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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16769 Posts
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
On June 06 2018 00:00 RAPiDCasting wrote: I hope everyone enjoyed WCS Austin! It was my first WCS event and I'd love to hear any thoughts or feedback. ur the shit bro dw did fine | ||
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insitelol
845 Posts
On June 06 2018 00:00 RAPiDCasting wrote: I hope everyone enjoyed WCS Austin! It was my first WCS event and I'd love to hear any thoughts or feedback. You are easily the second best caster (alongside with rotti) after tastosis. Really appreciate your passion and understanding of the game without that worthless egocentric-emo-hype stuff. Have been following you since your first appearance in SPL and i hope you are here to stay. Interview with Nice Username was fun as well -) | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On June 14 2018 15:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Usually in the middle of a non-descript GSL season Tastosis' casting slips a bit. By that I mean they go from being a 10/10 casting duo to something like a 9.25/10. Not so this season from the games I've watched. Its BlizzCon level, 10/10 casting this season. What a slump! I agree, though  | ||
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fluidrone
France1478 Posts
thank you tl for thinking this is a potentially valuable opportunity, casters are all unique individuals and it seems a good idea to see where we (tl) stand (tl people saying what they like dislike and this in a civil fashion).i read the thread and i can't believe it? [add illegal surprise twit ch emote here] So many subjects not mentioned? Things like: "casters have to cast GOOD games and BAD games" "casters push the envelop" (when they arguably introduce new things to the showcasing concept) or "casters in chat and/or on stream" or going "borderline" as many times as possible (standing up to the production imposed "limits") or "casters in chill HSCup and on Blizzcon studio.. does it have to be this way?" Me many dissapoints.. you get a good thread and read it and then :/ you feel old. Ok so i'll bite at answering like a teen age fan grill would  catz and geoff were not the only ones to mention / nail it but not many did apparently.. PASSION is what i want. What i feel we all want, genuine passion for the moment / game they are casting. Passion, getting giddy from watching/listening to the stream is what i want/like, what makes me choose which stream i listen/watch. tasteless is sc for foreigners, he could come naked covered in ketchup singing baudelaire, we would be fine with it. artosis is your sc uncle, the one you like but wouldn't want to sleep with (sleeping not having s x with .. as opposed to sleeping with the aforementioned plott) and that passion is why i must note that i regret to not see day9 on sc2 more than once a year... incontrol is the "lawyer" of the casters and as he is an ex debate gamer it sounds just right , he has tried to be funny (making jokes) in a silly situation (casting is grown ups casting a game where pew pew lasers happen, and people say "x" often and "y" happens instead etc and you get "breaks" to fill in at a moment's notice or tech issues etc) for years more and more (with varying degrees of success but trying consistently) and consequently (like tasteless before him) has been pushing what the "blizz hard boundaries" have been more than anyone else for sure. Again, you say it yourself geoff, "not all the jokes will land" and i appreciate that honesty .. i would just add "but you have to make these to get the good jokes out of the other casters, and out of yourself...zg is quite the prize and yes i think we should celebrate that she s a grill <3 catz is awesome when he casts for big tourneys, so sad he hates me / permed me on twit ch chat :/ People watching invest in people on screen / people talking over the visual of gamers duking it out AND what the observers do (yes i think observers are UNDER appreciated and UNDER valued etc sad really [insert illegal rage twit ch emote here please thank you] really really sad) even sadder when you consider that casters often are the mechanic you are watching overall be good or bad or somewhere in between (and so much of that matters  ) ...But back to what isn't sad! people invest in their "link" to the game, the viewer will root for a caster and that is a double edge sword. rotti or nate jumping in chat is very nice i feel. they are what we call "sc in your veins" kind of guys where/when even if you don't like this or that about them, they are awesome pro at it and really that is so enjoyable that it is a pity they still have time to stream ... they should be on weekly and stable, working sc2 to 100 k viewership .... ?.. anyway... i really think kids fixation on rotti's looking "high" is just ridiculous... he's sensitive to the "production" lights and that gets to his eyes is all, inbefore rotti wears glasses just for that  i should mention others that can be great (maynarde tod ravi wardi etc) but i'll stop with this fan grill type of posting to finish on the best casters: HOME STORY CUP <3 hype <3 i can't wait to see gamers casting on the next hsc <3 On the whole tldr i would say we are lucky with what we have. And no i won't be negative on any casters i hate, not sure it helps to even mention it...? | ||
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shadow111
29 Posts
the reason i actually came on however was because i just watch the latest GSL and i like to thank the great casting duo. noRegret with the in-depth insight that no caster can top since he is more than that. and Rapid impressed me the most. i must admit that i hated him at first with the long winded sentences but hes gotten better at using those to a point where his language skills are really entertaining. but thats because thats not all he is now. his years in korea and in all the different esports really show | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16769 Posts
