EPTThey arent doing serral any favors... so many people ended up disliking neeb partly because of all the gushing that casters gave him.
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Rodya
546 Posts
They arent doing serral any favors... so many people ended up disliking neeb partly because of all the gushing that casters gave him. | ||
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Elentos
55552 Posts
On August 24 2018 05:07 Rodya wrote: I feel like Artosis' anti-protoss bias has been entering into his casts more lately. Artosis PLAYS Protoss | ||
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LTCM
174 Posts
On August 24 2018 04:34 _fool wrote: Wait what? He may not be your cup'a tea, but the guy puts in the hours and effort. You have to acknowledge that. You could put in hundreds of hours on the baseball diamond but that doesn't make you an professional athlete. He trys, I'll give him that. | ||
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Nick6
3 Posts
nah, artosis is terran in brood war. he doesn't really play SC2, so he does not play protoss | ||
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noise.harvester
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 24 2018 13:12 Nick6 wrote: nah, artosis is terran in brood war. he doesn't really play SC2, so he does not play protoss Got it, thx. | ||
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Drfilip
Sweden590 Posts
On August 24 2018 13:12 Nick6 wrote: nah, artosis is terran in brood war. he doesn't really play SC2, so he does not play protoss He doesn't play SC2 nor is he playing protoss, you say? Is that way he says "my oracles die to that widow mine" and other similar sentences? Artosis is playing SC2 as protoss. | ||
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Rodya
546 Posts
On August 26 2018 05:53 Drfilip wrote: He doesn't play SC2 nor is he playing protoss, you say? Is that way he says "my oracles die to that widow mine" and other similar sentences? Artosis is playing SC2 as protoss. Oh I see, I can clear this up. In the US, when someone says e.g. "my zealots would just run around in circles and die", they don't mean "I have been in this situation many many times, and my zealots always run in circles and die". What they mean is that "if I were in this EXACT SAME position in this EXACT MOMENT, then my zealots would have ran around in circles and died, instead of being microd perfectly" It's true that Artosis has played a lot of protoss in SC2, but he has an anti-protoss bias, and he is primarily a terran player (this is a byproduct of the fact that he is a BW player who played SC2 for a bit; I'm pretty sure that he'd agree with this statement). | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On August 26 2018 06:13 Rodya wrote: Oh I see, I can clear this up. In the US, when someone says e.g. "my zealots would just run around in circles and die", they don't mean "I have been in this situation many many times, and my zealots always run in circles and die". What they mean is that "if I were in this EXACT SAME position in this EXACT MOMENT, then my zealots would have ran around in circles and died, instead of being microd perfectly" It's true that Artosis has played a lot of protoss in SC2, but he has an anti-protoss bias, and he is primarily a terran player (this is a byproduct of the fact that he is a BW player who played SC2 for a bit; I'm pretty sure that he'd agree with this statement). I don't know where you're getting your information from but it certainly isn't Artosis' stream. In SC2 he has flip-flopped between Zerg and Protoss, and never really liked Terran. Because SC2 Terran plays nothing like BW Terran. And Artosis of all people would know that. | ||
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billynasty
United States260 Posts
On August 24 2018 05:07 Rodya wrote: I feel like Artosis' anti-protoss bias has been entering into his casts more lately. I also am annoyed with how quickly people like rotti and tasteless say that serral is the greatest player in the world because he had one good tournament. They arent doing serral any favors... so many people ended up disliking neeb partly because of all the gushing that casters gave him. If people like someone solely because other people like them, then tbh I don't care about their opinions at all because its not their opinion, theyre just following the bandwagon. The same thing goes in reverse. If you have an opinion for why someone shouldn't be liked then thats a different story & should be evaluated on its merits. But i don't see any evidence that points to people disliking Serral just because others say he's the greatest in the world right now. And if some do for that reason alone, then who cares because it has nothing to do with his gameplay and/or results, which is what should matter. But Serral hasn't had just 1 good tournament, he's been overall dominating the WCS scene for over a year now & obviously we all know who & how he took down players at GSL vs The World. A lot of this debate comes down to semantics for me, but Serral has to be considered the greatest foreigner in the world atm, period. I don't think theres any debating that right now. As for him vs top koreans, we only have a small sample size in tournament play. But he does appear to be among the best in the world right now. Is he the best best? Idk. I dont think you're ever gonna get a clear cut answer on that for any player. Whether it be Maru or Stats or Serral or anyone. People will have their own favorites & selections