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On August 27 2018 01:34 brickrd wrote:
rifkin's casting isn't even awful. he has the presence to put in hours of entertainment work and bring events to the community day after day, which is a really valuable. unfortunately the real problems with rifkin are about his attitude toward fans and players, not his casting.
Can't really rag on someone's casting if there isn't any, and the commentary talks about bits and subs instead.
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Incredible how hilarious Tasteless and Artosis still are. They just don't get sick of each other. Tasteless' conspiracy bid (Vaccines cause autism, chemtrails, more than two genders, moon landing was fake, Hitler lives in Argentina etc) had me in stitches. And that Artosis-hates-Warcraft 3 story was fantastic.
I do hope they'll be casting forever.
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On August 27 2018 06:40 JWD[9] wrote:
While I do agree, that I'd rather take all the many, many good things Rifkin brings to Starcraft and have him step behind the curtain, he also is a community leader for his own, not so small, sub community of the sc2 community. He is a self made man and if there wasn't an audience, that appreciates his quirkiness, he wouldn't be able to sustain himself.
I guess Rifkin is like Ska-music, not for me, but not all music has to be.
he fills a gap .. nothing more
nothing he has done has ever been "for the community"
it has always been self interest.. he has no social skills and is not good for sc2.
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On August 04 2018 17:27 Noonius wrote:
when Tastosis is booked for the event, you know who's gonna be casting the final, and it's getting old.
I know this is an old post but I disagree completely. So many great sc2 moments in the finals handled perfectly by them. I cant imagine any other duo being as funny and informative as tastosis. They, along with day9 are the greatest sc2 commentators ever.
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On August 28 2018 02:42 fluidrone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2018 06:40 JWD[9] wrote:
While I do agree, that I'd rather take all the many, many good things Rifkin brings to Starcraft and have him step behind the curtain, he also is a community leader for his own, not so small, sub community of the sc2 community. He is a self made man and if there wasn't an audience, that appreciates his quirkiness, he wouldn't be able to sustain himself.
I guess Rifkin is like Ska-music, not for me, but not all music has to be. he fills a gap .. nothing more nothing he has done has ever been "for the community" it has always been self interest.. he has no social skills and is not good for sc2.
You can make the same comment that everything any caster does is due to self interest. As for social skills, he certainly has the social skills enough to bring people together, both players and casters, and with it people to watch and commentate. That said, he is a god-awful caster, but that's just his fault as a caster, not as a community figure.
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On August 28 2018 02:42 fluidrone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2018 06:40 JWD[9] wrote:
While I do agree, that I'd rather take all the many, many good things Rifkin brings to Starcraft and have him step behind the curtain, he also is a community leader for his own, not so small, sub community of the sc2 community. He is a self made man and if there wasn't an audience, that appreciates his quirkiness, he wouldn't be able to sustain himself.
I guess Rifkin is like Ska-music, not for me, but not all music has to be. he fills a gap .. nothing more nothing he has done has ever been "for the community" it has always been self interest.. he has no social skills and is not good for sc2.
the next breathe of oxygen you inhale is an act of self interest.
you are more than welcome to start your own SC2 channel that holds dozens and dozens of cash paying tournaments throughout the year. it'll be interesting to see if your channel and events is better than BTTV.
have people in this thread cited ways BTTV could be better? yep.
how many are suggesting the scene is better off without BTTV? i think that # is approximately 0.
BTTV, Rifkin and ZombieGrub have made some really solid contributions to the SC2 competitive scene for the last 5+ years.
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On August 28 2018 07:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2018 02:42 fluidrone wrote:On August 27 2018 06:40 JWD[9] wrote:
While I do agree, that I'd rather take all the many, many good things Rifkin brings to Starcraft and have him step behind the curtain, he also is a community leader for his own, not so small, sub community of the sc2 community. He is a self made man and if there wasn't an audience, that appreciates his quirkiness, he wouldn't be able to sustain himself.
