EPTI post here to mention that I started to really like Maynard casting: it's so nice to hear his excitement when commentating an awesome play, it feels really genuine!
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VHbb
689 Posts
I post here to mention that I started to really like Maynard casting: it's so nice to hear his excitement when commentating an awesome play, it feels really genuine! | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16680 Posts
On August 06 2018 23:55 iNcontroL wrote: this thread fucking blows lol nah, its not that bad. there may be the odd "hot take" in here but that's about it. On August 07 2018 00:06 Zzoram wrote: I think feardragon could improve the clarity of his words during hype moments if he slows down just a bit and enunciates more. i agree. overall he is solid though. | ||
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iNcontroL
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Immaterial
Canada510 Posts
On August 07 2018 02:21 iNcontroL wrote: nah, I think it blows. You aren't a caster I'm not sure you'd understand. I'm gonna guess you will talk like you do though. I think this is intended to be a containment thread for the most part. So when some incessant caster criticism pops up elsewhere, the poster will be directed to make their comments here rather than shitting up some other thread. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
This thread doesn't blow. If you don't like it, don't go to it. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On August 06 2018 23:55 iNcontroL wrote: this thread fucking blows lol you need to cast more | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On August 07 2018 02:55 opisska wrote: God forbid people made comments on the work of people to whom they are basically customers! Honestly I like inControl's stage presence, he continues to be funny even after so many years and is one of the reasons why I will always tune to HSC, but I really don't like his attitude towards his audience. You know, the people he is supposed to entertain. Yes, I know it was just two snark remarks, yet it is aggravating. This thread doesn't blow. If you don't like it, don't go to it. yeah man! My audience in this thread? Sorry.. doesn't work like that. The people in this thread saying they "mute me" etc.. not really my audience by their own admission. Anyways, you are right. I shouldn't come here.. TL has been a bad place for anyone in my position to post for awhile. yet I keep coming back to talk to my actual audience.. doesn't mean if I see dumb threads I won't call it like it is. This thread has very little constructive criticism and more "i like X caster because unlike Y caster they do [random thing this person likes]" over and over. It's stupid | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On August 07 2018 03:19 iNcontroL wrote: yeah man! My audience in this thread? Sorry.. doesn't work like that. The people in this thread saying they "mute me" etc.. not really my audience by their own admission. Anyways, you are right. I shouldn't come here.. TL has been a bad place for anyone in my position to post for awhile. yet I keep coming back to talk to my actual audience.. doesn't mean if I see dumb threads I won't call it like it is. This thread has very little constructive criticism and more "i like X caster because unlike Y caster they do [random thing this person likes]" over and over. It's stupid Honestly I see how it is a little sad, you probably grew up with this forum as a place to hang out with friends and then you became a sort of public person in this little courtyard and the atmosphere here went to shit for you. But I think it doesn't have to be that bad, just don't go looking for haters if they make you unhappy. Even in this thread and all the other places related to you work, there are many appreciative posts. But this was kinda TL's choice, it has become "mainstream" and it has specifically worked on trying to be the net's central hub for several games. We "outsiders" wouldn't have come here if we didn't feel invited, you can't complain that you hear the opinions of a random joe viewer when people running this place actively encouraged said joe to come here. So I think you making posts against that is .... well in your words, dumb. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16680 Posts
any how, i hope ZombieGrub and Rotterdam get expanded roles at Blizzcon. They are killing it this year. On August 07 2018 02:21 iNcontroL wrote: nah, I think it blows. You aren't a caster I'm not sure you'd understand. I'm gonna guess you will talk like you do though. i can accept how you feel. | ||
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Q~Bert
United States663 Posts
