EPTBut yeah, if you don't enjoy someone's work, don't watch it. A lot of it just comes down to personal preference anyway and casters can't please everyone.
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
But yeah, if you don't enjoy someone's work, don't watch it. A lot of it just comes down to personal preference anyway and casters can't please everyone. | ||
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evolsiefil
143 Posts
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Lightrush
Bulgaria164 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
On July 23 2017 22:10 KrOjah wrote: Holy fuck the witch hunt for casters is still on? :D I used to follow Sc2 in WoL times and it was the same then. Personally all I really care about is that the observer is going a good job and the casters do not have an annoying voice to the point where I have to mute. Good for you. It's the equivalent of saying you don't give a shit about how food tastes, as long as it has nutrients. People have different standards, you are obviously very non-demanding when it comes to casting, which is, like I said, good for you. On July 23 2017 22:58 Lightrush wrote: What do you mean critisize a caster ? They are supreme beings of perfection. If you think there is something wrong with ones casting, clearly the problem is in you. xD | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17393 Posts
On July 23 2017 16:56 tomatriedes wrote: feel like he actually gets a lot of stuff wrong. It's a shame because the person he casts with is awesome and witty but I can't bring myself to endure the other 50% of the cast. My solution is just to watch the Korean stream and enjoy the extra hype those casters bring. if u can list his errors and state objectively why they're wrong you might gain some traction. just saying you "feel like" he is saying wrong stuff is not enough. Broadcast duos often consist of an "Analyst Guy" and the "Colour Commentator". if he is the "colour guy" then it might not matter that he makes some errors in analysis. As the "colour guy" his job is to excitedly yell at the right times and make silly metaphors. The "colour guy" might even be making the errors intentionally so the analyst guy can correct him and explain some things to the audience about SC2. who knows. Judging a "colour guy" is super subjective. If a huge majority of the audience thinks he is great.. then he is great. Judging a "colour commentator" is so subjective that the overall perception of the audience is reality. i suspect one reason TL frowns upon caster bashing is that judging colour commentators is so subjective and it just ends in a giant shit show. On July 23 2017 22:45 evolsiefil wrote: this thread has got to be about nathanias right? guy is probably the worst caster in history. biased, repetitive, annoying and simply horrible. Years ago, i thought Nathanias was a below average caster. He has improved substantially over the years and Nathanias is good now. Dedicated professionals often change, develop, and improve over time. Years ago had you stated your misgivings about Nathanias in an objective, non-personal way he might have been able to use those criticisms to improve. Saying stuff like "simply horrible" is too vague to be actionable by Nathanias; it sounds like the immature personal attack of someone who chronologically may be an adult however, they are processing reality through the eyes of a 12 year old. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3485 Posts
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On July 24 2017 00:32 ejozl wrote: Casters and viewers criticize players all day, I don't know why casters and viewers get so defensive when talking about casters. Well I think what it comes down to is that when we watch a pro game, we always have access to all the information pretty much and all of a sudden players' mistakes are obvious and clear cut, there is no debating them. He didn't scout here, he expanded too late, he made too many marauders, he didn't micro well enough etc. And to be fair, while it's all true, it's never helpful to a player because they know this. It's not like they make these mistakes because they don't know, but rather due to pressure, poor focus in the moment, making the wrong assumptions, taking the wrong risks etc. When it comes to "criticizing" casters, 90% of that is purely subjective. | ||
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KrOjah
United Kingdom68 Posts
On July 23 2017 23:27 niteReloaded wrote: Good for you. It's the equivalent of saying you don't give a shit about how food tastes, as long as it has nutrients. People have different standards, you are obviously very non-demanding when it comes to casting, which is, like I said, good for you. xD Yeah totally, I will be honest and in general (even though I watch a ton of competitive sports) commentators/casters are not really that big a deal for me. I just find it a little comical the amount of whining/criticizing that comes out from this game's community on caster performance. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17393 Posts
On July 24 2017 00:48 KrOjah wrote: Yeah totally, I will be honest and in general (even though I watch a ton of competitive sports) commentators/casters are not really that big a deal for me. I just find it a little comical the amount of whining/criticizing that comes out from this game's community on caster performance. i think caster calls make a big difference... from Tom Cheek's "touch'em all Joe" to Vin Scully's "i dont believe what i just saw"... iconic moments in baseball history. John Madden has his name on one of EA's top titles. Great broadcasting versus lousy broadcasting makes a big difference in the viewing experience of competitive sports and esports. Thus, I can understand the large amount of commenting about the commentators. | ||
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jehlakj
23 Posts
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Kaewins
Bulgaria138 Posts
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KrOjah
United Kingdom68 Posts
On July 24 2017 00:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i think caster calls make a big difference... from Tom Cheek's "touch'em all Joe" to Vin Scully's "i dont believe what i just saw"... iconic moments in baseball history. John Madden has his name on one of EA's top titles. Great broadcasting versus lousy broadcasting makes a big difference in the viewing experience of competitive sports and esports. Thus, I can understand the large amount of commenting about the commentators. Well I know the post from the other guy who quoted me was laced with attempted elitism, but I agree with you kind of. I think casting can definitely be entertaining, but to actually analyze a game? I would probably want to download the replays packs. Same with other sports, I would prefer to watch live to learn, rather than view it on TV. | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