I guess Rifkin is like Ska-music, not for me, but not all music has to be. he fills a gap .. nothing more nothing he has done has ever been "for the community" it has always been self interest.. he has no social skills and is not good for sc2. the next breathe of oxygen you inhale is an act of self interest. you are more than welcome to start your own SC2 channel that holds dozens and dozens of cash paying tournaments throughout the year. it'll be interesting to see if your channel and events is better than BTTV. have people in this thread cited ways BTTV could be better? yep. how many are suggesting the scene is better off without BTTV? i think that # is approximately 0. BTTV, Rifkin and ZombieGrub have made some really solid contributions to the SC2 competitive scene for the last 5+ years.
Yeah, im consciously stopping myself of criticizing Basetrade and Wardi and posting here about them (well until now i guess).
I just really have to remind myself to appreciate the work they put in, which results in having high level games streamed in off-seasons, and just ignore the bad parts. I keep telling myself, they arent casters, they re tourney organizers who also talk over the games they put on air, no reason to hold them to that standard. I mostly just mute the stream and watch the games.
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On August 28 2018 07:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2018 02:42 fluidrone wrote:On August 27 2018 06:40 JWD[9] wrote:
While I do agree, that I'd rather take all the many, many good things Rifkin brings to Starcraft and have him step behind the curtain, he also is a community leader for his own, not so small, sub community of the sc2 community. He is a self made man and if there wasn't an audience, that appreciates his quirkiness, he wouldn't be able to sustain himself.
I guess Rifkin is like Ska-music, not for me, but not all music has to be. he fills a gap .. nothing more nothing he has done has ever been "for the community" it has always been self interest.. he has no social skills and is not good for sc2. the next breathe of oxygen you inhale is an act of self interest. you are more than welcome to start your own SC2 channel that holds dozens and dozens of cash paying tournaments throughout the year. it'll be interesting to see if your channel and events is better than BTTV. have people in this thread cited ways BTTV could be better? yep. how many are suggesting the scene is better off without BTTV? i think that # is approximately 0. BTTV, Rifkin and ZombieGrub have made some really solid contributions to the SC2 competitive scene for the last 5+ years.
i happen to think that streamers make an impact on impressionable people who watch them just like kids do what their parents do, thinking that is the way to act.
This is how the world works, bad people that give their all (and don't get me wrong i do think he does invest / work his all at it) get into a position to influence the candid people concerned ..
i'm just playing my part calling him out on it.
Sc2 would be better off without him, just like it is better without des tiny or others.
There was no "solid contributions".. he got players money to compete into his tournaments, it is business!
Just like winter who spent months/years playing ladder against players that were way below his skill level, "having fun" / misrepresenting/denaturing the reality of the game, is one of the worst thing that has happened to sc2 (team liquid / "sc2 community" never calling him on it / not running him off) ..
mister rifkin makes the world of sc2 a worst place.
Now many of you argue that you would rather have those games/tournaments than not have them,
that the game would die without bttv or something..
so you just ignore this .. i am just here saying that there are consequences to this "wearing blinders".
tldr: sc2 community is what it is because people are afraid to lose their game, sc2 deserves better
(again i argued about him, not people he "recruited")
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On August 28 2018 01:46 hobbyistGamedev wrote:
Incredible how hilarious Tasteless and Artosis still are. They just don't get sick of each other. Tasteless' conspiracy bid (Vaccines cause autism, chemtrails, more than two genders, moon landing was fake, Hitler lives in Argentina etc) had me in stitches. And that Artosis-hates-Warcraft 3 story was fantastic.
I do hope they'll be casting forever.
I understand that everyone likes different things and maybe i've just been watching the GSL too long, (since the very beginning) but i don't find them funny anymore and Tasteless really annoys me now.
Artosis has great game knowledge, obviously does his homework and apart from always wanting to name player X as the best from race Y in the world atm he is very good.
Tasteless on the other hand has very poor game knowledge for someone who has been a caster for the whole of Sc2, obviously does little to no research on players, drones on and on about Brood war, calls a Baneling Nest a "Banelings Nest" and a host of other things that really get on my goat.