for that honor. I suppose whoever wins Blizzcon will be crowned best in the world. But for me that could always mean they were simply the best at that event. I think one needs to look at everything in its totality. Perhaps if there wasn't region locking & koreans were able to compete in the WCS Circuit we could have more information to go on. Or if Serral entered the GSL we could see how he stacks up then. Until any of that happens, people will continue to debate the subject & thats fun to do & gets fans hyped. But to say you or someone else won't like a player just because he makes people excited & amazed with his gameplay &/or results, it just sounds a bit ridiculous to me. Serral can't control what others say about him. All he can control is how he performs in games & by all accounts he's been doing pretty darned good. The games are all that should matter. | ||
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Rodya
546 Posts
But I agree with the rest you've said, pretty much. | ||
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billynasty
United States260 Posts
On August 26 2018 12:53 Rodya wrote: You misunderstood me - I'm saying that when you overhype a player, then it creates an aura of arrogance around them, even if they are not arrogant themselves. It's a psychological issue, I'm not saying that I hate players who are popular. It's also seen as disrespectful to some to say a foreigner is the best in the world after one weekend tournament. These things can cause people to like Serral less for reasons that aren't related to his personal behavior or play, which I agree is not what we want, but this will very likely occur the more he is overhyped. But I agree with the rest you've said, pretty much. Well I guess thats the 1 point I dont understand, where you say people claimed him to be the best in the world after 1 weekend tournament. Because it was 1 weekend tournament after a years worth of dominating the WCS circuit. If it just was a one off random event win then sure, but it wasnt. He won 4 major events prior to that 1 weekend. On the 1v1 ladder he broke the 7k mmr barrier & was on top the ladder on whatever server he played on. What you're referring to is a fluke. Someone like Has's 2nd place run at Valencia for instance. If Has had won & people said he was the greatest player than yeah i'd take issue with that, but I wouldn't hate him or dislike him for what others said. I don't view Serral's performance at GSLVW as a fluke & I'd have a hard time taking anyone's comments to that effect seriously after the year Serral's had. That win was a culmination of everything leading up to it. I get the point youre trying to make, but I think perhaps i'm just the wrong person to think like what you're proposing. I'm too much of an independent thinker to allow peoples opinions to have a serious effect on how I view him. Especially in light of his steady rise to greatness & with all of his achievements this year. For the people it does effect whoever they may be I could care less, thats their problem. I don't think casters should be afraid to give praise to a player on a run like Serral, on the slight chance that some people might dislike Serral because of it. That whole idea just sounds ridiculous to me. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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shadow111
29 Posts
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RAPiDCasting
Korea (South)594 Posts
On August 26 2018 12:53 Rodya wrote: You misunderstood me - I'm saying that when you overhype a player, then it creates an aura of arrogance around them, even if they are not arrogant themselves. It's a psychological issue, I'm not saying that I hate players who are popular. It's also seen as disrespectful to some to say a foreigner is the best in the world after one weekend tournament. These things can cause people to like Serral less for reasons that aren't related to his personal behavior or play, which I agree is not what we want, but this will very likely occur the more he is overhyped. But I agree with the rest you've said, pretty much. No. This is not what happens. | ||
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JD.Cursed
United States19 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16719 Posts
On August 26 2018 16:12 JD.Cursed wrote: Rifkin! I first want to say that your a great organizer, producer, and host. You are great at all those. Now I want to say that your terrible at observing and casting. Its your choice whether or not to dismiss this post as irrelevant now but I would hope you take in this advice: You seriously need to develop and hone your understanding of the game. Every time I give you the benefit of the doubt and tune into BTTV, you disappoint me by displaying your ignorance. i think using a word like 'ignorance' when we're discussing knowledge of the tiny details of video game competition needlessly infames the conversation. if you are concerned Rifkin won't accept your criticism try communicating in a more clinical and less emotional manner. try something like this: imo, Rifkin is informative during BTTV events, however, he is no where near the level of the WCS casters. When Rifkin does marathon casts the quality of his work declines substantially. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
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JWD[9]
364 Posts
I guess Rifkin is like Ska-music, not for me, but not all music has to be. | ||
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