best casters list: god tier 1. tasteless ----------- mere mortals 1. incontrol 2. chill 3. artosis 4. nathanias 5. the screams of moletrap 6. the scream moletrap did that one time that toss lost his army to the nuke 7. wolf 8. khaldor 9. moletrap ----------- totally unwatchable 1. zombiegrub (has improved, at this point the worst thing about her is she co-casts with rifkin) 2. rifkin (i have thought long and hard about how this person could make starcraft less fun to watch, and i am totally at a loss. hey welcome to sc2 match herp da derp here listen to me plug 15 different events all during the build order/scouting phase of the game. herp let me never talk about this videogame that I am being compensated to discuss herp) | ||
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feardragon
United States973 Posts
Sometimes when you word something somewhat kindly it also will be interpreted the wrong way because casters, personalities and players are constantly dealing with people trying to take jabs at them. You develop something of an over-sensitivity to those kinds of backhanded comments after a while that aren't intended to provide actual criticism, but to just put you down. Likewise, I think fans of certain commentators/personalities/players begin to feel the same. I am a huge fan of a lot of NA players and I know I sometimes get overly defensive when people criticize some of them because it's an oversensitivity I've developed. Also keep in mind that casters won't always listen to the criticism not because they don't care what you have to say but they don't agree with it. And I don't mean in a "your opinion doesn't matter" kinda way but just that casting is a subjective thing and ultimately every caster is chasing "their vision" of what a caster should be. Sometimes they'll make decisions about their casting you don't agree with because that's what fits their image more, even if it doesn't fit yours. Combine all that with effective criticism being hard to give as well as hard to take and it becomes really hard to give criticism for a commentator without someone reacting negatively. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37065 Posts
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ScrappyRabbit
200 Posts
Tasteosis can get away with a lot of stuff other casters can't, IMO, because: 1) They're both natural in the booth at this point and secure enough so they're never talking over each other 2) They are legit best friends and have incredible chemistry, which is infectious -- they'll break out an extended running joke that would seem so stupid if I wrote it out here, but manage to make it work because they genuinely think each other are hilarious, and it's tough to not enjoy that positive energy. 2) Artosis knows more about what's happening in Starcraft/the KR meta better than any English-speaker alive, including pros, and can get analysis about a build or a strategy off seamlessly at any time "Oh, this is the Blink strat Inca pulled out in Olimoleague 2012, this is meant to punish 3-medivac marine timings." When you're an encyclopedia like that, you can save a lot of time on how much you need to analyze the game. 3) Tasteless lets Artosis do the specific stuff, but his understanding of Starcraft and RTS in general is strong, and he gets how to convey those ideas in plain english. It can get a bit annoying for high-level players or long-time watchers, I suppose, but I actually still enjoy it after all these years and it's great for new watchers. He doesn't feel the need to prove he's the smartest guy about SC2 at all times, which makes him a great fit next to Artosis. Anyways, the point here is that Tasteosis' chemistry and knowledge makes them the best team in SC2, but guys get in trouble when they try to copy certain aspects of their style, because without that chemistry and knowledge things just get cringey, and it would be better to just give out the facts with a sprinkling of analysis and humor instead of trying to capture the "best friends talking about a Starcraft game, and a mic happens to be there" vibe. | ||
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Kerdinand
Germany113 Posts
On July 24 2017 01:30 Seeker wrote: Thread has been renamed. From now on, all constructive criticism and feedback toward casters will go here. This thread will be moderated and watched carefully so be wary of what you post! Maybe put this or a similar note into the OP as well? Might be useful for someone finding this thread later on. | ||
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Sihrtogg
Netherlands29 Posts
On July 23 2017 22:07 Foxxan wrote:Also, arent many commentators in this scenario NOT TALKING ABOUT THE GAME as well? If you arent talking about the game, then be quiet. I'm sorry if I misunderstand the double negation here, but I actually like this and recommend this for casters. There's very little to enjoy visually in the early game if everything is standard. I'd rather have a laugh with Tastosis over some retro ninja turtle reference or learn about the history of the players with Wolf or get an update on upcoming events with Rifkin, than to be bored with nothing but an endlessly repetitive opening game. | ||
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feardragon
United States973 Posts
On July 24 2017 01:49 Sihrtogg wrote: I'm sorry if I misunderstand the double negation here, but I actually like this and recommend this for casters. There's very little to enjoy visually in the early game if everything is standard. I'd rather have a laugh with Tastosis over some retro ninja turtle reference or learn about the history of the players with Wolf or get an update on upcoming events with Rifkin, than to be bored with nothing but an endlessly repetitive opening game. Keep in mind that knowing your audience matters. What may be a standard, boring opener may be ok to not talk about for a smaller, more niche broadcast. But when it comes to bigger events and things like grand finals, etc. that even Tastosis cuts down a lot on the jokes because it becomes more likely that you have people who don't know the game or the meta tuning in and those explanations become helpful. Starcraft has so much stuff happening every second of the game that if you aren't familiar with the game or the meta, even just talking about what things on the screen to pay attention to can be very useful for people who have not been keeping up. | ||
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xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
Why use the mute button? Why refrain from watching the casters you don't like? No, let's ask them to stop casting because i don't like them. Literaly the femminists of SC2 User was warned for this post | ||
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