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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On August 08 2018 21:29 207aicila wrote: Lol, I actually thought your post was serious until I reached this part, good one. Thanks for the laughs! Rifkin does care about the game and the community, he's an asshole alot, but that doesn't change things | ||
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uummpaa
238 Posts
On August 07 2018 02:21 iNcontroL wrote: nah, I think it blows. You aren't a caster I'm not sure you'd understand. I'm gonna guess you will talk like you do though. no dad, you don't understand.... just like an argument with my daughter. despite the fact, that you don't need to work in a profession to give feedback (yes we non-casters get feedback as well in our totally different lives), there are surely no jobs that involve speaking and presenting themselves in front of an audience. i get it when feardragon and noregret and the such behave like that, they are still somewhat young. but you are a grown ass adult, you should be able to filter out the nonsense and if people make the effort to state their opinion in a somewhat constructive way to at least think about it. i mean i myself don't agree with "the best article" at all points, but if a caster reads through it and not even a little bit identifies himself in that, then self-reflection is apparently a different thing for me. i don't get it, one the one hand you fight for casters/esports to be taken seriously and get proper payment for their work, on the other you people behave like high schoolers when you are faced with critique. | ||
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DSK
England1110 Posts
On August 08 2018 04:42 feardragon wrote: Not to speak for Geoff but I do find it funny when people will berate casters in this thread and do much worse than name calling in their "criticism" but if the caster responds with anything except "thank you for that feedback, your input is most valuable", there seems to be some strong reaction from people that it's not ok for them to do that. Not even anything that extreme, just stating their opinion that someone is behaving like an ass or that a thread is unproductive. A lot of people love to dish out their opinion that they don't like someone and get extremely offended when similar criticism is levied at them or their opinion. Sure there's not a massive wall of text providing reasoning why they believe it but...a lot of the posts in this thread don't have a lot of specific or reasonable reasoning why they think ___ commentator sucks. You're free to state your opinion within the guidelines set by Team Liquid mods but please don't be shocked that casters don't actually have to listen, consider or even respect your feedback. They're also allowed to reply to it how they want within the guidelines set by Team Liquid. The double standard regarding this has been bugging me lately so I just wanted to get that out there. I can respect that a lot of what can be read in this thread, in streams and Twitch chats can be offensive and at times downright hurtful. I also appreciate that casting in and of itself isn't an easy job to do, particularly when you have to do it for a great many hours on end with all the other meta elements in place (flagging energy, jet lag to name a few). However, I'd also like to say that there is also a portion of the StarCraft and TL community that do want to help individuals such as casters to give them support and give appreciation for their hard work. The amount of collaboration that has taken place in the community clearly proves this. So if a member of the forum makes a post that is challenging how a caster approaches how he contributes to the stream or event, they might be genuinely trying to offer feedback on how they think that effort could be improved - even if it's subjective to that poster and might not strike a chord. Feel free to take it on board, read it chuckle and forget about it, or avoid such things entirely. However, down-right inflammatory remarks in response to seemingly benign posts should not be condoned under any circumstances. On April 09 2018 15:56 iNcontroL wrote: I think you'd be one of the absolute last people I'd ever even consider taking advice from in regards to "can you say things non douchey" Lol wax You are straight up an asshole and I think you know it. Lets pretend here for a second you aren't throwing rocks in a glass house and just chill your tits lol Sadly, the above isn't an isolated case and said conduct does iNcontroL a dis-service. OP: I managed to catch the finals of GSL vs the World and would like to give props to Maynarde, Rotterdam and Tastosis for some great casting. I couldn't do much work whilst listening in because the experience was so engrossing and the hype for the final was just electric. | ||
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WardiTV
605 Posts
