could even improved their appeal by allowing them to be used in co-op, without restriction in large game formats, in WCS tournaments, without ruining the readability of the game.
6. SCR has the option. There is no problem.
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On August 30 2017 02:37 paralleluniverse wrote:
4. There is zero evidence it would reduce sale of skins. That is based on nothing.
There is zero evidence because no one except ATVI and Blizz has information related to what features and benefits impact buying decisions of their customers.
i didn't buy the TB voice pack until i heard him in a replay where i watched from my opponents' perspective. Seeing the super cool red//black Brotherhood of Nod terrans would make me want to go out and buy the Warchest skins.
had there been a feature that disabled voice packs so i can only ever hear the adjutant i never would've bought the TB Voice pack. and i probably would've disabled voice packs given the choice.
so there is $7.50 right there.
Peace Thru Power!
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Skins in SC2 are also different from other games since it's an RTS where the units are relatively small and you have to be able to discern them at a glance, maybe even subconciously. In Overwatch for example skins are not a problem, since the character figures are quite big.
In the end there are two sides of the argument:
Allowing an option to turn of skins would definitely improve gameplay experience for some people.
However this would also definitely lead to some people not buying skins.
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well , i'd like the ability to customize my opponent's skins to what i like to see. this could lead to me buying more skins.
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On August 30 2017 03:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
well , i'd like the ability to customize my opponent's skins to what i like to see. this could lead to me buying more skins.
Yeah see, it's not such a bad idea to allow every player to choose what they want to see.
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The biggest problem for the OP picture is that every unit has the same colour, while in standard version immortals are yellow, stalkers are grey..
There is the same problem for zerg I believe.
I actually bought it, don't really know why tho, I knew about the baneling issue and some of the others before I did that.. Maybe because it gives advantage and so many zerg have it in ladder and that I want to support the game also.
On the other hand just making it less confusing, with more work on each skin and some easy to recognize features and that should do the trick.
BTW OP, you couldn't count very fast anything that is 20+ units, even if it was 11 roaches 10 hydras and 7 zerglings, cuz even with 3 by 3 or 4 by 4 counting you have better things to do, and you should already know that he has 8 immortals coming to schreck you goddamn
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BTW OP, you couldn't count very fast anything that is 20+ units, even if it was 11 roaches 10 hydras and 7 zerglings, cuz even with 3 by 3 or 4 by 4 counting you have better things to do, and you should already know that he has 8 immortals coming to schreck you goddamn
I'm not one of the ones too affected by the unit skins. I barely have enough time to play anymore, I much prefer to watch as It's easy to pause.
It's reasonable to assume that a professional would be able to determine unit counts at a glance, to an oddly specific number, even when it's zerglings. The amount of time they've invested is beyond your average player. It would almost be a requirement for zerg players to discern this information when defending multi prong aggression. The difference between 6 banelings rolling at 16 marines and 8 is huge. Although, we don't see that style of Byun aggression that much anymore, you should get the point.
I could go on with different units being a burden to undermine like widow mine counts or immortal counts. It all plays into reactivity.
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That's what I'm saying, you glance at it, and since you saw it a million time already you know what it is.
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my monitor has a high contrast gaming mode that improves readability, and even if yours doesn't certainly it at least has color and contrast settings you can tweak
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