In fairness to him he's more of a pure caster as opposed to Artosis who is an analyst but after all this time he should be much better informed. They do have great chemistry together for sure but because of Tasteless the GSL is starting to resemble the TV series that you have watched for ever but you know it's coming to an end because it just isn't like it used to be.
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On August 28 2018 17:30 fluidrone wrote:
There was no "solid contributions".. he got players money to compete into his tournaments, it is business!
Just like winter who spent months/years playing ladder against players that were way below his skill level, "having fun" / misrepresenting/denaturing the reality of the game, is one of the worst thing that has happened to sc2 (team liquid / "sc2 community" never calling him on it / not running him off) ..
mister rifkin makes the world of sc2 a worst place.
Now many of you argue that you would rather have those games/tournaments than not have them,
that the game would die without bttv or something..
so you just ignore this .. i am just here saying that there are consequences to this "wearing blinders".
tldr: sc2 community is what it is because people are afraid to lose their game, sc2 deserves better
(again i argued about him, not people he "recruited")
You get that these aren't fixed job positions, right? There's nothing stopping a caster with more knowledge, more talent, and better production coming into the scene and organising their own tournaments.
Have you ever considered that you're the one wearing blinders?
I assume your theory is: people want to watch Starcraft, there is a market for Starcraft content, the market only supports one regular tournament broadcaster. So if BTTV were to just up and quit then someone else would replace them.
But what if you're wrong? What if no one steps into the gap and the only way to earn money from the scene is to attend a premier tournament that happens a dozen times a year. Decentivizing the professional playerbase. Reducing the opportunities for actual tournament practice.
I'm also not even sure by what measure people are saying the casting is horrible. There're, what, twenty regular English speaking casters across the entire scene? Who do you think is better? Who do you think deserves to be broadcasting daily tournaments? Who do you imagine would be a better, more deserving, version of BTTV? Or is it just some mythical, imagined figure that you assume is waiting in the wings, supressed by the mere presence of Rifkin?
I can think of a dozen casters off hand over the years who were much worse, and who have gone on to cast bigger games and bigger tournaments. BTTV produces (more or less) professional content on a regular basis. You just don't like Rifkin. If he was solving world hunger you'd complain that someone else could do it better.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 28 2018 23:05 JasonOfAeson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2018 17:30 fluidrone wrote:
There was no "solid contributions".. he got players money to compete into his tournaments, it is business!
Just like winter who spent months/years playing ladder against players that were way below his skill level, "having fun" / misrepresenting/denaturing the reality of the game, is one of the worst thing that has happened to sc2 (team liquid / "sc2 community" never calling him on it / not running him off) ..
mister rifkin makes the world of sc2 a worst place.
Now many of you argue that you would rather have those games/tournaments than not have them,
that the game would die without bttv or something..
so you just ignore this .. i am just here saying that there are consequences to this "wearing blinders".
tldr: sc2 community is what it is because people are afraid to lose their game, sc2 deserves better
(again i argued about him, not people he "recruited") You get that these aren't fixed job positions, right? There's nothing stopping a caster with more knowledge, more talent, and better production coming into the scene and organising their own tournaments. Have you ever considered that you're the one wearing blinders? I assume your theory is: people want to watch Starcraft, there is a market for Starcraft content, the market only supports one regular tournament broadcaster. So if BTTV were to just up and quit then someone else would replace them. But what if you're wrong? What if no one steps into the gap and the only way to earn money from the scene is to attend a premier tournament that happens a dozen times a year. Decentivizing the professional playerbase. Reducing the opportunities for actual tournament practice. I'm also not even sure by what measure people are saying the casting is horrible. There're, what, twenty regular English speaking casters across the entire scene? Who do you think is better? Who do you think deserves to be broadcasting daily tournaments? Who do you imagine would be a better, more deserving, version of BTTV? Or is it just some mythical, imagined figure that you assume is waiting in the wings, supressed by the mere presence of Rifkin? I can think of a dozen casters off hand over the years who were much worse, and who have gone on to cast bigger games and bigger tournaments. BTTV produces (more or less) professional content on a regular basis. You just don't like Rifkin. If he was solving world hunger you'd complain that someone else could do it better.
