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Greatest HotS Players of All Time: Part 1 - Page 3
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evolsiefil
143 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13977 Posts
On February 25 2016 07:33 [PkF] Wire wrote: no GSL or SS2L for sOs though... But yeah his performances in Blizzcons and 100k tourneys are probably worth a top 2 spot. Hot6cup is technically a gsl | ||
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Nightwishone
Italy391 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24208 Posts
technically is the key word here. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15972 Posts
On February 25 2016 08:29 Nightwishone wrote: People who were not around in the WOL and HOTS eras cannot understand... There were times in which terran couldn't win shit, zergs dominated, and the only one who was still able to win - not only that - look comfortable and even unbeatable was TaeJa himself. In addition to that many of the players some people would rate ahead of TaeJa had a lot of their success from foreign tournaments themselves. 4 of sOs 5 tournament victories were foreign tournaments and in terms of difficulty the blizzcons weren't much more difficult than DH Bucharest, DH Winter or IEM Shenzhen. herO had 3 out of his 5 tournament wins from foreign tournaments. Even Life has except his 1 GSL victory not much results in korea. | ||
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phantomfive
Korea (South)404 Posts
On February 25 2016 08:42 Charoisaur wrote: In addition to that many of the players some people would rate ahead of TaeJa had a lot of their success from foreign tournaments themselves. 4 of sOs 5 tournament victories were foreign tournaments and in terms of difficulty the blizzcons weren't much more difficult than DH Bucharest, DH Winter or IEM Shenzhen. herO had 3 out of his 5 tournament wins from foreign tournaments. Even Life has except his 1 GSL victory not much results in korea. Taeja has a winning record against a lot of the top players. | ||
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Hadronsbecrazy
United Kingdom551 Posts
On February 25 2016 08:29 Nightwishone wrote: People who were not around in the WOL and HOTS eras cannot understand... There were times in which terran couldn't win shit, zergs dominated, and the only one who was still able to win - not only that - look comfortable and even unbeatable was TaeJa himself. sure Taeja did look ok vs protoss at the time. But during that period the only Terran in Korea winning and performing in proleague + individual leagues consistently was Maru. Taeja mostly dominated the foreign scene, where as Maru was facing the likes of herO/PartinG/Zest/Classic on a far regular basis. If you throw Taeja in there, Polt deserves a massive mention as well. He kinda invented the whole Nexus sniping way of playing TvP during the Blink Era. I don't think I'll ever forget how epic the series between him and Classic/Rain were at IEM Cologne. | ||
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Hadronsbecrazy
United Kingdom551 Posts
On February 25 2016 08:50 phantomfive wrote: Taeja has a winning record against a lot of the top players. mostly in sprint tournaments though. He never did all that well in WCS/GSL. He always performed really well at weekend tournaments though. | ||
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wjat
385 Posts
-Protoss: sOs, herO -Zerg: Life, soO, -Terran: Innovation, Maru. 1-Innovation 2-Life 3-sOs 4-soO 5-Maru 6-herO | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
PartinG is the most charismatic Korean in SC2’s history I may not have watched much HotS but can you really put Parting above MC here? | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On February 25 2016 07:11 Cricketer12 wrote: sOs Zest TaeJa Life Inno herO soO Maru Rain and Polt...but in what order... 10. Inno 9. sOs 8. soO 7. Rain 6. Maru 5. herO 4. Polt 3. Zest 2. TaeJa 1. Life is my guess fair enough, I would agree outside of the Zest part... No no no no no! Two times BlizzCon champion cannot be no. 9! | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Bomber's success lasted much longer, yes, but I think ByuL's shorter streak of success still beats him. ByuL had much more adverse conditions in 2015 than Bomber ever did. Bomber had success during the dreaded 2014 Blink Era, but he primarily did so in WCS AM where the hammer of Protoss was much softer. ByuL exclusively went up against the best of the best post-SH patch. While not as imbalanced as some eras, it was definitely the most unfavorable for Zerg in HotS. Not only that, he did so while juggling dual starleagues, Kespa Cups, and having to serve as a major pillar in CJ's SPL success what with playing in nearly 100% of their matches. == Aside from that I'd rank PartinG over Classic. PartinG's longevity as a top-tier Protoss is inspiring and he consistently had awful bracket luck in most of his starleague runs. == My guess from here on out: 10. Polt 9. Rain 8. Taeja (might be lower due to doing next to nothing in 2015) 7. herO 6. Maru 5.soO 4.Zest 3.sOs 2.Bogus 1. Life | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15972 Posts
