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iNcontroL
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On April 09 2018 14:14 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 08:02 iNcontroL wrote:On April 09 2018 05:38 Mahayana wrote:
There is one thing I feel most casters could be doing better, and that is filler content, or rather the lack of it.
It is absolutely fine to not talk for a few seconds when nothing is happening. Instead I feel most casters are forcing themselves to provide commentary / filler content at all times.
I feel good commentary should feel like a discussion that is informing the game. Yet I understand there's a limit to how much can be said when nothing is happening, but that's when I'd like to hear less obvious and less random filler content.
In a real conversation sometimes you pause to get your thoughts in order or process new infos and provide an adequate response, you don't randomly say stuff because you need the air to be filled with words. Why are you comparing a broadcast to a "real conversation" ? In a real conversation I might also do a LOT of things that would be bad on a broadcast. I don't even disagree with what you're saying but the comparison is horrible. I think conversely the idea of "you don't have to fill all the time" is hilariously barbed. For you that might be nice but for a lot of other people it's the job of the commentator to always have something to say. I think this is less advice and more "hey guys here is my preferences why can't you all do this?" Why can't you ever just say "that's an interesting perspective, maybe I'll think about that?" That guy even posted in a constructive, polite way. I understand that you get a lot of feedback that's unhelpful, and a lot of feedback that's just plain negative and insulting. But if the only tone you can accept feedback from is 'utterly deferential and apologizing to be critical at all'—I don't know, that's just such a bad place to start from. I mean, maybe your experience over the last X years has made it so you have to take all feedback that way. But man, it kinda sucks.
I think you'd be one of the absolute last people I'd ever even consider taking advice from in regards to "can you say things non douchey"
Lol wax You are straight up an asshole and I think you know it. Lets pretend here for a second you aren't throwing rocks in a glass house and just chill your tits lol
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United States33472 Posts
On April 09 2018 15:56 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 14:14 Waxangel wrote:On April 09 2018 08:02 iNcontroL wrote:On April 09 2018 05:38 Mahayana wrote:
There is one thing I feel most casters could be doing better, and that is filler content, or rather the lack of it.
It is absolutely fine to not talk for a few seconds when nothing is happening. Instead I feel most casters are forcing themselves to provide commentary / filler content at all times.
I feel good commentary should feel like a discussion that is informing the game. Yet I understand there's a limit to how much can be said when nothing is happening, but that's when I'd like to hear less obvious and less random filler content.
In a real conversation sometimes you pause to get your thoughts in order or process new infos and provide an adequate response, you don't randomly say stuff because you need the air to be filled with words. Why are you comparing a broadcast to a "real conversation" ? In a real conversation I might also do a LOT of things that would be bad on a broadcast. I don't even disagree with what you're saying but the comparison is horrible. I think conversely the idea of "you don't have to fill all the time" is hilariously barbed. For you that might be nice but for a lot of other people it's the job of the commentator to always have something to say. I think this is less advice and more "hey guys here is my preferences why can't you all do this?" Why can't you ever just say "that's an interesting perspective, maybe I'll think about that?" That guy even posted in a constructive, polite way. I understand that you get a lot of feedback that's unhelpful, and a lot of feedback that's just plain negative and insulting. But if the only tone you can accept feedback from is 'utterly deferential and apologizing to be critical at all'—I don't know, that's just such a bad place to start from. I mean, maybe your experience over the last X years has made it so you have to take all feedback that way. But man, it kinda sucks. I think you'd be one of the absolute last people I'd ever even consider taking advice from in regards to "can you say things non douchey" Lol wax You are straight up an asshole and I think you know it. Lets pretend here for a second you aren't throwing rocks in a glass house and just chill your tits lol
Sure, if you want to shoot the messenger, then that's fine. I don't really care much about what people say about me.
I feel like we're in real deep TotalBiscuit territory here, where I actually like your casting a lot, but I think it's weird that I need to have to couch pretty benign remarks in "hey man I really like your work, BUT...." (not that you have to believe me, but whatever). And I get that even benign criticism can become a kind of droning annoyance. Maybe it could even become so bad that you need to tune it out altogether—I don't have to deal with people criticizing me on a daily basis, so I can't say I understand that.
But in any case, that's a long-winded way of saying maybe cut that dude a break.