Nope.
You can misread and misrepresent my post to bait me into repeating what i posted but that will not get you much
You get that these aren't fixed job positions, right?
lousy bait, try harder
Have you ever considered that you're the one wearing blinders?
ahahahahahahahahaha
What if no one steps into the gap and the only way to earn money from the scene is to attend a premier tournament that happens a dozen times a year. Decentivizing the professional playerbase. Reducing the opportunities for actual tournament practice.
If you had bothered to read my post properly you would have seen that this is precisely what i am saying is making people watch his content.
People investing money in esports does not make them well intended or well behaved people.
I'm also not even sure by what measure people are saying the casting is horrible. There're, what, twenty regular English speaking casters across the entire scene? Who do you think is better? Who do you think deserves to be broadcasting daily tournaments? Who do you imagine would be a better, more deserving, version of BTTV? Or is it just some mythical, imagined figure that you assume is waiting in the wings, supressed by the mere presence of Rifkin?
i never even mentioned his casting = ergo you did not read my post or worst, ignored it or misslead future readers of your post as to my intent.
i commented on his attitude and practices, saying that he is doing exactly what he accused the rest of the "sc2 community" was doing to him several months/years ago.
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Day9 would be better than Rifkin. Just saying this because the guy above me asked for someone who is better and Day9 isn't even casting any starcraft 2. BTTV is good for the community, but it doesn't mean their casting is good; personally I don't care because I almost always mute casters that aren't Tastosis these days (back in the day there wasn't this strong Western bias that pretty much makes a lot of casters unbareable).
Just FYI I don't think that BTTV should change casters, I think the casters should just keep practicing and getting better and so on. I mean if you're going to practice and gain experience, online tournaments are where to do it, and BTTV gets a lot of viewers.
Just watched a minute or so of the current cast, they are definitely getting better, though they still have to work on the clarity of their speech (volume/articulation) throughout the cast, and also after a big event occurs, instead of saying "this player now takes a lead" you should point out a tactic or something that one of the players used to win the situation, like gumiho dropping hellbats on top of Cure's marines.
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On August 28 2018 23:30 fluidrone wrote:
i never even mentioned his casting = ergo you did not read my post or worst, ignored it or misslead future readers of your post as to my intent.
i commented on his attitude and practices, saying that he is doing exactly what he accused the rest of the "sc2 community" was doing to him several months/years ago.
Obviously English isn't your first language, but the section you're quoting says "people" (the plural of person -- i.e. I wasn't referring to you specifically, or neccesarily at all). The second half of your post is you repeating yourself. The first half of your post is essentially laughing, nothing, and a paranoid fear that I'm trying to bait you.
Which is to say your reply holds no points of worth and I replied purely to address your confusion. You're welcome to your views, personally I find them nonsensical and unworthy of addressing logically, since they're entirely emotive.
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On August 29 2018 00:03 JasonOfAeson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2018 23:30 fluidrone wrote:
i never even mentioned his casting = ergo you did not read my post or worst, ignored it or misslead future readers of your post as to my intent.
i commented on his attitude and practices, saying that he is doing exactly what he accused the rest of the "sc2 community" was doing to him several months/years ago. Obviously English isn't your first language, but the section you're quoting says "people" (the plural of person -- i.e. I wasn't referring to you specifically, or neccesarily at all). The second half of your post is you repeating yourself. The first half of your post is essentially laughing, nothing, and a paranoid fear that I'm trying to bait you. Which is to say your reply holds no points of worth and I replied purely to address your confusion. You're welcome to your views, personally I find them nonsensical and unworthy of addressing logically, since they're entirely emotive.