On August 08 2018 20:46 JWD[9] wrote: Let me preface this: I did not watch much of the tournament, Harstem won the particular match and took the jab well, so all is good and no harm done and maybe the whole Tourney wasn't very serious and, as the young folk like to say, a "clown-fiesta". Just in case it was not, I wanted to say, I was shocked when Wardi used his Referee position during the Map-testing tourney to add salt to the wound when Harstem flew his pheonix into the neutral missile turrets and Wardi in that moment, in the in-game chat wrote to all "Play of the tournament" and "GG". My dainty soul would have been flabbergasted in Harstem's position. It probably was nothing and Wardi probably would never do this in a more serious setting, maybe he send it to all on accident. Still shocked I tell you, I was. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/291440704 41:10 He probably was also not nagging harstem, but pointing out the serendipitous flow of actions. I just would mind if Refs starting chatting in all game chat while I am playing a tournament. I'm good friends with Harstem and we were already memeing about the turrets a lot. Also there was a separate prize pool for "play of the tournament using the maps", so the "Play of the tournament" was a reference to that, which is what made it funny in general. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On August 09 2018 01:35 uummpaa wrote: no dad, you don't understand.... just like an argument with my daughter. despite the fact, that you don't need to work in a profession to give feedback (yes we non-casters get feedback as well in our totally different lives), there are surely no jobs that involve speaking and presenting themselves in front of an audience. i get it when feardragon and noregret and the such behave like that, they are still somewhat young. but you are a grown ass adult, you should be able to filter out the nonsense and if people make the effort to state their opinion in a somewhat constructive way to at least think about it. i mean i myself don't agree with "the best article" at all points, but if a caster reads through it and not even a little bit identifies himself in that, then self-reflection is apparently a different thing for me. i don't get it, one the one hand you fight for casters/esports to be taken seriously and get proper payment for their work, on the other you people behave like high schoolers when you are faced with critique. hey dad, Wasn't talking about the article you are referencing. In fact we had a really nice Pylon Show episode on that where I basically defended the article and talked about the importance of criticism. Here, in this thread, which I said "sucks" or "blows" I stand by what I said. And despite being a "grown ass adult" I can still say stuff like "this thread fucking sucks" while maintaining my age and profession, imagine that? This is a shitty thread where people are saying things from a variety of amazing little stuff like "they are acting like bad announcers" or "I mute them all" so I called it out. You don't like that? Color me shocked! Hopefully next time you will at least grasp the topic before you patronize me old guy! | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On August 09 2018 03:34 DSK wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2018 04:42 feardragon wrote: Not to speak for Geoff but I do find it funny when people will berate casters in this thread and do much worse than name calling in their "criticism" but if the caster responds with anything except "thank you for that feedback, your input is most valuable", there seems to be some strong reaction from people that it's not ok for them to do that. Not even anything that extreme, just stating their opinion that someone is behaving like an ass or that a thread is unproductive. A lot of people love to dish out their opinion that they don't like someone and get extremely offended when similar criticism is levied at them or their opinion. Sure there's not a massive wall of text providing reasoning why they believe it but...a lot of the posts in this thread don't have a lot of specific or reasonable reasoning why they think ___ commentator sucks. You're free to state your opinion within the guidelines set by Team Liquid mods but please don't be shocked that casters don't actually have to listen, consider or even respect your feedback. They're also allowed to reply to it how they want within the guidelines set by Team Liquid. The double standard regarding this has been bugging me lately so I just wanted to get that out there. I can respect that a lot of what can be read in this thread, in streams and Twitch chats can be offensive and at times downright hurtful. I also appreciate that casting in and of itself isn't an easy job to do, particularly when you have to do it for a great many hours on end with all the other meta elements in place (flagging energy, jet lag to name a few). However, I'd also like to say that there is also a portion of the StarCraft and TL community that do want to help individuals such as casters to give them support and give appreciation for their hard work. The amount of collaboration that has taken place in the community clearly proves this. So if a member of the forum makes a post that is challenging how a caster approaches how he contributes to the stream or event, they might be genuinely trying to offer feedback on how they think that effort could be improved - even if it's subjective to that poster and might not strike a chord. Feel free to take it on board, read it chuckle and forget about it, or avoid such things entirely. However, down-right inflammatory remarks in response to seemingly benign posts should not be condoned under any circumstances. On April 09 2018 15:56 iNcontroL wrote: I think you'd be one of the absolute last people I'd ever even consider taking advice from in regards to "can you say things non douchey" Lol wax You are straight up an asshole and I think you know it. Lets pretend here for a second you aren't throwing rocks in a glass house and just chill your tits lol Sadly, the above isn't an isolated case and said conduct does iNcontroL a dis-service. OP: I managed to catch the finals of GSL vs the World and would like to give props to Maynarde, Rotterdam and Tastosis for some great casting. I couldn't do much work whilst listening in because the experience was so engrossing and the hype for the final was just electric. Want to quote for me some constructive criticism? Would you like me to skip ahead and quote for you the douchey stuff said? Wax and I have history..mostly he is a snarky asshole and I am a sensitive nancy that gets mad at his snark. You being a TL hero who is offended by our interaction is awesome though.. I will write about it in my leather bound journal tonight in candle light. | ||