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My personal, tiny little wish would be to stop doing player introductions each time a new map loads on online events. It feels forced and unnecessary when there is no live crowd to make noise. I suppose this may be decided by production rather than the casters, but I don't know where else to put this.
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On April 09 2018 08:37 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 08:15 sc-darkness wrote:
I think Rifkin handled the case with NoRegret poorly. Community user shouldn't have paid $1500 regardless of who is right. The Rifkin/NoRegreT situation is not a feedback that is related to casters and their casting. Please don't bring it up in this thread.
Are you sure? Warning says all feedback. Maybe reword it so it's less ambigious.
All constructive criticism and feedback toward casters will go here. This thread will be moderated and watched carefully so be wary of what you post!
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On April 09 2018 19:29 stormssc wrote:
My personal, tiny little wish would be to stop doing player introductions each time a new map loads on online events. It feels forced and unnecessary when there is no live crowd to make noise. I suppose this may be decided by production rather than the casters, but I don't know where else to put this.
Yeah I agree, it has always felt weird to me as well. But I guess it's nice to have something to say in the very first few seconds when nothing special is happening.
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On April 09 2018 20:15 Aelendis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 19:29 stormssc wrote:
My personal, tiny little wish would be to stop doing player introductions each time a new map loads on online events. It feels forced and unnecessary when there is no live crowd to make noise. I suppose this may be decided by production rather than the casters, but I don't know where else to put this. Yeah I agree, it has always felt weird to me as well. But I guess it's nice to have something to say in the very first few seconds when nothing special is happening.
What? Now way! I think they're great - online events risk lacking in the energy of a lan so anything to make it feel more like a 'live' event.
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On April 09 2018 19:55 sc-darkness wrote:Are you sure? Warning says all feedback. Maybe reword it so it's less ambigious. Show nested quote +
All constructive criticism and feedback toward casters will go here. This thread will be moderated and watched carefully so be wary of what you post!
This is not a contradiction. This thread is for casting feedback. Rifkin is a caster yes, but that incident does not involve him a caster, it involves him as a businessman, house manager, whatever you want to call it.
If this thread existed in 2013, you wouldn't post feedback about how TotalBiscuit should manage his team Axiom here, would you? Because it has nothing to do with casting.
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the BTSL commentary by Rifkin and Maynarde of the Hero//Gumiho game 1 and 2 was quite insightful and entertaining.
On April 09 2018 19:55 sc-darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 08:37 Seeker wrote:On April 09 2018 08:15 sc-darkness wrote:
I think Rifkin handled the case with NoRegret poorly. Community user shouldn't have paid $1500 regardless of who is right. The Rifkin/NoRegreT situation is not a feedback that is related to casters and their casting. Please don't bring it up in this thread. Are you sure? Warning says all feedback. Maybe reword it so it's less ambigious. Show nested quote +
All constructive criticism and feedback toward casters will go here. This thread will be moderated and watched carefully so be wary of what you post!
your point is quite "nit picky" but it is correct. so good point. The warning message could be made more precise.
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I will be completely honnest on this. Most of the time I'm not a big fan of the casting in starcraft 2. Why ? Because the casters are just saying the obvious, and don't explain much of the timing or of the thought process of the player.
That being said, I also appreciate casters with enjoyable personnalities, such as Incontrol for example. Tastosis is also a pretty nice duo to hear.
So, you are going to ask me, is there any caster that I appreciate ? Well yes, and especially at the homestorycup, when the casting is made by pro-players.
I truelly feel some are really talented at this, and it's a shame that they don't have the opportunity of doing this more often.Their explanations, or read about the game they cast, are always interesting (+ some are really fun).
When I say this, Mana is coming to my mind, Demuslim, CatZ, Destiny (when he used to play) and so much more that I forget ... And even ... Avilo ! I feel like he is pretty good at casting, and is showing quite a nice knowledge about the game despite people can say. He is also really entertaining. That being said, I'm a terran player, so I'm not getting triggered that much by his bias, so I could defenitely understand that protoss or zergs players have more difficulties.
That is one of the main reason HSC was (and still is) my favorite tournament. Making the players cast, is really, really nice.