On August 28 2018 23:05 JasonOfAeson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2018 17:30 fluidrone wrote:
There was no "solid contributions".. he got players money to compete into his tournaments, it is business!
Just like winter who spent months/years playing ladder against players that were way below his skill level, "having fun" / misrepresenting/denaturing the reality of the game, is one of the worst thing that has happened to sc2 (team liquid / "sc2 community" never calling him on it / not running him off) ..
mister rifkin makes the world of sc2 a worst place.
Now many of you argue that you would rather have those games/tournaments than not have them,
that the game would die without bttv or something..
so you just ignore this .. i am just here saying that there are consequences to this "wearing blinders".
tldr: sc2 community is what it is because people are afraid to lose their game, sc2 deserves better
(again i argued about him, not people he "recruited") You get that these aren't fixed job positions, right? There's nothing stopping a caster with more knowledge, more talent, and better production coming into the scene and organising their own tournaments. Have you ever considered that you're the one wearing blinders? I assume your theory is: people want to watch Starcraft, there is a market for Starcraft content, the market only supports one regular tournament broadcaster. So if BTTV were to just up and quit then someone else would replace them. But what if you're wrong? What if no one steps into the gap and the only way to earn money from the scene is to attend a premier tournament that happens a dozen times a year. Decentivizing the professional playerbase. Reducing the opportunities for actual tournament practice. I'm also not even sure by what measure people are saying the casting is horrible. There're, what, twenty regular English speaking casters across the entire scene? Who do you think is better? Who do you think deserves to be broadcasting daily tournaments? Who do you imagine would be a better, more deserving, version of BTTV? Or is it just some mythical, imagined figure that you assume is waiting in the wings, supressed by the mere presence of Rifkin? I can think of a dozen casters off hand over the years who were much worse, and who have gone on to cast bigger games and bigger tournaments. BTTV produces (more or less) professional content on a regular basis. You just don't like Rifkin. If he was solving world hunger you'd complain that someone else could do it better.
i am many things but paranoiac .. sorry .. no 
"obviously" you cannot read what you wrote .. sad really...
Since bait war has started, i'll oblige  "messieurs les anglais.. tirez les premiers!"*
You just don't like Rifkin. If he was solving world hunger you'd complain that someone else could do it better.
You are not very good at baiting and this last quoting of your posting proves that you are trying to do so.
So .. hence i'm not in the least bit interested in what you have to say ... glhf
+ Show Spoiler +*quote from louix XV'th's "general", it reads "english gentlemen.. fire first"
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[B]On August 29 2018 00:13 fluidrone wrote:
In your first post you quoted the last paragraph (which is aimed at anyone and everyone). In this post you quote everything but the last paragraph (which were aimed at you). It's really not that complicated. Note that you even didn't answer half of the questions I asked. You simply conflated them all into casting, and then complained you never talked about casting.
Either way, your manic, irrational, childish posting style is tiring. Spin yourself into a frenzy as much as you like.
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On August 28 2018 23:34 Rodya wrote:
Day9 would be better than Rifkin. Just saying this because the guy above me asked for someone who is better and Day9 isn't even casting any starcraft 2. BTTV is good for the community, but it doesn't mean their casting is good; personally I don't care because I almost always mute casters that aren't Tastosis these days (back in the day there wasn't this strong Western bias that pretty much makes a lot of casters unbareable).
Just FYI I don't think that BTTV should change casters, I think the casters should just keep practicing and getting better and so on. I mean if you're going to practice and gain experience, online tournaments are where to do it, and BTTV gets a lot of viewers.
Just watched a minute or so of the current cast, they are definitely getting better, though they still have to work on the clarity of their speech (volume/articulation) throughout the cast, and also after a big event occurs, instead of saying "this player now takes a lead" you should point out a tactic or something that one of the players used to win the situation, like gumiho dropping hellbats on top of Cure's marines.