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uummpaa
238 Posts
On August 09 2018 04:48 iNcontroL wrote: hey dad, Wasn't talking about the article you are referencing. In fact we had a really nice Pylon Show episode on that where I basically defended the article and talked about the importance of criticism. Here, in this thread, which I said "sucks" or "blows" I stand by what I said. And despite being a "grown ass adult" I can still say stuff like "this thread fucking sucks" while maintaining my age and profession, imagine that? This is a shitty thread where people are saying things from a variety of amazing little stuff like "they are acting like bad announcers" or "I mute them all" so I called it out. You don't like that? Color me shocked! Hopefully next time you will at least grasp the topic before you patronize me old guy! yeah yeah, no critique in this thread goes beyond stupid oneliners or insults. no real points or constructive criticism, sure thing if you say so i watched the pylon episode, there wasn't much besides "thats just not true", and my oh so missed point was to concentrate on the good feedback and ignore the rest (like the rest of us do in this thing called life) but hey i know when someone i obviously on an other lvl with reasoning. so long and enjoy your bubble | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 09 2018 04:48 iNcontroL wrote: hey dad, Wasn't talking about the article you are referencing. In fact we had a really nice Pylon Show episode on that where I basically defended the article and talked about the importance of criticism. Here, in this thread, which I said "sucks" or "blows" I stand by what I said. And despite being a "grown ass adult" I can still say stuff like "this thread fucking sucks" while maintaining my age and profession, imagine that? This is a shitty thread where people are saying things from a variety of amazing little stuff like "they are acting like bad announcers" or "I mute them all" so I called it out. You don't like that? Color me shocked! Hopefully next time you will at least grasp the topic before you patronize me old guy! The Pylon Show episode was very nice, and criticism was certainly discussed. However I'm not sure how much of it was taken to heart. Certainly not all criticism is valid, and much of it can be safely ignored. However Artosis in particular seemed to be really aggrieved that people would even consider criticizing him (rightly or wrongly) over overhype/lazy narrative stuff, considering the amount of jabs he took at the article during GSL vs the World. That's not the attitude of someone who's actually receptive to criticism. Though this thread does suck. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On August 09 2018 05:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote: The Pylon Show episode was very nice, and criticism was certainly discussed. However I'm not sure how much of it was taken to heart. Certainly not all criticism is valid, and much of it can be safely ignored. However Artosis in particular seemed to be really aggrieved that people would even consider criticizing him (rightly or wrongly) over overhype/lazy narrative stuff, considering the amount of jabs he took at the article during GSL vs the World. That's not the attitude of someone who's actually receptive to criticism. Though this thread does suck. Yes, he was defensive. I can't speak fully for him obviously but he started by saying he was miffed that he was the only commentator named.. I think that him being defensive from that is fairly understandable. I don't think we should take from that that Dan is immune to criticism. Just my 2 cents. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On August 09 2018 05:26 uummpaa wrote: yeah yeah, no critique in this thread goes beyond stupid oneliners or insults. no real points or constructive criticism, sure thing if you say so i watched the pylon episode, there wasn't much besides "thats just not true", and my oh so missed point was to concentrate on the good feedback and ignore the rest (like the rest of us do in this thing called life) but hey i know when someone i obviously on an other lvl with reasoning. so long and enjoy your bubble Excellent. You sound like just the kinda guy I would take seriously in a discussion on feedback and how to handle it LOL. Thanks for watching the show.. cya later today! | ||
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Gorgonoth
United States468 Posts
As much of a fan that I am of Geoff's casting, it seems like his interactions with the Forum have been unnecessarily abrasive and toxic. | ||
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SMOrangeUtan
21 Posts