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On April 09 2018 20:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:the BTSL commentary by Rifkin and Maynarde of the Hero//Gumiho game 1 and 2 was quite insightful and entertaining. Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 19:55 sc-darkness wrote:On April 09 2018 08:37 Seeker wrote:On April 09 2018 08:15 sc-darkness wrote:
I think Rifkin handled the case with NoRegret poorly. Community user shouldn't have paid $1500 regardless of who is right. The Rifkin/NoRegreT situation is not a feedback that is related to casters and their casting. Please don't bring it up in this thread. Are you sure? Warning says all feedback. Maybe reword it so it's less ambigious.
All constructive criticism and feedback toward casters will go here. This thread will be moderated and watched carefully so be wary of what you post!
your point is quite "nit picky" but it is correct. so good point. The warning message could be made more precise.
I'm glad you agree. The minimum change is just one word. Then, it will be clearer what could go here.
All constructive criticism and feedback toward casting will go here. This thread will be moderated and watched carefully so be wary of what you post!
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 09 2018 08:02 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 05:38 Mahayana wrote:
There is one thing I feel most casters could be doing better, and that is filler content, or rather the lack of it.
It is absolutely fine to not talk for a few seconds when nothing is happening. Instead I feel most casters are forcing themselves to provide commentary / filler content at all times.
I feel good commentary should feel like a discussion that is informing the game. Yet I understand there's a limit to how much can be said when nothing is happening, but that's when I'd like to hear less obvious and less random filler content.
In a real conversation sometimes you pause to get your thoughts in order or process new infos and provide an adequate response, you don't randomly say stuff because you need the air to be filled with words. Why are you comparing a broadcast to a "real conversation" ? In a real conversation I might also do a LOT of things that would be bad on a broadcast. I don't even disagree with what you're saying but the comparison is horrible. I think conversely the idea of "you don't have to fill all the time" is hilariously barbed. For you that might be nice but for a lot of other people it's the job of the commentator to always have something to say. I think this is less advice and more "hey guys here is my preferences why can't you all do this?"
Even Redeye told this once somewhere - that in sports commentary they are not saying the obvious unless it's building the hype. Not sure how this works in US, but I've never heard a commentary in the form of "Messi to Pique, Pique to Messi, Messi to Pique, Pique to Messi, Messi to Alba! Alba to Pique, Pique to Alba, Alba to Messi" (etc.) Instead what I usually hear is "Barcelona have the ball, they keep the possession" or they don't mention anything and just leave the viewer to see it. I think it was said in the show with the marine who did the talkshow(Lycan? some form of vampire name, I believe  )
It would be nice to have sometimes the other way, not all the time listen to "we're talk until your ears fall off  " style
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On April 10 2018 01:57 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 08:02 iNcontroL wrote:On April 09 2018 05:38 Mahayana wrote:
There is one thing I feel most casters could be doing better, and that is filler content, or rather the lack of it.
It is absolutely fine to not talk for a few seconds when nothing is happening. Instead I feel most casters are forcing themselves to provide commentary / filler content at all times.
I feel good commentary should feel like a discussion that is informing the game. Yet I understand there's a limit to how much can be said when nothing is happening, but that's when I'd like to hear less obvious and less random filler content.
In a real conversation sometimes you pause to get your thoughts in order or process new infos and provide an adequate response, you don't randomly say stuff because you need the air to be filled with words. Why are you comparing a broadcast to a "real conversation" ? In a real conversation I might also do a LOT of things that would be bad on a broadcast. I don't even disagree with what you're saying but the comparison is horrible. I think conversely the idea of "you don't have to fill all the time" is hilariously barbed. For you that might be nice but for a lot of other people it's the job of the commentator to always have something to say. I think this is less advice and more "hey guys here is my preferences why can't you all do this?" Not sure how this works in US, but I've never heard a commentary in the form of "Messi to Pique, Pique to Messi, Messi to Pique, Pique to Messi, Messi to Alba! Alba to Pique, Pique to Alba, Alba to Messi" (etc.)
No? I hear that all the time
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Bisutopia19295 Posts
On April 09 2018 20:48 WhiteSPiriT wrote:
I will be completely honnest on this. Most of the time I'm not a big fan of the casting in starcraft 2. Why ? Because the casters are just saying the obvious, and don't explain much of the timing or of the thought process of the player.
That being said, I also appreciate casters with enjoyable personnalities, such as Incontrol for example. Tastosis is also a pretty nice duo to hear.