And you know why Day9 doesn't cast and run online SC2 tournaments? Because the money he would make from it is not worth his time or effort. I'm sure it'd be great if Artosis and Tasteless cast all these online events too - but they won't because the pay isn't there.
This entire thread needs to take a step back and realize that there are some pretty huge differences between casting a WCS/GSL and to casting online. I've been reading this the last few days and I can't sit and read without providing a perspective which seems to be completely ignored.
When you cast online you are in almost the worst conditions possible to put on great commentary - you are likely in charge of observing, production issues, player issues. You are also likely having some mindfulness put towards your stream chat, social media and more because all of these things are your job.
The goal in a BTTV stream, or one of my own streams, is of course to cast SC2 games and to provide SC2 content and tournaments - but it's also about making the money to run these events and to support ourselves. When all the premiere casters cast stuff online it is not their main source of income - their own personal playing streams are alongside with the payment they are getting for casting big tournaments - so they don't have to do the whole selling-out jive.
When me / Rifkin cast, we need to make money. This isn't us being greedy, this isn't us thinking we found a goose laying gold eggs with SC2, it's because we need to pay rent, eat and to you know sort of enjoy a bit of life at the same time? Go look at the thousands of dollars BTTV give out as prize money on a regular basis - this is all money Rifkin makes but has to put BACK INTO the system to be able to then make more money again. I have the same thing, I did the math and I put in about 40-50% of all money I make on stream back into tournaments. There are a lot of costs of running a tournament stream instead of just coming online and laddering.
The reality is, as much as some of you hate it and want to complain about it if we talk about subs, donations, bits and we act in a more sell-out way, we make more money. Significantly more. Actually it's crazy but I went from the point of "I don't think I can continue to do this" to "I'm fairly comfortable continuing doing this" because I took on a more sell-out approach, I decided I would push sub goals, donation goals, mention things every hour etc.
And honestly, I hate it -- do you know how much more I would prefer to not have to repeat myself again and again and to be able to take the time to have even more fun with the chat or to recap the last fight in the previous game as the next game gets going? I'm sure my viewership would go up if I didn't have to run ads every 30-45 minutes - but if I don't I can't afford to run events and I can't afford to stick around as a SC2 caster.
Now I've focused primarily on the "money" side of things, I want to tap back to the difference between casting online and casting at an event. Yesterday I was casting QLASH league with Rotti and honestly I felt like I put on a horrific cast compared to Rotti. I messed up a lot - my observing was bad because we had production issues and so I had to fix that and trying to communicate with chat, fix mic issues and observe while ALSO listening to what Rotti is saying and responding is extremely difficult. This might sound stupid, but this bad start doesn't exactly help you "get in the zone" or get rolling - in fact something like this at a start of a broadcast always lingers on my mind and I never feel I can focus properly from there.
The stresses of doing your own online production obviously get less with how much money you put into it - if you have a co-caster you will miss less, if you have an admin you don't have to worry about the players as much. If somethings happened to me in my real life that day, that can come into play, which kind of leads me to my next point : People have off days.
You know what, some days I really suck. My focus isn't there, I'm not feeling it, it's the 7th Stargate Phoenix-Oracle opening in a row and my chat is complaining that I'm not analyzing the game even though we watched this for the last 2 hours already. When you cast long hours and when you cast almost every day, you're going to run into these issues and this is going to happen a lot more often and then it's going to be more recognized. Then people recognize it and call you out and that makes you feel bad too. The reality is you can't be your 100% every single online cast that you do, otherwise you'd be a f casting god. But the hours we have to put in and the regularity we have to put on a show means that mistakes are going to happen and people are going to realize them - we will have silly days and days where suddenly the words just escape us.
You compare this to the conditions of casting at an offline event. First up you're more physically amped up and on the ball - offline events are more important and higher stakes than a lot of online events and this is something you feel as a caster. You don't have to cast as many series in a row, so when you are casting you are more revitalized, it doesn't feel like you are repeating yourself because its the 8th series of the day and guess what, nobody vetoed Acid Plant AGAIN. The hype is there, your co-caster is right next to you and you're looking at each other and feeling the excitement, you're pointing at the screen and sharing moments of shock and awe in person.