the oxford english dictionary needs to officially acknowledge this new subtlety of the english language | ||
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vyzion87
17 Posts
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shadow111
29 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3411 Posts
I still wonder why they don't give at least one of the casters a pc that is not streamed, just so the casters can look around to check stuff, instead of asking the observer to do it. It could make the casters appear more knowledgeable and it would just seem more professional in general. It seems a lot of casting these days is just pointing out what we see on the screen, which is fine, but that shoe horns most of them into the hype role, since whatever else can they do? Give casters better opportunity to delve deep into a single players build and share that insight by giving them the opportunity to see more than what we see. Whatever happened to keyboard hands, first person view and player camera reactions. We are so lucky that our competitors are actually incredibly impressive in their craft and are wearing their heart on their sleeve by the sheer intensity of this game. When ShowTiMe inevitably scouts the cannon rush from Has on Red Shift, why is it that we don't get player reaction, it would've been sooo good. To be fair we never really mastered player reaction cameras, but it seems no attempt is even made. Also production seems to be in love with slowmotion, it's okay to use, but never, I repeat NEVER slow down a video of a player going ham on his keyboard. When we have a live crowd I would like to see more interaction between the broadcasters and them, really I don't have much to add on this, except that I think there could be more of it. Hosts that can really rile up the crowd are very appreciated by me. The panel host is in a weird spot I think in sc2, some of the best hosting I've seen in this scene comes from people who have limited knowledge of the game and so they ask more genuine questions, which are questions that the viewers might also share, so this is really good. Nathanias is good, but to be honest he would be good in any role, I think he might be too knowledgeable to not have as a caster and also he's one of these guys who can really hype up a cast, so I still think we've not found the perfect role distribution yet. Personally I would love to have Incontrol as the host, since first of all that would mean more of him, which is good but also I think he has a very natural affinity for it, but I'm not here to decide on the matter, I just think there's still experimentation to be done.I guess I should add that Tastosis is not my prefered caster lineup for the finals, which I guess is an unpopular opinion, I do think they're by far the best duo and individually they're amazing as well, but the casts themselves are not at the highest standard for me at least. This is ONLY for the finals btw, it isn't exactly fake hype, but it feels like fake hype. It comes out as too Radio-broadcasty. It's hard to explain, but it's like every single sentence has to be exciting or something so they just ping pong back and forth with one liners. Personally I think the best duo for a finals would be an all out warfare hype cast with Maynarde and Tasteless, not that they go together incredibly well, but for the finals the hype would be warranted. | ||
TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
Disclaimer: this is entirely a personal analysis, based on no hard data on how an eSports casting duo *should* behave, so anyone is welcome to correct me. It comes to the basic purpose of casting a game. A viewer usually listens for a) analysis b) entertainment, in different proportions based on personal preference. Some people keep listening to the Korean casting despite understanding little to none of the words, just because of the hype. Entertainment is not to be underestimated, even without understanding puns and jokes. I, for one, prefer a balanced cast. A very knowledgeable caster with a monotonous voice that delivers dry analysis on the game and fills the gaps with statistical data on the players can lose the viewer's attention. An overly hyped caster, on the other hand, might become distracting and irritating, drawing the focus away from the game itself. Usually, the interaction between two different personalities with different backgrounds can go a long way towards bringing some balance between analysis and entertainment. Quality humour is also a matter of personal preference to some degree, so I won't address that. Rapid is the entertaining kind of caster that sometimes tends to lose track of the game because he's overhyped by a play. That can make him look incompetent sometimes. He actually has decent game knowledge and can provide fairly decent analysis for the casual viewer, when he's focused. He tends to get overboard with hype, missing stuff and crossing the line where more enthusiasm does no longer provide more entertainment. A natural cocaster would be a calmer guy, who keeps track and can draw Rapid back to analysis, and Noregret looks like that kind of guy to me. Maybe this is intentional, I cannot say, but theoretically they should click well. So far he tends to do that by asking questions, using his very limited knowledge and drawing SC2 parallels (serving a dual purpose by addressing the public that crossed over) as a pivot of sorts. Here's the problem: he does not have the necessary knowledge even for that. He does not recognize very basic concepts , so he might let Rapid get excited over nothing or when there's something much more important happening. He asks questions that don't necessarily pull Rapid back on track, instead addressing very, very basic ideas such as science vessels being a good unit against zerg or ranged goons outranging a bunker with marines in it. Instead of keeping flow, these moments disrupt it even more. Simply put, he does not know what to ask. I am sure both guys are trying to give us as much of a good time as they can. But Noregret has not been improving his BW knowledge, so he's forcing Rapid into watering down the cast whenever he's