So, you are going to ask me, is there any caster that I appreciate ? Well yes, and especially at the homestorycup, when the casting is made by pro-players.
I truelly feel some are really talented at this, and it's a shame that they don't have the opportunity of doing this more often.Their explanations, or read about the game they cast, are always interesting (+ some are really fun).
When I say this, Mana is coming to my mind, Demuslim, CatZ, Destiny (when he used to play) and so much more that I forget ... And even ... Avilo ! I feel like he is pretty good at casting, and is showing quite a nice knowledge about the game despite people can say. He is also really entertaining. That being said, I'm a terran player, so I'm not getting triggered that much by his bias, so I could defenitely understand that protoss or zergs players have more difficulties.
That is one of the main reason HSC was (and still is) my favorite tournament. Making the players cast, is really, really nice.
I do agree with this. But I also understand how difficult it must be for tastosis. Even though they are full time casters so it would seem like their full time job is to know the finer details of builds, it is really hard to find time to learn it all for a couple reasons.
* They already have to study and remember facts about each players and their story lines
* They don't have the privilege of statisticians constantly handing them info like on ESPN casters
* They not only cast multiple events involving a hundred different players, but they also cast different games involving a whole set of other players
* They simply don't have the time to play the game like they used too before being full time casters
In my time as a caster, my biggest feedback from veteran players is that I play the game more so I understand the build orders. But if a Starcraft 1 game suddenly takes 40 minutes out of my day, then I lost time doing other things that could contribute to the cast. For a pair like tastosis it is harder then the standard Dota 2 or league caster because none of them are crossover casters in the same manner that tastosis is. And to be fair, even though DOTA and League have had changes/heroes added, it does not compare to the niches and meta shifts that happen every Blizzard patch. It's simply exhausting to think about how as an RTS caster you have to keep re-wiring your brain because a player who played 5 thousand games found a new way to define a matchup.
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This is the plight of all sportscasters. Not a single NBA commentator fully understands the thinking behind Brad Steven's zone defense. When reporters try to ask the players detailed questions about their defense ... the players say "we are sticking to the system" and they never answer the question. They don't want us to know what they are thinking.
I'm not expecting ESPN to fully explain why every switch occurs in an NBA defensive set. As long as they can take me 1 or 2 layers beneath the surface of what i can see with my own eyes... i'm happy.
Same with SC2 commentators. I'm not expecting Tastosis to take me inside Flash's head. Tastosis offers a nice level of insight for me to be entertained. As well as providing a degree of insight... Tastosis is good at enjoying the surprises of the game along with me.
On April 10 2018 01:57 deacon.frost wrote:
Even Redeye told this once somewhere - that in sports commentary they are not saying the obvious unless it's building the hype.
in North America the "play-by-play" commentator says the obvious constantly. its the role of the play-by-play guy to do that. it helps inexperienced viewers follow what is going on.
"he shoots ... he scores" is one of the most common phrases in hockey commentary.
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On April 10 2018 03:01 BisuDagger wrote:
I do agree with this. But I also understand how difficult it must be for tastosis. Even though they are full time casters so it would seem like their full time job is to know the finer details of builds, it is really hard to find time to learn it all for a couple reasons.
* They already have to study and remember facts about each players and their story lines
* They don't have the privilege of statisticians constantly handing them info like on ESPN casters
* They not only cast multiple events involving a hundred different players, but they also cast different games involving a whole set of other players
* They simply don't have the time to play the game like they used too before being full time casters
In my time as a caster, my biggest feedback from veteran players is that I play the game more so I understand the build orders. But if a Starcraft 1 game suddenly takes 40 minutes out of my day, then I lost time doing other things that could contribute to the cast. For a pair like tastosis it is harder then the standard Dota 2 or league caster because none of them are crossover casters in the same manner that tastosis is. And to be fair, even though DOTA and League have had changes/heroes added, it does not compare to the niches and meta shifts that happen every Blizzard patch. It's simply exhausting to think about how as an RTS caster you have to keep re-wiring your brain because a player who played 5 thousand games found a new way to define a matchup.
It is really interesting to have the opinion of a caster on the subject. And I definetely agree that it's more easy to criticize something than actually understand the all work behind it.
I'm a member of the french community, and at some point, a few years ago, a french pro-player that retired of the game, made a post that people discussed a lot on.
