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On August 26 2017 16:09 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
Why do you guys actually care? Pros play enough games to get used to the skins, and as a casual player its just fun with some differentiating.
You will get used to this too, stop being so negative regarding every change.
It's clearly a problem for pros otherwise they wouldn't be disallowed in tournaments.
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On August 26 2017 18:31 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 16:09 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
Why do you guys actually care? Pros play enough games to get used to the skins, and as a casual player its just fun with some differentiating.
You will get used to this too, stop being so negative regarding every change. It's clearly a problem for pros otherwise they wouldn't be disallowed in tournaments.
Not so sure if this is actually about the pros having problems or if it would fuck with the casual spectator too much. Either way it's reasonable to have such a rule in place and when you can qualify for WCS via ladder, they should even more so offer a "tournament mode" (only default skins).
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On August 26 2017 18:36 Creager wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 18:31 Charoisaur wrote:On August 26 2017 16:09 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
Why do you guys actually care? Pros play enough games to get used to the skins, and as a casual player its just fun with some differentiating.
You will get used to this too, stop being so negative regarding every change. It's clearly a problem for pros otherwise they wouldn't be disallowed in tournaments. Not so sure if this is actually about the pros having problems or if it would fuck with the casual spectator too much. Either way it's reasonable to have such a rule in place and when you can qualify for WCS via ladder, they should even more so offer a "tournament mode" (only default skins).
makes a lot of sense.
I'd like Blizzard to at least talk about this topic in one of the numerous updates they'll do for the testing map. If they're never going to allow skins customization of both sides, I'd like them to say it.
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On August 26 2017 18:29 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 18:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 26 2017 02:28 Wildmoon wrote:
I have never seen an unrecognizable thor. This is getting silly. Over-exaggerating your point is not gonna help.
like i said, its already happening. the most serious players will buy and use the most recognizable units. The most recognizable units are those without skins
in your opinion and in your experience. for other people that might not be the case.
1 of the guys i play has a very slight oversensitivity to light and his pupils do not dilate correctly when he stares at an LCD screen for a long time. Therefore, for him, a PC game is a different experience than your experience. For him, the premium Marauder skin is the most recognizable.
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On August 26 2017 23:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 18:29 Charoisaur wrote:On August 26 2017 18:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 26 2017 02:28 Wildmoon wrote:
I have never seen an unrecognizable thor. This is getting silly. Over-exaggerating your point is not gonna help.
like i said, its already happening. the most serious players will buy and use the most recognizable units. The most recognizable units are those without skins in your opinion and in your experience. for other people that might not be the case. 1 of the guys i play has a very slight oversensitivity to light and his pupils do not dilate correctly when he stares at an LCD screen for a long time. Therefore, for him, a PC game is a different experience than your experience. For him, the premium Marauder skin is the most recognizable.
makes the option to custom all races' skins even more desirable
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When there was only a few skin, people asked blizzard more skin and blamed blizzard not making skins.
After blizzard started to make skins, people asked blizzard disabling skins. LOL
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On August 25 2017 21:04 MockHamill wrote:
Maybe we could get some micro transitions to handle this.
Disable your opponents skin: 9.95$
Extra map veto: 19.95$
Call down 300 extra minerals: 4.95$
Change loss to win: 9.95$
Thats making terran imba, they have to pay less to win
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On August 27 2017 01:10 scvnotready wrote:
When there was only a few skin, people asked blizzard more skin and blamed blizzard not making skins.
After blizzard started to make skins, people asked blizzard disabling skins. LOL
Actually most people asked Blizzard to allow an option to disable skins ever since (unpaid) skins first arrived in HotS, but blizzard ignored that and carried on making as many skins as possible. Also before there was skins, most people didn't want skins, but the ones who did were obviously much more vocal.
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On August 26 2017 23:10 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 18:36 Creager wrote:On August 26 2017 18:31 Charoisaur wrote:On August 26 2017 16:09 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
Why do you guys actually care? Pros play enough games to get used to the skins, and as a casual player its just fun with some differentiating.
You will get used to this too, stop being so negative regarding every change. It's clearly a problem for pros otherwise they wouldn't be disallowed in tournaments. Not so sure if this is actually about the pros having problems or if it would fuck with the casual spectator too much. Either way it's reasonable to have such a rule in place and when you can qualify for WCS via ladder, they should even more so offer a "tournament mode" (only default skins). makes a lot of sense. I'd like Blizzard to at least talk about this topic in one of the numerous updates they'll do for the testing map. If they're never going to allow skins customization of both sides, I'd like them to say it.
Yeah, I'd rather have a heads up on this than being ignored forever.
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On August 27 2017 01:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2017 01:10 scvnotready wrote:
When there was only a few skin, people asked blizzard more skin and blamed blizzard not making skins.
After blizzard started to make skins, people asked blizzard disabling skins. LOL Actually most people asked Blizzard to allow an option to disable skins ever since (unpaid) skins first arrived in HotS, but blizzard ignored that and carried on making as many skins as possible. Also before there was skins, most people didn't want skins, but the ones who did were obviously much more vocal.
