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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On April 09 2017 23:59 Ace Frehley wrote: I think it is better than hots, but it doesnt mean it is in a good state Wol was still better imo WoL when deathball was king and pro complained because this game was too easy ? When nobody was able to split properly ? It was the best version to you because when you are a beginner you get 0 frustration, but if we back to WoL now ... | ||
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Hannibaal
41 Posts
On April 09 2017 23:25 Yrr wrote: Before LotV everyone complained about nothing happening all game long with one big fight at the end which decided the winner. Now in LotV we have more smaller fights all the time and people still complain. Surely most of those attacks concentrate on killing economy but thats just what is most effective. You dont want to fight army if you dont have to. The question is whether the defender does his job properly or if the attacker has a too big advantage with some unit compositions. I'm still watching deathballs, skytoss and masters zergs that win games with a single hotkey using F2 for the army, and many bullshit like pylon rush or 1 base Ravager. | ||
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GreenMash
Norway1746 Posts
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SChlafmann
France725 Posts
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Hadronsbecrazy
United Kingdom551 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Only problem for me both watching and playing is that the new economy and creep made tvz less of a pull-and-push game with bio vs lingbling with I loved to play and watch. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On April 10 2017 00:10 DieuCure wrote: WoL when deathball was king and pro complained because this game was too easy ? When nobody was able to split properly ? It was the best version to you because when you are a beginner you get 0 frustration, but if we back to WoL now ... Yeah widow mines and swarm hosts made the game so much more skill-based and exciting, and definitely less deathbally! ... Oh wait no it just made it all worse. I can not say if LotV is better than WoL or not. I'd say it's about even in terms of fun to watch. But HotS was definitely the worst stage of the game and it killed the excitement for many players. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
I dont know about zvz though. I will always find something else to watch when it comes on because I always found that matchup uninteresting. LOTV isnt as bad as people claim it to be. It doesnt mean there is no need to enhance the economy/ fix protoss bullshit. | ||
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0mg_t1red
Russian Federation104 Posts
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imre
France9263 Posts
TvP/TvT/TvZ were overall better in HotS imo (the mass drop meta was definitely the best TvP experience in the match up as a viewer). TvT and TvZ have been trash for almost all LotV, and if the former wasn't stellar in HotS, TvZ was almost always very good (SH/Mech was kinda bad but not way worse than the ultralisk era). As far as the opinion of everyone goes, I think both player count and viewership figures are telling a story. | ||
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PinoKotsBeer
Netherlands1385 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16669 Posts
On April 10 2017 00:10 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet that "NO" voters never played this game srsly LotV indeed much better both to play and watch in comparison to WoL/Hots personally, i agree. my 40 apm part time player friends continue to play WoL 2v2s because LotV is too complicated. | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
I quit at the end of WoL, tried to comeback in hots but new units made it suck even more. People are salty about not being able to sit on their ass for 15 minutes and play deathballs...game actually requires some multitask skills for other races than T below gm now. Is harass too strong? Sure, could be toned down...but does it make it worse than hots? Not by a long shot. And don't get me started on people thinking 10 minutes to mine out a base is too short... | ||
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Luolis
Finland7103 Posts
On April 10 2017 00:10 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I bet that "NO" voters never played this game srsly LotV indeed much better both to play and watch in comparison to WoL/Hots Played both Lotv and Hots semi-seriously, i enjoyed hots much much more than Lotv. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On April 10 2017 00:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote: personally, i agree. my 40 apm part time player friends continue to play WoL 2v2s because LotV is too complicated. sure they do, cause being so slow is not a good thing in RTS, at this point a single oracle is a big deal Played both Lotv and Hots semi-seriously, i enjoyed hots much much more than Lotv. and the reason why is that? | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
SC2 used to have 100k viewers in WOL In LotV they number are down to 8k. Personally I have stopped watching completly. I still play the game though but it was far better in WOL and in late HOTS (after Swarm Hosts got nerfed). Air units are too strong. Mech is still useless. Resources run out too fast. Killing workers is low risk high reward. There are too many units with too many overlapping unit roles. SwarmHosts now cost 75 gas and give you a I-win button if the opponent is going mech. Adept is an awful idea that should never have left the alpha stage. Basically this game used to be really good but currently it is just frustrating to play. A lazy balance team that only looked at winrates is what killed this game. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3351 Posts
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Espartaquen
88 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7103 Posts
On April 10 2017 00:53 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: sure they do, cause being so slow is not a good thing in RTS, at this point a single oracle is a big deal and the reason why is that? Most of the things tbh, i liked old worker start/mineral thing more, i dislike most of the new units and changes to old units. I feel like the old pace of wol/hots was perfect for SC2 and think that lotv is bit too much of an adhdfest at times. Combine that with stuff like liberators or adepts, and a perfect mix of motivation losing is born. | ||
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