He was mostly saying that being a caster is way more easier and forgiving than actually being a player that needs to practice everyday and have goods results. And it's a easier way to make monney, why ? Because it's easier to make a fan base, people know you because they hear you casting if they want to see a competition. Than having to build a stream as a pro player and make an audience + the practice you need.
Obviously, I don't agree with this, because of the facts you pointed out. And I would even add, it needs a lot of work to be entertaining, or just speak properly live (as crazy as it sounds, it is actually complicated, but I'm sure you already know that ahah).
That being said, I feel like, despite not playing the game as much as you want to, because you don't have the time, your game knowledge should improve a lot by just simply watch games. The more you see, the more you understand the meta, the builds, the timings ... Even tho you will be quite "meh" mechanically, your knowledge will be good. And that's something I feel quite a lot of casters are missing, and I really don't understand the why. Maybe this is such a complex game, that needs to be played everyday to be perfectly understood, no other way.
I remember one time watching CatZ analysis, how amazed I was of how his analysis of the game was pushed, even things I never thought would matter in this game. It's quite a shame that we can't see more of that deepness in some casts.
But thanks to put some light on the caster work, I don't have any friends or contacts doing it, so it really helps to see the other side and what it implies.
EDIT : I didn't see the previous post, and to this I would just say quite the same thing, sure, you don't need the caster to go in full analysis mode for you to enjoy watching it. But I feel because of that, we still miss something that can be so much interesting, things that we don't even think of.
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On April 09 2018 08:02 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 05:38 Mahayana wrote:
There is one thing I feel most casters could be doing better, and that is filler content, or rather the lack of it.
It is absolutely fine to not talk for a few seconds when nothing is happening. Instead I feel most casters are forcing themselves to provide commentary / filler content at all times.
I feel good commentary should feel like a discussion that is informing the game. Yet I understand there's a limit to how much can be said when nothing is happening, but that's when I'd like to hear less obvious and less random filler content.
In a real conversation sometimes you pause to get your thoughts in order or process new infos and provide an adequate response, you don't randomly say stuff because you need the air to be filled with words. Why are you comparing a broadcast to a "real conversation" ? In a real conversation I might also do a LOT of things that would be bad on a broadcast. I don't even disagree with what you're saying but the comparison is horrible. I think conversely the idea of "you don't have to fill all the time" is hilariously barbed. For you that might be nice but for a lot of other people it's the job of the commentator to always have something to say. I think this is less advice and more "hey guys here is my preferences why can't you all do this?"
Yes this is my preferences. I do prefer when a commentary gives off a conversational vibe, not only broadcast. My point however was that sometime pausing is fine.
Look, my opinion is this isn't radio. Both casters and viewers enjoy a solid visual medium for a commentary, which is the game itself. Trying to follow it can already be a bit tricky, which is when casters come in and why they are valuable. But I sometimes feel I get tired trying to filter out useless comments while maintaining a focus on the game.
This is my personal experience as a viewer, I do not enjoy a casting when it feels like the audio commentary is battling the seeable game for primary medium of conveying informations.
Now, this is not to say that this is the only thing I'm experiencing, but I am saying it happens and I do think uninterrupted talking is a big part of it.
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iNcontroL
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On April 09 2018 16:49 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 15:56 iNcontroL wrote:On April 09 2018 14:14 Waxangel wrote:On April 09 2018 08:02 iNcontroL wrote:On April 09 2018 05:38 Mahayana wrote:
There is one thing I feel most casters could be doing better, and that is filler content, or rather the lack of it.
It is absolutely fine to not talk for a few seconds when nothing is happening. Instead I feel most casters are forcing themselves to provide commentary / filler content at all times.
I feel good commentary should feel like a discussion that is informing the game. Yet I understand there's a limit to how much can be said when nothing is happening, but that's when I'd like to hear less obvious and less random filler content.