Yup, I have been opposed to skins in SC2 since when they first introduced them (collector's edition was kinda cool, because it was really exclusive, you rarely saw it and it was just one t3 unit), microtransactions when already buying the game three times are a shitty move, that's still my personal opinion, but even I bought the Nova mission pack and D.Va announcer because I really liked the content.
But when you introduce such a feature in a game that is quite seasoned already and the game worked splendid without it, you gotta at least offer an option to have it work like it previously did. That would just be user-friendly, but what do we know ^^
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Are skins allowed in tournaments? I could see this being used to confuse opponents & help hide smaller units like dts etc.
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On August 27 2017 16:18 Jan1997 wrote:
Are skins allowed in tournaments? I could see this being used to confuse opponents & help hide smaller units like dts etc.
Nope. Skins aren't allowed in most (almost all?) tournaments. Though sometimes players do use skins especially in qualifiers, and generally everyone just lets it slide. Though I haven't seen any of the more confusing skins in tournaments. I assume the opponent would complain in that case.
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On August 27 2017 16:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2017 16:18 Jan1997 wrote:
Are skins allowed in tournaments? I could see this being used to confuse opponents & help hide smaller units like dts etc. Nope. Skins aren't allowed in most (almost all?) tournaments. Though sometimes players do use skins especially in qualifiers, and generally everyone just lets it slide. Though I haven't seen any of the more confusing skins in tournaments. I assume the opponent would complain in that case.
I remember seeing skins it tournaments, though. Granted, not in GSL or SSL, but for one, I specifically remember seeing people use skins yesterday in the WCS Montreal NA Qualifiers. I know it's a qualifier, but it's still WCS, so I would expect it to have the same rules as the main event.
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On August 25 2017 21:56 PharaphobiaSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 19:35 Charoisaur wrote:On August 25 2017 18:33 PharaphobiaSC wrote:
There is not a single game which allows you to turn of skins.. and dont give that SC:R bullshit beucase all that shuts off is MAIN BUILDING SKIN, which is literally the most ignored and least watched building in the game...
So there goes mr. obvious fact...: Why on earth would you pay an art team to make skins and than implementing an option to shut them off? Tournaments do that for a reason, because (and i said that like 4 times already) it matters nowhere else than there....
So there goes typical StarCraft community reaction "fcing blizz cash grab everything costs money and its bad" yet they finally make some profit back from years of investment.... and you are sitting here as a diamond player playing ladder for fun acting like few black stalkers and immortals are ruining the game...
Idk its just sad... The sad thing are those *** who want to force their opponent to see something they don't want to see. There is zero harm to implementing an option to turn off skins. The only people who want to disable them are players who are annoyed by them and if you want to force them to see them anyway you're just a *** who wants to ruin others gaming experience. I bough skins, and I use then when i want... yesterday i played with stock skins... few years ago i bough an stock 97 Supra and I drove stock and noone cares... today its fully moded 650HP non stock car and girls love it and guys wants to have it too... You see the pattern here? U can use it whenever you want, but it generates attention and potenional money to run this damn WCS so you can watch ur pros on streams competing....
god what has TL become
literally no one cares about the shitty 1990s ricemobile you've autistically poured thousands of dollars into or your skins. see a pattern here? ur opinion is actually so worthless
"Joined: April 2016"
sounds about right
User was warned for this post
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On August 27 2017 01:22 Uberfather wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 21:04 MockHamill wrote:
Maybe we could get some micro transitions to handle this.
Disable your opponents skin: 9.95$
Extra map veto: 19.95$
Call down 300 extra minerals: 4.95$
Change loss to win: 9.95$ Thats making terran imba, they have to pay less to win
bringing the other races up to terran level w the calldown hahaha
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On August 29 2017 07:09 c0sm0naut wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 21:56 PharaphobiaSC wrote:On August 25 2017 19:35 Charoisaur wrote:On August 25 2017 18:33 PharaphobiaSC wrote:
There is not a single game which allows you to turn of skins.. and dont give that SC:R bullshit beucase all that shuts off is MAIN BUILDING SKIN, which is literally the most ignored and least watched building in the game...
So there goes mr. obvious fact...: Why on earth would you pay an art team to make skins and than implementing an option to shut them off? Tournaments do that for a reason, because (and i said that like 4 times already) it matters nowhere else than there....
So there goes typical StarCraft community reaction "fcing blizz cash grab everything costs money and its bad" yet they finally make some profit back from years of investment.... and you are sitting here as a diamond player playing ladder for fun acting like few black stalkers and immortals are ruining the game...