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On August 07 2018 03:19 iNcontroL wrote: yeah man! My audience in this thread? Sorry.. doesn't work like that. The people in this thread saying they "mute me" etc.. not really my audience by their own admission. Anyways, you are right. I shouldn't come here.. TL has been a bad place for anyone in my position to post for awhile. yet I keep coming back to talk to my actual audience.. doesn't mean if I see dumb threads I won't call it like it is. This thread has very little constructive criticism and more "i like X caster because unlike Y caster they do [random thing this person likes]" over and over. It's stupid You really need to get over yourself for five seconds there buddy. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
You get em champ! That'll learn em! + Show Spoiler + Because why be civil right? When has that ever helped anyone? | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On August 07 2018 23:54 207aicila wrote: Nothing like a week old account named after a reference to a show that hasn't been good in 15 years to take that pesky iNcontroL fellow down a peg. You get em champ! That'll learn em! + Show Spoiler + Because why be civil right? When has that ever helped anyone? True, iNcontroL could be a bit more civil. | ||
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MasterCynical
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feardragon
United States970 Posts
Sure there's not a massive wall of text providing reasoning why they believe it but...a lot of the posts in this thread don't have a lot of specific or reasonable reasoning why they think ___ commentator sucks. You're free to state your opinion within the guidelines set by Team Liquid mods but please don't be shocked that casters don't actually have to listen, consider or even respect your feedback. They're also allowed to reply to it how they want within the guidelines set by Team Liquid. The double standard regarding this has been bugging me lately so I just wanted to get that out there. | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On August 08 2018 04:42 feardragon wrote: Not to speak for Geoff but I do find it funny when people will berate casters in this thread and do much worse than name calling in their "criticism" but if the caster responds with anything except "thank you for that feedback, your input is most valuable", there seems to be some strong reaction from people that it's not ok for them to do that. Not even anything that extreme, just stating their opinion that someone is behaving like an ass or that a thread is unproductive. A lot of people love to dish out their opinion that they don't like someone and get extremely offended when similar criticism is levied at them or their opinion. Sure there's not a massive wall of text providing reasoning why they believe it but...a lot of the posts in this thread don't have a lot of specific or reasonable reasoning why they think ___ commentator sucks. You're free to state your opinion within the guidelines set by Team Liquid mods but please don't be shocked that casters don't actually have to listen, consider or even respect your feedback. They're also allowed to reply to it how they want within the guidelines set by Team Liquid. The double standard regarding this has been bugging me lately so I just wanted to get that out there. What are some examples in this thread for that double standard you're talking about? Without them I'm not sure what you mean exactly, since it's obvious that random forum posters making a bad post are gonna get less of a reaction than popular community figures (and that lack of reaction is by no means endorsement), so I don't think that is your point? I've not been following the thread too closely, so I might be missing some, but the only case where I felt a caster got an unwarranted reaction was when Wax "called out" Incontrol on what I thought was a perfectly fine response (and I agree with his point that the comparison was bad), but then Incontrol went with a kneejerk response at Wax so it became a mess that nobody wanted to get involved in. | ||
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JWD[9]
364 Posts
I did not watch much of the tournament, Harstem won the particular match and took the jab well, so all is good and no harm done and maybe the whole Tourney wasn't very serious and, as the young folk like to say, a "clown-fiesta". Just in case it was not, I wanted to say, I was shocked when Wardi used his Referee position during the Map-testing tourney to add salt to the wound when Harstem flew his pheonix into the neutral missile turrets and Wardi in that moment, in the in-game chat wrote to all "Play of the tournament" and "GG". My dainty soul would have been flabbergasted in Harstem's position. It probably was nothing and Wardi probably would never do this in a more serious setting, maybe he send it to all on accident. Still shocked I tell you, I was. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/291440704 41:10 He probably was also not nagging harstem, but pointing out the serendipitous flow of actions. I just would mind if Refs starting chatting in all game chat while I am playing a tournament. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
