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Is LotV more fun to watch than HotS?

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raff100
Profile Joined April 2011
498 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-09 14:08:33
April 09 2017 14:07 GMT
#1
One of the main goals of Legacy of the Void was to make SC2 more fun to watch and lots of features,like the less amount of minerals per base, the increase of harass and micro, were introduced to support this design choice.
So, after 3 GSL, 2 SSL, one Blizzcon and countless other korean and foreign tournaments, I think that it's time to compare Legacy of the Void and Hearth of the Swarm in terms of entertainment.
Is LotV more fun to watch than HotS?
I've personally watched a ton of Starcraft 2 in the last days, between WCS qualifiers and GSL super Tournament, and my answer is a decise NO. I'm probably one of the few players to think that way, but I prefer to watch deathballs and fights between armies instead of few harass units killing mineral lines.
Curious to hear your opion about it.
Here is the pool

Poll: Is LotV more fun to watch than HotS?

Yes (478)
 
58%

No (350)
 
42%

828 total votes

Your vote: Is LotV more fun to watch than HotS?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No


bosshdt
Profile Joined April 2015
Afghanistan98 Posts
April 09 2017 14:09 GMT
#2
RIP DED GAEM

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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
April 09 2017 14:11 GMT
#3
Sure it is.
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Yrr
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany804 Posts
April 09 2017 14:25 GMT
#4
Before LotV everyone complained about nothing happening all game long with one big fight at the end which decided the winner. Now in LotV we have more smaller fights all the time and people still complain. Surely most of those attacks concentrate on killing economy but thats just what is most effective. You dont want to fight army if you dont have to. The question is whether the defender does his job properly or if the attacker has a too big advantage with some unit compositions.
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ByuuN
Profile Joined November 2016
Poland678 Posts
April 09 2017 14:25 GMT
#5
More fun to watch and play than hots.
ruypture
Profile Joined May 2014
United States367 Posts
April 09 2017 14:30 GMT
#6
The start of HotS was more fun to watch than the start of LotV, imo. But with some time having passed LotV is infinitely more fun to watch than HotS after 1+ year.

That being said, I LotV still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, which i detailed a bit in the other thread about LotV mechanics.
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StraKo
Profile Joined February 2017
Germany96 Posts
April 09 2017 14:32 GMT
#7
The important question should be:

Is it more fun to play than hots ?

I think both games have their up- and downsides, but LotV is doing some basic things very wrong at the moment and i'm convinced that it could be a much better game than it already is.

LotV is missing out a lot of potential, but maybe with a new multiplayer director, things will change !?
ruypture
Profile Joined May 2014
United States367 Posts
April 09 2017 14:33 GMT
#8
On April 09 2017 23:25 Yrr wrote:
Before LotV everyone complained about nothing happening all game long with one big fight at the end which decided the winner. Now in LotV we have more smaller fights all the time and people still complain. Surely most of those attacks concentrate on killing economy but thats just what is most effective. You dont want to fight army if you dont have to. The question is whether the defender does his job properly or if the attacker has a too big advantage with some unit compositions.

Of course people still complain. Starcraft 2 has issues at its core that people have wanted addressed since 2009/2010.

LotV's skirmishes are great, but units like the Liberator and Adept just emphasize fundamental flaws in the game's design.

On a side note, it is the consumer's job to complain about the product so that the consumer can get the best version of that product.
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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
April 09 2017 14:37 GMT
#9
+ don't take a poll like this too seriously, unhappy people always do more noise.

Hots was just a wol ++ , cad slow with lack of skillcap.
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Vortun
Profile Joined May 2012
42 Posts
April 09 2017 14:38 GMT
#10
Big yes. The deathball style of old SC2 got old to me, real old. I think I prefer playing HotS though, at least in most matchups.
raff100
Profile Joined April 2011
498 Posts
April 09 2017 14:38 GMT
#11
On April 09 2017 23:37 DieuCure wrote:
+ don't take a poll like this too seriously, unhappy people always do more noise.

Hots was just a wol ++ , cad slow with lack of skillcap.


I don't think so,cause most part of unhappy people aren't playing the game anymore. Playerbase numbers are the first indicator of how the players are reacting to the product
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
April 09 2017 14:44 GMT
#12
economy and game flow is better to watch in theory, but design elements have heavily incentivized taking quick advantages and then winning with a low tech followup timing, and also ladder maps have still not been successfully designed to take advantage of lotv economy. but that's also because of the harassment meta - when harassment is king 4th bases are either turtly or very very difficult to take. this is why pvt tvp sucks
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DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
April 09 2017 14:48 GMT
#13
It's definitely more fun to play and I really enjoy watching it more than ever. All the new units make for much more frantic games with small skirmishes all over the place.

The dead game meme wouldn't bother me too much, but when I see that a GSL gets like 8000 views, with the best players duking it out and the best casters casting, I can kind of see their point.
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MuggenOst
Profile Joined April 2017
Denmark3 Posts
April 09 2017 14:54 GMT
#14
The original SC2 is better than both legacy and HotS combined, in my opinion.
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shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
April 09 2017 14:57 GMT
#15
its more fun than games with swarm host

WoL was best until BLfestor was everywhere
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
April 09 2017 14:59 GMT
#16
I think it is better than hots, but it doesnt mean it is in a good state
Wol was still better imo
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
April 09 2017 15:00 GMT
#17
Depends on matchup and meta I think.

Overall, to watch, sure. The lack of 2 hour swarm host siege tank games helps
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mCon.Hephaistas
Profile Joined May 2014
Netherlands891 Posts
April 09 2017 15:08 GMT
#18
I prefered WoL the most, might be nostalgia though.

I remember always being hyped for tournaments like MLG, GSL, IPL etc. Always staying up all night to watch the games.

These days I don't really care anymore, and I barely have any fun playing LoTV(mostly due how dumb ZvZ is these days though).
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
April 09 2017 15:08 GMT
#19
10x more enjoyable for me.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
April 09 2017 15:10 GMT
#20
I bet that "NO" voters never played this game srsly

LotV indeed much better both to play and watch in comparison to WoL/Hots
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