Idk its just sad... The sad thing are those *** who want to force their opponent to see something they don't want to see. There is zero harm to implementing an option to turn off skins. The only people who want to disable them are players who are annoyed by them and if you want to force them to see them anyway you're just a *** who wants to ruin others gaming experience. I bough skins, and I use then when i want... yesterday i played with stock skins... few years ago i bough an stock 97 Supra and I drove stock and noone cares... today its fully moded 650HP non stock car and girls love it and guys wants to have it too... You see the pattern here? U can use it whenever you want, but it generates attention and potenional money to run this damn WCS so you can watch ur pros on streams competing.... god what has TL become literally no one cares about the shitty 1990s ricemobile you've autistically poured thousands of dollars into or your skins. see a pattern here? ur opinion is actually so worthless "Joined: April 2016" sounds about right User was warned for this post
if u r implying TL is a place where people new to SC2 and RTS are hanging out.. then i think its fantastic. as RTS games age the ladder becomes a shark infested grinder. New players need a place where they can slowly get better and gradually increase their knowledge and skills so they can actually enjoy 1v1 Ladder. if TL.Net is that place. That's great. If not TL.Net it needs to be someplace else.
i think there is good beginner content on TL. and i think its great that it exists.
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On August 29 2017 12:56 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2017 07:09 c0sm0naut wrote:On August 25 2017 21:56 PharaphobiaSC wrote:On August 25 2017 19:35 Charoisaur wrote:On August 25 2017 18:33 PharaphobiaSC wrote:
There is not a single game which allows you to turn of skins.. and dont give that SC:R bullshit beucase all that shuts off is MAIN BUILDING SKIN, which is literally the most ignored and least watched building in the game...
So there goes mr. obvious fact...: Why on earth would you pay an art team to make skins and than implementing an option to shut them off? Tournaments do that for a reason, because (and i said that like 4 times already) it matters nowhere else than there....
So there goes typical StarCraft community reaction "fcing blizz cash grab everything costs money and its bad" yet they finally make some profit back from years of investment.... and you are sitting here as a diamond player playing ladder for fun acting like few black stalkers and immortals are ruining the game...
Idk its just sad... The sad thing are those *** who want to force their opponent to see something they don't want to see. There is zero harm to implementing an option to turn off skins. The only people who want to disable them are players who are annoyed by them and if you want to force them to see them anyway you're just a *** who wants to ruin others gaming experience. I bough skins, and I use then when i want... yesterday i played with stock skins... few years ago i bough an stock 97 Supra and I drove stock and noone cares... today its fully moded 650HP non stock car and girls love it and guys wants to have it too... You see the pattern here? U can use it whenever you want, but it generates attention and potenional money to run this damn WCS so you can watch ur pros on streams competing.... god what has TL become literally no one cares about the shitty 1990s ricemobile you've autistically poured thousands of dollars into or your skins. see a pattern here? ur opinion is actually so worthless "Joined: April 2016" sounds about right User was warned for this post if u r implying TL is a place where people new to SC2 and RTS are hanging out.. then i think its fantastic. as RTS games age the ladder becomes a shark infested grinder. New players need a place where they can slowly get better and gradually increase their knowledge and skills so they can actually enjoy 1v1 Ladder. if TL.Net is that place. That's great. If not TL.Net it needs to be someplace else. i think there is good beginner content on TL. and i think its great that it exists.
yeah its a great resource for them
unfortunately their posts often contribute nothing because they do not read the rules of the forum or the topic they are posting in
lets analyze what this kid actually said:
"I bough skins, and I use then when i want... yesterday i played with stock skins... few years ago i bough an stock 97 Supra and I drove stock and noone cares... today its fully moded 650HP non stock car and girls love it and guys wants to have it too... You see the pattern here?
U can use it whenever you want, but it generates attention and potenional money to run this damn WCS so you can watch ur pros on streams competing.... "
After some random shit, he kind of makes a point. (that skins fund WCS)
but what kind of thread are we in? a thread asking for an option to disable skins for people who do not want to use them.
was his post on topic? no, he talked about his cars, his ownership of skins, then talked about the benefits of new revenue sources for the game
is this a topic about his car, his ownership of skins or the benefits of new revenue sources for the game?
no, this topic is about establishing a community demand for the ability to disable skins
since common sense establishes that having funds for WCS and having a button to disable skins are not mutually exclusive, Mods can easily determine that this post is totally off topic and warn/ban the user for this post. but they dont. and so now this is why TL is the way it is. random kids with "SC" in their name making tangential narcissistic/self-referential posts, wasting our time and not actually engaging with the community in a meaningful way! im not saying to go back to when they used to be absolute sticklers, because that probably scared away a lot of new users, but... come on...
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Skins are quite bad looking and it's indeed bad for readability but I guess they need to sell stuff?
Would be nice to have an option to disable enemy skins.
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On August 29 2017 15:43 Poopi wrote:
Skins are quite bad looking and it's indeed bad for readability but I guess they need to sell stuff?
Would be nice to have an option to disable enemy skins.
Free 2 play games "need" to sell stuff. That is not the case here. If it is just to keep the pro scene afloat then one has to question whether it is worth carrying on with. Surely if viewing numbers are so bad that there is little interest from sponsors that is saying something.
I have not played Sc2 in years and in general I do not mind skins, but I would be a little pissed by the screenshot in the OP. Units are literally camouflaged into one another. How that was deemed exceptable is a bit of a joke.
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