On February 25 2016 09:19 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Aside from that I'd rank PartinG over Classic. PartinG's longevity as a top-tier Protoss is inspiring and he consistently had awful bracket luck in most of his starleague runs. I'm the biggest PartinG fanboy there is and even I dont think he can compete with dual starleague wins, dual ro4 at blizzcon and an IEM victory. | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On February 25 2016 07:50 Charoisaur wrote: 1. Life: GSL, Blizzcon, another blizzcon finals, won the first HotS tournament, an IEM, a DH; I don't think this one is debatable. 2. TaeJa: I guess people will never agree on this one but 8 premiers and A LOT of other top finishes are enough to put him at #2 IMO. and yes he beat some of the best players in the worlds to win his titles, has a winning record against soO, Zest, Life, INnoVation, sOs. 3. sOs: won 3 of the most important tournaments in HotS, when it matters he just is on another level. 4. INnoVation: Double GSL winner + another GSL final, a WCS season finals and looking completely unbeatable at times. 5. herO/Zest: this is dead even imo. Both have a starleague and 3-4 other tournament wins and a strong PL performance. Can't really decide on that one. 6. herO/Zest 7. soO: 4 gsl finals, DH finals, IEM finals, Kespa cup win. if he just performed better in finals he'd be WAY higher on the list. 8. Maru: Dual starleague wins and a boss in proleague. He does things nobody else can but his stubborness really made him win less than a player with his potential should. 9. Classic: Dual starleague wins, ro4 at two blizzcons, won a stacked IEM. 10. Polt: 3 WCS victories, an MLG and a red bull battlegrounds + his miracle run at IEM cologne. But unlike TaeJa he didn't really beat the best players in the world for his victories (except Rain and classic at that IEM of course) edit : switched sOs and Inno This is a really good ranking. I like it. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8304 Posts
5. Soo 4. Zest 3. Life 2. SoS 1. Innovation Reasoning: I feel like Innovation has a lock on 1. Sure 2015 wasn't great, but for most of HoTS he was the embodiment of HoTS Terran. He played that epic game against Taeja on Newkirk Precinct to imprint his memory on HoTS forever. He was in the first GSL HoTS final, he was in the last HoTS GSL final. He is the champion of HoTS in my eyes. SoS may not have placed highly in GOAT, and rightfully so, but 2 Blizzcon championships and IEM World Champion!? Anything less than top 3 would be dissapointing in my eyes. I mean say what you want, the dude fucking made it when it counted. Life performed well and his Blizzcon championship gives him the edge over Zest but overall, he's #1 or #2 on the GOAT because for about four years he's been one of the best players in the world. It's about consistency. He did well in HoTS to say the least, but I think Innovation and SoS performed better than he did. Zest performed extremely well but for myself (and I know I'm in the minority here) he never had that coronation that Innovation had by winning that WCS Season Final (After losing 3-4 to Soulkey a week or two earlier), that Life had through his Blizzcon win, that SoS had by ripping the final HoTS Blizzcon trophy from Life's cold dead hands. Does Soo need an explanation? Consistent, definitely earned his place in top 5. But not enough first places to beat any of the top 4. Edit: Miniwheats gets it. My guess from here on out: 10. Polt 9. Rain 8. Taeja (might be lower due to doing next to nothing in 2015) 7. herO 6. Maru 5.soO 4.Zest 3.sOs 2.Bogus 1. Life I don't mind Life over Innovation, I could absolutely see it either way... In fact... Yeah I suppose you're right results wise. The two blizzcon finals really give Life the edge I suppose. Also, I'm willing to concede that yeah, sOs makes more sense at 3 than 2. Agreed on the rest of the entire top 10 list. Edit: Cricketer, my beloved fellow HuK fan... Your list is crazy. Inno and SoS at 10 and 9? No way bud. Further: On February 25 2016 08:29 Nightwishone wrote: People who were not around in the WOL and HOTS eras cannot understand... There were times in which terran couldn't win shit, zergs dominated, and the only one who was still able to win - not only that - look comfortable and even unbeatable was TaeJa himself. No. Always two there were. From arms weak with shoulder pain MVP threw the torch to innovation, his to hold high and holy hell, high it was held by him. Taeja's championing of the Terran race was split over both WoL and HoTS. In WoL MVP was the Terran King, in HoTS it was Innovation. Taeja was secondary to them. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
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Ensiferum8
Canada103 Posts
HotS was imbalanced for teh vast majority fo the time. Early terrans were OP with hellbats. After that toss were broken with blink and awfull maps like heavy rain, yeonsu, deadlus point etc.... And zerg were also insanely favored vs T after the mine nerf, then in the end, terrans were still weaker judjing by premier tournaments finals representation. That changes a lot, since Maru semi finals in GSL when only 3 terrans were in code S is worth almost a win IMO, where sOs vs herO in IEM final was just a blink festival, and that win is way less impressive since only 1.5 race were playable at that time | ||
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Ensiferum8
Canada103 Posts
But tbh, GSL or SSL is harder to win than blizzcon. I mean, in blizzcon, you have players like Polt, Hydra, Hyun, Lilbow, San, etc.... And with all due respect, these players are way weaker than 90% of GSL round of 16 or round of 8 player. In terms of importance, it should be : #1 GSL #2 SSL #3 Blizzcon And considering terrans were the weakest race, statistically, for the vast majority of HotS, i would put #1 INNO #2 sOs #3 Life but thats just my opnion.......... | ||
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