The "passion" that you are portraying while casting is not believable. It does not feel genuine. It seems phony and manufactured. Whenever I listen to an official esports cast from LoL, CS:GO, overwatch etc, I can sense the passion. I can sense they actually care. This isn't the case with sc2 casters. I see a group of guys "trying" to be passionate in an attempt to sell whatever idea or narrative they are currently trying to push. I don't see passion. It's just not believable. Also, Enough of the shitty jokes already. You don't see this in major sports broadcasting. They limit it to good jokes only(mainly a 1 line quip). Sorry guys, but your fart, poop and "fuck" jokes do nothing but make you look childish and taint the broadcast. Just stop it already. I look at/listen to the casting crew for LoL and Overwatch and I see professionalism & passion. It feels like i'm being delivered ESPN content. It feels real, It feel genuine. When I listen to the official sc2 broadcasts, It feels like the whole shindig is ran by rookies who care more about collecting a paycheck or kids who were partying too hard the night before doing just enough to "pass" for the day. It's not quite as bad as the nasl was, but it is definitely mediocre. I do have to give credit to 2 of the newer casters. Maynard and feardragon. Their energy is unmatched. It feels authentic. It feels like they care. I don't get this with tasteless or incontrol. Also, props to basetrade, He actually gives a shit(you can tell). Another thing. Dress professional. Your crooked and improperly tied Tie looks bad. Your unbuttoned shirt exposing your tacomeat is bad. This isn't playgirl gentlemen. Your collared dresshirt with the curled up collar that isn't ironed looks like shit. Get some class. Most of you are in your 30s, act like it. Incase some of you didn't have a father or mother to teach you these things, maybe go on youtube for some videos and educate yourself. Clean up and look good. Want people to take it serious? Look serious and portray REAL passion. Enough of the faking. My 2 sense in under 2 minutes. Utterly brutal and honest. Blizzard really needs to properly manage the events so that fans aren't delivered mediocre content. I'd recommend they start rotating out casters that have lost their passion and find new ones. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On August 08 2018 21:22 ReachTheSky wrote: Also, props to basetrade, He actually gives a shit(you can tell). Lol, I actually thought your post was serious until I reached this part, good one. Thanks for the laughs! | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On August 08 2018 21:22 ReachTheSky wrote: Here is my harsh and brutally honest feedback geared towards the majority of casters. The "passion" that you are portraying while casting is not believable. It does not feel genuine. It seems phony and manufactured. Whenever I listen to an official esports cast from LoL, CS:GO, overwatch etc, I can sense the passion. I can sense they actually care. This isn't the case with sc2 casters. I see a group of guys "trying" to be passionate in an attempt to sell whatever idea or narrative they are currently trying to push. I don't see passion. It's just not believable. Also, Enough of the shitty jokes already. You don't see this in major sports broadcasting. They limit it to good jokes only(mainly a 1 line quip). Sorry guys, but your fart, poop and "fuck" jokes do nothing but make you look childish and taint the broadcast. Just stop it already. I look at/listen to the casting crew for LoL and Overwatch and I see professionalism & passion. It feels like i'm being delivered ESPN content. It feels real, It feel genuine. When I listen to the official sc2 broadcasts, It feels like the whole shindig is ran by rookies who care more about collecting a paycheck or kids who were partying too hard the night before doing just enough to "pass" for the day. It's not quite as bad as the nasl was, but it is definitely mediocre. I do have to give credit to 2 of the newer casters. Maynard and feardragon. Their energy is unmatched. It feels authentic. It feels like they care. I don't get this with tasteless or incontrol. Also, props to basetrade, He actually gives a shit(you can tell). Another thing. Dress professional. Your crooked and improperly tied Tie looks bad. Your unbuttoned shirt exposing your tacomeat is bad. This isn't playgirl gentlemen. Your collared dresshirt with the curled up collar that isn't ironed looks like shit. Get some class. Most of you are in your 30s, act like it. Incase some of you didn't have a father or mother to teach you these things, maybe go on youtube for some videos and educate yourself. Clean up and look good. Want people to take it serious? Look serious and portray REAL passion. Enough of the faking. My 2 sense in under 2 minutes. Utterly brutal and honest. Blizzard really needs to properly manage the events so that fans aren't delivered mediocre content. I'd recommend they start rotating out casters that have lost their passion and find new ones. I don't know where to start with how wrong most of this is | ||
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