On August 09 2018 05:52 iNcontroL wrote: Yes, he was defensive. I can't speak fully for him obviously but he started by saying he was miffed that he was the only commentator named.. I think that him being defensive from that is fairly understandable. I don't think we should take from that that Dan is immune to criticism. Just my 2 cents. Considering he apparently had read the article shortly before the episode I would think it to be understandable that he was still a bit emotional about it. Also I think that in the later parts of the topic you can already see his statements become more calm and reflective. So yea my first reaction to Artosis' defensive stance was also a bit irritated but it wore off the more time went by. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On August 09 2018 06:05 starkiller123 wrote: ironic that incontrol is accusing someone of being a snarky asshole Takes one to know one? You think I'm about to claim I'm not a snarky asshole? lol Also.. your entire logic is invalid. Someone BEING something doesn't mean they can't say someone else is the same thing lol. In fact, they may be the best person to identify it. It'd be like you calling someone else an irrelevant forum rando and them being like "that's ironic coming from you!" you'd both be right! | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On August 09 2018 06:00 Gorgonoth wrote: Besides the one post before Incontrol's "this thread fucking blows" Most of this thread was pretty on topic and constructive with the occasional oddball rant. I feel like you, Incontrol are the one making this thread devisive by going around and throwing out blanket statements like that. As much of a fan that I am of Geoff's casting, it seems like his interactions with the Forum have been unnecessarily abrasive and toxic. Yes I'm abrasive and toxic in here with the people being abrasive and toxic. I don't feel bad about that.. no amount of the classic "I'm a fan BUT" is going to change that. And no.. the thread wasn't mostly constructive before my post lol. My post was in after reading pages of dumb shit. If you think otherwise that's fine.. it's your opinion. Just like mine is that this thread fucking blows. | ||
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Gorgonoth
United States468 Posts
On August 09 2018 06:14 iNcontroL wrote: Yes I'm abrasive and toxic in here with the people being abrasive and toxic. I don't feel bad about that.. no amount of the classic "I'm a fan BUT" is going to change that. And no.. the thread wasn't mostly constructive before my post lol. My post was in after reading pages of dumb shit. If you think otherwise that's fine.. it's your opinion. Just like mine is that this thread fucking blows. Sure I can see your point. I just think that you stir up things alot in various forums, then complain about how "toxic the Bw community is", when you've done/said some pretty inflamatory things. Maybe I am not seeing things fully, but its been bothering me for a while. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On August 09 2018 06:26 Gorgonoth wrote: Sure I can see your point. I just think that you stir up things alot in various forums, then complain about how "toxic the Bw community is", when you've done/said some pretty inflamatory things. Maybe I am not seeing things fully, but its been bothering me for a while. Check my posting history mate. I've posted in here as a result and response to a bunch of dumb comments..I'm not at all calling out the people actually using this thread correctly. You have a chip on your shoulder because 5 months ago I said the BW community on TL is mostly toxic.. which it is. Ok, just don't let it keep you up at night. I don't post on here about BW except 2 times a year or so. I'm sorry if it wounded you though. | ||
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Gorgonoth
United States468 Posts
On August 09 2018 06:28 iNcontroL wrote: Check my posting history mate. I've posted in here as a result and response to a bunch of dumb comments..I'm not at all calling out the people actually using this thread correctly. You have a chip on your shoulder because a number of months ago I said the BW community on TL is toxic.. which it is. Ok, just don't let it keep you up at night. I don't post on here about BW except 3 times a year or so. I'm sorry if it wounded you though. I am not denying or agreeing that the community is toxic, I am just saying I think you have contributed to the general angst in a lot of threads, then proceeded to complain about it. Have no chip on my shoulder whatsoever. Maybe I am completely wrong, but it is just my perception. | ||
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Gorgonoth
United States468 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On August 09 2018 06:34 Gorgonoth wrote: I am not denying or agreeing that the community is toxic, I am just saying I think you have contributed to the general angst in a lot of threads, then proceeded to complain about it. Have no chip on my shoulder whatsoever. Maybe I am completely wrong, but it is just my perception. Again, I am not going to let people say dumb shit about me or my peers without me chiming in every once in awhile. Me "contributing to the angst" is not going to greatly concern me. I keep my mouth shut about 99% of the shit that gets flung my way. Again, you can check my posting history..it's all there for plain joes like yourself. People talk civil with me I respond in kind. People say shit that is meant to hurt my feelings or just be mean? I'm not going to hand them a lollipop. It's who I've been for the 15+ years I've been here mate. | ||
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