You can stand up and jump and scream because you don't have to be sat down and observing the game - you can be comfortable in your mind because some poor soul in production is the one that has to make sure everything is going right. You don't have to interact with chat, make sure you're getting enough subs to pay for the event, enough bits to pay rent, because you already know you're being paid. Need a drink, talent manager is on it for you. You are looked after and there to cast and because of it you can do a freaking good job.
At home I can't sit and scream every hour every day and get hyped for every match, if I did that I would burn out too quickly. I can't be in a perfect condition every day. I have to worry about things outside of just casting the game. My job is more than just casting the game, compared to when I cast at a large event.
So can we please stop comparing our online casting with people's Blizzcon performances? It's ridiculous, it makes no sense at all and it really feels like you guys are just using it because you want the joy of shitting on people without actually putting any thought into the hundreds of extra things going on behind the scenes that we have to deal with to bring you these tournaments.
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Wardi...Git gut!
But yeah. I know the pain. I know how you feel. I had some audio problemy few days ago and read a lot of a sty stuff on my chat about the stream in not „ profesional”. It is hard as hell to cast and do all the other stuff by yourself.
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Word Wardi. Anyone out there ever had a lackluster day at work? Where you couldn't focus, were tired or distracted, made mistakes or just couldn't be arsed putting in 100%? Yes casters get that too! Compared to traditional sports commentary, esports casters (online especially) work much longer hours and often over insanely long stretches.
There seems to be a lot of complaining in this thread, with less and less actual feedback or constructive criticism. If someone's casting is pissing you off that much, then just mute them ffs and figure out what's happening in the game yourself.
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Personally, I'm grateful for everybody that puts the time and effort into producing starcraft content. It's an amazing game, and watching high level players go at it will never cease to be fun. I don't really understand the whining about some of the casters, but I think it's fairly ridiculous that any comment about Rifkin or Wardi doesn't mention the effort that goes into the production. eg: "I love how much content BTTV puts out there, great work on that Rifkin, but sometimes it does feel like your stream is kind of a private party for the people in chat who give you the most money."
Anyway, it really isn't hard to just mute a stream, turn addblock off, turn the music you want to listen to on, and watch like that. Hell, I do it with the 'highest quality' productions like GSL fairly frequently. IMO, the point of watching starcraft is watching starcraft, and all the great or bad things casters/producers do on top of that -- personally, I think Wardi has a great, relaxing style of commentary, even if he's not the best analyst or hypeman -- is just the cherry on top. Not everybody likes a cherry on their sundae! Take it off and stop complaining if you don't. I'll be honest, a lot of what Rifkin says does annoy the hell out of me -- and so I just mute the cast and appreciate all the amazing work and effort he puts into producing high quality tournaments, fun 'chat-games,' and so forth.
Thanks again to all the casters, producers, and players who put their effort in and continue to make the scene worth following.
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On August 29 2018 21:53 Ishmael wrote:
I don't really understand the whining about some of the casters, but I think it's fairly ridiculous that any comment about Rifkin or Wardi doesn't mention the effort that goes into the production. eg: "I love how much content BTTV puts out there, great work on that Rifkin, but sometimes it does feel like your stream is kind of a private party for the people in chat who give you the most money."
Well the world is quite cruel sometimes, people at the end of the day mostly care about the end result and the end product that they receive. If they find it to be lacking, many people won't care about the actual effort and work that goes into it.
That said I don't respect the comparison between Rifkin and Wardi. To the best of my knowledge, Wardi has always tried to carry himself and his stream in a respectable manner. He has not taken unseemly and ignorant pot shots at players, or at other community members, or at the community itself. He has stayed away from drama. Which is why, even if I didn't like Wardi's content (which I actually do, for the same reasons you yourself pointed out) I would still be able to point at him and say "he's a respectable person, he deserves support for his efforts".
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