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I'll start by saying that there's too much negativity in the gaming community, the SC2 community, and the internet in general, which is why I'm treading carefully here.
That said, one of the casters (I won't say which region he's in, or how long he's been on the scene) is driving me absolutely up the wall, to the point where matches I should LOVE watching end up being only okay, and I end up not watching good matches when I know he's on the desk.
I want to vent about this guy, and maybe find some people to vent with me, and since this is a small community, maybe get some improvements, but at the same time, I don't want to be some internet jerk crapping on a dude working hard and trying his best in a tough industry.
I mean, I wish the guy the best in his life and congratulate him on the success he's had, but his casting is becoming an issue that's making the game worse for me, and might be doing the same for others. TL, what's the right thing to do here?
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with moletrap.
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On July 23 2017 11:10 FataLe wrote:
There is absolutely nothing wrong with moletrap.
Agreed!
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Give out your thoughts and opinions in a constructive manner. Don't just say "LWEL YOU SUCK"
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Start your own casting career, earn 2 million and then buyout the bastard from the scene with the money!
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On July 23 2017 11:10 FataLe wrote:
There is absolutely nothing wrong with moletrap.
Savage.
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Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
I guess it would depend on where you post your criticism. For example, here on TL, we have strict moderation and we always set forth guidelines that people need to meet when starting criticism threads.
If you were to post in reddit or the Blizzard forums, then it'd be a bit more laid back and forgiving in terms of moderation and what you're allowed to say,
If you want to provide constructive criticism on a certain caster here on TL, you are more than welcome to do that. I just can't guarantee that the thread will remain open long since we always shut things down before they get out of hand.
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There's a difference between subjectivity and objectivity in this matter.
If a caster repeatedly says wrong stuff or always makes mistakes, you can say that it's objectively bad casting.
If you don't like a caster because of how he talks or what he talks about, it's subjective but you also have a right to say it.
For instance some casters aren't bad casters per se, but i find some extremely annoying and/or unfunny to the point where i sometimes find myself muting the stream. I'm not going to start threads about it because i know it's subjective, but i may mention it in the thread related to the matches they cast and i don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
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There are a couple of casters I feel that way about. If you are honest, constructive, and thoughtful in your criticism then I don't see a problem with it. As long as you are expressing yourself in an adult manner it could end up being better for the community and that caster if he/she listens and grows from it. Also, to truly get a perspective - try casting a game for yourself, by yourself in the comfort of your home...seriously try to fill up the space with good commentary....It's hard!
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On July 23 2017 13:07 rapidtransit247 wrote:
Just @ me
self deprecation can only get you so far Reid
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On July 23 2017 13:07 rapidtransit247 wrote:
Just @ me
tbh you're such a god
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I usually mute lol streams because I can't stand the majority of the casters. NA has a few decent ones but EU casters/analyst all around are permamuted. Same with LCK. As for Sc2 though, the only caster atm that i avoid is one particular one because he seems to get way too angry and power hungry. I don't support him.
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On July 23 2017 15:13 blardoh wrote:
I usually mute lol streams because I can't stand the majority of the casters. NA has a few decent ones but EU casters/analyst all around are permamuted. Same with LCK. As for Sc2 though, the only caster atm that i avoid is one particular one because he seems to get way too angry and power hungry. I don't support him.
How does a caster get power hungry?
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forcing his souply meme on the rest of the world obviously
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On July 23 2017 11:48 Integra wrote:
Start your own casting career, earn 2 million and then buyout the bastard from the scene with the money!
thread solved.  :D
p.s. kudos to OP for finding a way to feel things out without attacking anybody yet.
Also, I feel that it would be cool for all casters to open their own dedicated, separate theads: one for support, where people can write 'thanks' or highlight some gems. And then the other, Criticism thread, where the caster can enter when he feels he's ready to take on some criticism and perhaps improve what he's doing.
I also feel that having a Criticism thread would automatically take some of the sting out from posts that might otherwise be 'h8er posts'.
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On July 23 2017 13:15 DIngoDog wrote:
Also, to truly get a perspective - try casting a game for yourself, by yourself in the comfort of your home...seriously try to fill up the space with good commentary....It's hard!
Completely agreed with this. Speaking almost constantly while saying actually meaningful things without simply giving a radio play-by-play of what's happening on the screen is pretty tough. It's tough enough for a single (decently long) match, let alone an entire series or day's worth of casting.
And let's be clear here: this isn't the infant days of GSL Code A anymore, whose (at the time) amateur talent couldn't stop shouting over each other and making bold, incorrect predictions all the time. Pretty much all casters these days have a baseline level of competency that should be expected of a game that's been a big deal competitively for 7 years.
So as a result, most of the "criticism" is really just "I don't like your voice" or "I don't like your accent" or "I don't like the way you (over)use these words" or "I don't like the kind of jokes you make". And that's give or take, always. They're stylistic things (I would call them choices but in many cases they're probably subconscious or otherwise just part of who that person is) that don't necessarily have a flaw of some kind, and how you gel with them will depend entirely on personal preference. And even if there is some kind of small underlying flaw, 99.99% of SC2 fans do not have the broadcasting or perhaps speech therapy qualifications to be able to identify and articulate what that is and how to fix it.
Anyway... I love iNcontroL's humour. Some people hate it. If he chose to listen to their completely subjective "criticism", all that would do is change who loves it and who hates it. Maybe they would love it then, and I would hate it instead. And sure, on a strictly theoretical level, you could possibly try out so many permutations until you find the one that the maximum number of people love, but it would still leave a large minority of people who hate it, so what's the fucking point?
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You people are weird... Starcraft has literally the best casters by a huge margin compared to other esports. When you have masters, grand masters and former pro players commentating, heck I want to hear what they have to say even if they're goofy sometimes.
You only need to compare what we have to something like CS:GO where you have a bunch of nobodies who never played a high level game in their life talking about things they barely comprehend. Aside from a few ex-pro analysts, their casting scene is comprised by complete amateurs. In SC2 we have people who put thousands of hours and with real ingame knowledge casting. I personally think it doesn't get any better than this. And when we have Homestory Cup it goes even beyond that with current pro's themselves commentating. I think it's great!
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I have this issue with a particular guy who seems to be loved by pretty much everyone else in the community but I just find him really annoying and feel like he actually gets a lot of stuff wrong. It's a shame because the person he casts with is awesome and witty but I can't bring myself to endure the other 50% of the cast. My solution is just to watch the Korean stream and enjoy the extra hype those casters bring.
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