EPTOn July 23 2017 13:07 rapidtransit247 wrote:
Just @ me
Just @ me
You're doing fine mate.
Caster Feedback Thread - Page 2
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WhosQuany
Germany257 Posts
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RandomPlayer
Russian Federation400 Posts
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AlexGPunkt
Germany258 Posts
On July 23 2017 17:18 RandomPlayer wrote: I had the same issue last night while watching HSC - had to mute the stream many times when Incontrol made fart noises, talked unrelated trash and made stupid jokes. Gotta step it up from kindergarten level, we're not 10 years old.. fartnoises where played by the producer not incontrol. | ||
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zakadar
Germany409 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
On July 23 2017 16:11 207aicila wrote: Completely agreed with this. Speaking almost constantly while saying actually meaningful things without simply giving a radio play-by-play of what's happening on the screen is pretty tough. This is exactly why I'm always undecided whether to mute the stream or not. I don't WANT people speaking constantly. I'm not a fucking addicts to noise. I want you to say something when you think/feel there's something to say! I don't want a noise machine. I want words to have meaning, and casters words go thru inflation effect if he talks jibberish to fill the 'voids'. It's called silence, it's not a void. Well timed breaks or pauses, or simply 'periods of not talking' are crucial for good casting, as it gives contrast, and gives more impact to the actual spoken words. But unluckily, in mainstream society, silence is often equated to awkwardness. People need to read more Eckhart Tolle stuff and $hit, meditate etc. | ||
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
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maddogmcgee
Australia105 Posts
Home Story commentary is refreshing since it is pro's who are commentating and when the game is obviously over, they tend to call it (and when they get it wrong, it just goes to show how off pro's opinions can be, even with perfect vision). Sometimes it can be nice to watch a game in silence, it means I can form my own opinions about how the game is progressing, what players are doing right and wrong etc. Overall though, I much prefer a beer or two while watching a series with professional commentators...thinking is down to a minimum and I can sit and relax. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12375 Posts
Presumably if the criticism stems from the caster doing something reprehensible, it shouldn't be a problem. But then people (or at least me) tend to dislike the casters for having done these things and they may in the future cross the line and criticize them for things that don't really make sense due to that dislike. On the other side someone like Artosis has earned so much good will out of me that he could cast for a year with zero knowledge of the game and tournament and I probably wouldn't find a criticism to be legitimate. | ||
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PuroYO
Norway163 Posts
On July 23 2017 11:10 FataLe wrote: There is absolutely nothing wrong with moletrap. That's like, our opinion, maaaan. People stated "there is nothing wrong with 2GD" as well, in the Dota community, now we don't see him anymore because there was something wrong with him even though people said he was perfect, Valve fired him on the spot. Personal opinion =\= fact.:D Be constructive, that's all, that should be a given, just so that's stated. | ||
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PharaphobiaSC
Czech Republic457 Posts
On July 23 2017 17:18 RandomPlayer wrote: I had the same issue last night while watching HSC - had to mute the stream many times when Incontrol made fart noises, talked unrelated trash and made stupid jokes. Gotta step it up from kindergarten level, we're not 10 years old.. Rly? I mean... HSC was always about lay down on couch, cast some great games and having fun, its not like WCS where you have to wear suit,tie, armani shoes etc... cmon dude even production where trolling hard and commercial pause was filled with Hey GreyFace GreyFace Hey song... like there is enough hits for you already... yet u call it stupid =) | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
On July 23 2017 18:55 riotjune wrote: Silence is AWKWARD. The more people blather on and on about shit, the BETTER. Currently , words fill up like at least 85% of time. I'd like it reduced to like 70%. On July 23 2017 19:03 maddogmcgee wrote: Agreed. In general, people hate a lack of noise, they want to be told when to be excited, upset etc. How many sports do people watch with zero commentary? That's one of the things I love about watching tennis. It's a beautiful mix of seeing with your own eyes what's going on, and then hearing an opinion of the pro or caster. But, the bottom line of my opinion, I don't like jibberish filler sentences. If you have something to say, you can talk 100% of the time. If you don't, don't. Maybe casting isn't for everyone, and we need better talkers in some cases. | ||