In a real conversation sometimes you pause to get your thoughts in order or process new infos and provide an adequate response, you don't randomly say stuff because you need the air to be filled with words. Why are you comparing a broadcast to a "real conversation" ? In a real conversation I might also do a LOT of things that would be bad on a broadcast. I don't even disagree with what you're saying but the comparison is horrible. I think conversely the idea of "you don't have to fill all the time" is hilariously barbed. For you that might be nice but for a lot of other people it's the job of the commentator to always have something to say. I think this is less advice and more "hey guys here is my preferences why can't you all do this?" Why can't you ever just say "that's an interesting perspective, maybe I'll think about that?" That guy even posted in a constructive, polite way. I understand that you get a lot of feedback that's unhelpful, and a lot of feedback that's just plain negative and insulting. But if the only tone you can accept feedback from is 'utterly deferential and apologizing to be critical at all'—I don't know, that's just such a bad place to start from. I mean, maybe your experience over the last X years has made it so you have to take all feedback that way. But man, it kinda sucks. I think you'd be one of the absolute last people I'd ever even consider taking advice from in regards to "can you say things non douchey" Lol wax You are straight up an asshole and I think you know it. Lets pretend here for a second you aren't throwing rocks in a glass house and just chill your tits lol Sure, if you want to shoot the messenger, then that's fine. I don't really care much about what people say about me. I feel like we're in real deep TotalBiscuit territory here, where I actually like your casting a lot, but I think it's weird that I need to have to couch pretty benign remarks in "hey man I really like your work, BUT...." (not that you have to believe me, but whatever). And I get that even benign criticism can become a kind of droning annoyance. Maybe it could even become so bad that you need to tune it out altogether—I don't have to deal with people criticizing me on a daily basis, so I can't say I understand that. But in any case, that's a long-winded way of saying maybe cut that dude a break.
I dunno man. I just think you are coming at me at an odd time.. like if you want to tell me to give a guy a break or chill you probably can find a better post where I go right to the "you're dumb" thing which I do far too often.. the post in question I don't even see what I said that is so bad? I didn't think I was attacking the guy or anything..
In any case I hear you and will try and respond less angsty I suppose I just honestly am not sure where I did that here.
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iNcontroL
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On April 10 2018 01:57 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 08:02 iNcontroL wrote:On April 09 2018 05:38 Mahayana wrote:
There is one thing I feel most casters could be doing better, and that is filler content, or rather the lack of it.
It is absolutely fine to not talk for a few seconds when nothing is happening. Instead I feel most casters are forcing themselves to provide commentary / filler content at all times.
I feel good commentary should feel like a discussion that is informing the game. Yet I understand there's a limit to how much can be said when nothing is happening, but that's when I'd like to hear less obvious and less random filler content.
In a real conversation sometimes you pause to get your thoughts in order or process new infos and provide an adequate response, you don't randomly say stuff because you need the air to be filled with words. Why are you comparing a broadcast to a "real conversation" ? In a real conversation I might also do a LOT of things that would be bad on a broadcast. I don't even disagree with what you're saying but the comparison is horrible. I think conversely the idea of "you don't have to fill all the time" is hilariously barbed. For you that might be nice but for a lot of other people it's the job of the commentator to always have something to say. I think this is less advice and more "hey guys here is my preferences why can't you all do this?" Even Redeye told this once somewhere - that in sports commentary they are not saying the obvious unless it's building the hype. Not sure how this works in US, but I've never heard a commentary in the form of "Messi to Pique, Pique to Messi, Messi to Pique, Pique to Messi, Messi to Alba! Alba to Pique, Pique to Alba, Alba to Messi" (etc.) Instead what I usually hear is "Barcelona have the ball, they keep the possession" or they don't mention anything and just leave the viewer to see it. I think it was said in the show with the marine who did the talkshow(Lycan? some form of vampire name, I believe ) It would be nice to have sometimes the other way, not all the time listen to "we're talk until your ears fall off " style
Comparing starcraft commentary to football >_< I don't think that works.
Look, the idea that a commentator can at times not say something and that is OK is not controversial and I agree. I think coming to a thread and saying all commentators need to always have conversational tones and breaks in their speech is silly. It's stylistic and a preference.. it's not an actual mechanical aspect of the craft that all commentators must adhere to. Like, literally you are arguing because they do it in football they should do it in sc2.. and presumably all commentary ever? I don't think that sounds reasonable.
Anyways, this isn't a huge hot button subject and apparently wax thinks I am being mean so I will dial it back.
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Just wanted to say that I was impressed with Coltarren's casting of the WCS NA qualifiers. He seemed very tired from what little I saw of it during the first day's proceedings (but then he did have to cast two +1 hour games in a row with the psychological attacks that are scans) but seemed to be greatly improved and rejuvenated for the second day. Very well done .
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