not extremely enthusiastic. I want to emphasize that for me these traits and casting styles are not inherently bad, but in this case they just don't click together as they should. Rapid should try to keep a little more attention to the bigger picture of the game instead of getting lost in hyping over an engagement (which could be very cool and I actually like it, it just needs fine-tuning). Noregret has to catch up on his game knowledge - not trivia, that duo does not need too much of that, Rapid can easily fill in the lulls with hilarious stuff - so he knows actually what to ask. He's a smart guy and he's asking logical questions, with a more focused cocaster he would bring a great bit of fundamental analysis, but then entertainment might suffer. With Rapid he needs to be more knowledgeable about the basics, that's it. With that said, this is by no means intended to be sh.t throwing. Just a basic assessment by me as a pretty casual viewer. Any criticism is more than welcome. | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On August 04 2018 16:55 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: This isn't for a caster, but for duo's getting assigned. The amount of time 2 analysts or 2 color commentators are being assigned to games together at premier events is making a lot of them unwatchable. Having 2 people yelling over each other is not fun to listen to, nor is having two people talk about the intricacies of the game with essentially no excitement. You'd think organizers would no better by now I agree, but there's more to casting than the organizers putting the right personalities together. You gotta work with what you have (offline tournaments in Korea need the casters to be in Korea) and there's the matter of personal responsibility and professional pride. If you get picked to do a job, you don't get picked to do a lousy job, so you must track your deficiencies and work on them. And that's my point - I believe most of the traits these two guys have can be used for a good cast, they need to work on the problems they have as a duo. I doubt Rapid would want to solocast again, it's exhausting to talk calmly for three hours straight, and he's not calm. In theory Noregret is a fine partner personality-wise, but he needs to improve on his knowledge to be a complement in practice. Right now they feel like a younger, hyped up guy with street smarts and his older brother who's leaving campus for the first time in 4 years, and they're discussing going to a party. EDIT: I just realized this is the SC2 section. Rapid redirected us to this thread from a SC:R tournament thread, so I assumed this is about general caster criticism. Any moderator who thinks these posts don't belong here, please tell me if I can move them somewhere. Apologies for the inconvenience. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On August 04 2018 17:27 Noonius wrote: when Tastosis is booked for the event, you know who's gonna be casting the final, and it's getting old. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was in their contract that they get to always do that | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16769 Posts
On August 04 2018 17:27 Noonius wrote: when Tastosis is booked for the event, you know who's gonna be casting the final, and it's getting old. at GSL v. The World.... Tastosis did game 3 onwards. so part of the finals were not casted by them. the casting quality of the GSL v. The World event was very good. i'd say 8.5/10. Tastosis was the best of all the various 2 man combos. Its good they did game 3 onwards of the finals. Tastosis are so relaxed. Their excitement is almost always congruent//commensurate with the action and the moment. When they occasionally flub something they don't get flustered...they deal with it quickly and move forward. They never try to put themselves over. Their concern is always putting the players over and putting the event over. This comes from being grizzled veterans comfortable with their positions and careers as commentators. These guys are the Howard Cosell of RTS casters at this point. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15977 Posts
On August 04 2018 17:27 Noonius wrote: when Tastosis is booked for the event, you know who's gonna be casting the final, and it's getting old. Why? They are the best | ||
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runn3r5uk
13 Posts
rotterdam is a boss. When the others on the panel arent trying to bring him down to their level and he has to fight out of the corner to get out of the goof, hes just the best caster sc have. for me all of the casters have their place but the ones i really mute for are incontrol, tod, nathanias, maynarde and artosis. ye, i said it. the simple reason being it all seems a little bit of a meme when they cast. stupid facepalm comments are said and they never seem to let it go. there was a section in a recent tournament where there was a term being banded around, one i hadnt heard of either and they just went on about that for 4 hrs. Its like these ones more than the others try to tongue in cheek every single sentence. incontrol and artosis for me are just way to goof and that stupid woooooohhhh artosis does has me press mute immediately. Also with these guys their filler is how uch they can plum into how much the next game is going to be epic when we know full well its going to be the exact same game of sc weve seen a million times in the hope we get some differing execution and builds. Rotterdam avoids this and talks about stats and meetups, its pure class really. All the above being said, the casters arent that bad but i just wish the jokes were a bit more quick snappy and more intelligent rather than getting into that ugh cycle they always seem to do. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
Looking back at really old VODs, Tasetosis have done a lot of work on improving their speech over the years, they don't even sound like the same people anymore. On a side note, I enjoy the Tasteless and Maynard's combo and the Artosis and Rotti combos. | ||
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