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JWD[9]
364 Posts
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Mizenhauer
United States1906 Posts
On July 23 2017 13:07 rapidtransit247 wrote: Just @ me I understand that casting is incredibly difficult and I appreciate and admire the effort you put in, but I do have a major issue with your casting style. You constantly and unapologetically use fancy words improperly or in the wrong connotation during casts. It has become so annoying that I just listen to the Korean SSL cast instead. You're doing great things for SC, but this habit is just a deal breaker for me. I doubt you're trying to prove some intellectual superiority, but I always thought spoken language should be kept as simple as possible so that no one feels excluded (strangely I never felt the same way about written language). The fact that you throw words out there with little regard for whether or not they are being used properly strikes me as careless. On top of that, they are no better at illustrating your point than simpler words used with more precision. | ||
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JokerAi
Germany142 Posts
On July 23 2017 17:18 RandomPlayer wrote: I had the same issue last night while watching HSC - had to mute the stream many times when Incontrol made fart noises, talked unrelated trash and made stupid jokes. Gotta step it up from kindergarten level, we're not 10 years old.. Sorry but if you dont like this then you have no humor. Have nothing to do with kindergarten level. Is just fun and he make it only at Homestorycup. Look some games at GSL Artosis and tasteless. Tasteless have in 80% of all games no idea wahts goin on. They miss or ignore drops waht the observer show. Tasteless talks only trash and Artosis laughs over everything. And people say this are the best casters? Never If you hear over and over again the same caster you see ther weakness. I think is is why so many people hate casters. you dont like ther voice how they laughs or other little things. Over the years you hate it more and more. Is the same with casters in Football or TV. For me i like casts from progamers. because you can trust them waht they say. And any of then have different Experience with the game. | ||
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bypLy
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Sihrtogg
Netherlands29 Posts
On July 23 2017 18:41 niteReloaded wrote: Well timed breaks or pauses, or simply 'periods of not talking' are crucial for good casting, as it gives contrast, and gives more impact to the actual spoken words. Agreed! USA casting seems to be especially fond of constant talking. I've never been all that fond of it, but I've gotten used to it over the years. On July 23 2017 19:03 maddogmcgee wrote: How many sports do people watch with zero commentary? I assume you mean commentary over the action? The Wimbledon Gentlemen's Singles Final is watched by roughly 1 in 6 in the UK. I think the tennis at Wimbledon is a magnificent example of perfect zen balance in commentary: when the ball is in the air, there is no talking; everyone in front of the telly or in the stadium just admires the play in silence, you only hear the ball and the players. Once the point is over there is commentary and applause. (Premature ooohs and aaahs from the crowd during play have unfortunately become more common over recent years, following the US Open trend. I still think it's somewhat rude.) It creates a natural tension for every point. In the few seconds awaiting the serve, the silence almost feels like holding your breath. Now tennis of course lends itself perfectly to this type of casting with its natural alternation of active and inactive moments. However, I think there are lessons to be learnt: for one, excitement and tension are not to be confused! Excitement is for a tournament, for a match, for a particular player ahead of time. It's the hype. During a match you need tension: you don't know what is going to happen and you watch mesmerized until you are released by the actions that unfold in front of your eyes. In SC2, most of the early game is calm build-up, through which the casters should absolutely podcast themselves with their extensive knowledge of the professional scene, joke around a bit, plug some upcoming event etc. Silence would indeed be awkward as there is usually no tension. You are often watching predictable macro, so you need something to keep yourself occupied. Some casters are great at this phase of the game, others not so much. Some viewers might consider this an important skill for a caster, others not so much. In a discussion like this it's important to keep these two evaluations separated. When it comes to the big moments in the game, tension is what you're looking for, not excitement. Unfortunately the most common approach is rapidly shoutcasting your way through the battle. The advantage of this method is that the volume of the stream will let me know when I should stop whatever I'm doing for a moment and pay full attention to the stream. Another approach could be to get the viewer hyped (excitement) leading up to the battle: "This engagement is going to be absolutely crucial. Can Dark close out the game right here, right now?! Let's see it. Here he comes...", then a 'hold-your-breath' silence (tension) during the battle, where one can observe the pure art of combat as it happens, followed by a short analysis of who came out ahead and why (reflection). I apologise to the vision-impaired esports fans, but if you can actually see what is happening, I personally would rather not have my senses overloaded by a radio-style broadcast that is a literal description of what is shown on the screen. In contrast, in CS:GO there is usually a lot of stuff happening off-screen, especially during bomb site executes. Some casters are really good at *not* watching the on-screen action during these executes, but instead focussing on the minimap and the kills in the top right, so that as a viewer you *can* watch the first person on-screen action, while staying updated on everything else. Here I do like the casters talking through the battle. In conclusion, I feel silence is underused in esports casting as a tool to create tension rather than excitement. There are many styles of casting used in many different (e)sports that might suit different moments in a game and that can appeal to different viewerships (Day9 vs Husky debate). A caster should be aware of his role in creating tension or excitement and try to serve the viewer all the ingredients for emotions, which can paradoxically be both joy and disappointment at the same time based on which side a particular viewer is rooting for. Also it's a casters job to keep the viewer informed, especially about significant things that are not apparent (i.e. upgrade differences) or that are happening off-screen. All of this comes together in the form of a caster's name and fame and we all have our opinions and preferences, but I believe there certainly are objective differences in casting skills that go beyond style. PS: niteReloaded, you sniped me on the tennis comparison while I was writing this  awh the long posts... | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
Really good point about pauses creating tension. On July 23 2017 21:32 Sihrtogg wrote: Unfortunately the most common approach is rapidly shoutcasting your way through the battle. I agree and I dislike this approach. Kinda like having a hunch "this situation could surely have been done in a better way!". Although not knowing exactly how that way looks. I think a good recipe is for the casters to allow themselves to be more spontaneous, and less playing safe. Especially in smaller tournaments. That way they can 'find' their authentic style, and then scale it up to bigger tournaments once they are confident in it. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
On July 23 2017 18:41 niteReloaded wrote: This is exactly why I'm always undecided whether to mute the stream or not. I don't WANT people speaking constantly. I'm not a fucking addicts to noise. I want you to say something when you think/feel there's something to say! I don't want a noise machine. I want words to have meaning, and casters words go thru inflation effect if he talks jibberish to fill the 'voids'. It's called silence, it's not a void. Well timed breaks or pauses, or simply 'periods of not talking' are crucial for good casting, as it gives contrast, and gives more impact to the actual spoken words. But unluckily, in mainstream society, silence is often equated to awkwardness. People need to read more Eckhart Tolle stuff and $hit, meditate etc. I was gonna point this out myself but then i saw this. Completely agree with this, none-stop talk IS BAD CASTING. This should be considdered objective to. No one talks none-stop irl, infact, if someone do, you would feel he is annoying. RIGHT? So this none-stop talk when commentating truly suck and i mute the stream as well when it happens. Yet so many do this, i cant believe it really. In SC2, most of the early game is calm build-up, through which the casters should absolutely podcast themselves with their extensive knowledge of the professional scene, joke around a bit, plug some upcoming event etc. Silence would indeed be awkward as there is usually no tension. Nothing wrong here aswell to be silence even in a moment like this. Be silent, observe what is happening. We see with out own eyes aswell. In fact, it would be healthy to not none-stop talk in this sitation aswell. Also, arent many commentators in this scenario NOT TALKING ABOUT THE GAME as well? If you arent talking about the game, then be quiet. "3rax build, marine/marauder with stim", he scouted the zergs 3rd hatchery. Zerg is going zerglings/roaches. "Lets see what happens" - Moment of silence here. See what happens, then commentate that. But here, in this scenario its none-stop talk either way. I wish the commentators got a good education in how to commentate. Because they all lack it imo. EVERY commentator lacks | ||
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KrOjah
United Kingdom68 Posts
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
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