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On February 25 2016 20:28 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 19:49 Elentos wrote:On February 25 2016 19:43 ZAiNs wrote:
Bomber doesn't belong on the list at all >_>. He achieved quite a bit and he was pretty strong in 2013/2014, it's understandable for him to be on the list. On February 25 2016 19:44 insitelol wrote:
lolwhat parting is easily top 3 Not even close. He won 3 premier tournaments in HotS. He has no wins in Korea. His high peak skill level can't carry him past the fact that there's many players who just flatly won a lot more. WCG KR 2013 - 1st Uhh, KR stands for Korea, right? 
Technically, that's just a qualifier though. No prize money, only a WCG seed. The only thing that elevates it from an IEM KR qualifier is that it was played offline. Which honestly kinda makes it on par with a strong bracket in SSL qualifiers. So yeah, PartinG's only win in KR tournaments in HotS was just a difficult a qualifier bracket.
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On February 25 2016 21:28 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 20:28 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2016 19:49 Elentos wrote:On February 25 2016 19:43 ZAiNs wrote:
Bomber doesn't belong on the list at all >_>. He achieved quite a bit and he was pretty strong in 2013/2014, it's understandable for him to be on the list. On February 25 2016 19:44 insitelol wrote:
lolwhat parting is easily top 3 Not even close. He won 3 premier tournaments in HotS. He has no wins in Korea. His high peak skill level can't carry him past the fact that there's many players who just flatly won a lot more. WCG KR 2013 - 1st Uhh, KR stands for Korea, right? Technically, that's just a qualifier though. No prize money, only a WCG seed. The only thing that elevates it from an IEM KR qualifier is that it was played offline. Which honestly kinda makes it on par with a really strong bracket in SSL qualifiers.
It's a 1st place  But yes, Parting was consistent, but never won anything big & important. So this 11th(?) place suits him IMO well. He was an important person for HotS, created Parting award (and then broke the series, !@#!$!$!@) He should be in the top15
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On February 25 2016 21:40 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 21:28 Elentos wrote:On February 25 2016 20:28 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2016 19:49 Elentos wrote:On February 25 2016 19:43 ZAiNs wrote:
Bomber doesn't belong on the list at all >_>. He achieved quite a bit and he was pretty strong in 2013/2014, it's understandable for him to be on the list. On February 25 2016 19:44 insitelol wrote:
lolwhat parting is easily top 3 Not even close. He won 3 premier tournaments in HotS. He has no wins in Korea. His high peak skill level can't carry him past the fact that there's many players who just flatly won a lot more. WCG KR 2013 - 1st Uhh, KR stands for Korea, right? Technically, that's just a qualifier though. No prize money, only a WCG seed. The only thing that elevates it from an IEM KR qualifier is that it was played offline. Which honestly kinda makes it on par with a really strong bracket in SSL qualifiers. It's a 1st place But yes, Parting was consistent, but never won anything big & important. So this 11th(?) place suits him IMO well. He was an important person for HotS, created Parting award (and then broke the series, !@#!$!$!@) He should be in the top15
Yeah he's top 15 for sure, whether you want to count him as 12th like stuchiu, higher, or lower doesn't really matter much. But he can't really hit top 3 for HotS.
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On February 25 2016 21:43 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 21:40 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2016 21:28 Elentos wrote:On February 25 2016 20:28 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2016 19:49 Elentos wrote:On February 25 2016 19:43 ZAiNs wrote:
Bomber doesn't belong on the list at all >_>. He achieved quite a bit and he was pretty strong in 2013/2014, it's understandable for him to be on the list. On February 25 2016 19:44 insitelol wrote:
lolwhat parting is easily top 3 Not even close. He won 3 premier tournaments in HotS. He has no wins in Korea. His high peak skill level can't carry him past the fact that there's many players who just flatly won a lot more. WCG KR 2013 - 1st Uhh, KR stands for Korea, right? Technically, that's just a qualifier though. No prize money, only a WCG seed. The only thing that elevates it from an IEM KR qualifier is that it was played offline. Which honestly kinda makes it on par with a really strong bracket in SSL qualifiers. It's a 1st place But yes, Parting was consistent, but never won anything big & important. So this 11th(?) place suits him IMO well. He was an important person for HotS, created Parting award (and then broke the series, !@#!$!$!@) He should be in the top15 Yeah he's top 15 for sure, whether you want to count him as 12th like stuchiu, higher, or lower doesn't really matter much. But he can't really hit top 3.
Oh, on that point I agree completely. I made bold the part I was pointing out
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On February 25 2016 21:45 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 21:43 Elentos wrote:On February 25 2016 21:40 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2016 21:28 Elentos wrote:On February 25 2016 20:28 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2016 19:49 Elentos wrote:On February 25 2016 19:43 ZAiNs wrote:
Bomber doesn't belong on the list at all >_>. He achieved quite a bit and he was pretty strong in 2013/2014, it's understandable for him to be on the list. On February 25 2016 19:44 insitelol wrote:
lolwhat parting is easily top 3 Not even close. He won 3 premier tournaments in HotS. He has no wins in Korea. His high peak skill level can't carry him past the fact that there's many players who just flatly won a lot more. WCG KR 2013 - 1st Uhh, KR stands for Korea, right? Technically, that's just a qualifier though. No prize money, only a WCG seed. The only thing that elevates it from an IEM KR qualifier is that it was played offline. Which honestly kinda makes it on par with a really strong bracket in SSL qualifiers. It's a 1st place But yes, Parting was consistent, but never won anything big & important. So this 11th(?) place suits him IMO well. He was an important person for HotS, created Parting award (and then broke the series, !@#!$!$!@) He should be in the top15 Yeah he's top 15 for sure, whether you want to count him as 12th like stuchiu, higher, or lower doesn't really matter much. But he can't really hit top 3. Oh, on that point I agree completely. I made bold the part I was pointing out
Tbh that WCG KR win is no more impressive than Solar winning his S2SL qualifier bracket this season. I don't think 5 years from now that's gonna be listed as a tier 1 achievement though. That's why for me despite that 1st place it's still "PartinG hasn't won anything in Korea". Certainly hasn't won anything big :/
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On February 25 2016 20:11 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 19:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On February 25 2016 19:43 ZAiNs wrote:
Bomber doesn't belong on the list at all >_>. He doesn't deserve to be ranked ahead of ByuL I'd say he does. He was way, way, way ahead of ByuL in 2013 and 2014. To the point where I don't think ByuL's 2015 is enough to catch up. If ByuL had won a single one of those tournaments definitely. But the way it is, Bomber just had way more success in HotS overall and his skill peaks were actually pretty high. Like, at RB: Washington he 4-0'd Cure who was a GSL semifinalist at the time. Also honorable mentions to Jaedong for placing 2nd in about 1000 events in HotS.
So the difference between 2nd and 1st in GSL/SSL/Kespa Cup is the difference between #14 and #15? In that case I don't think Bomber had "way more success" at all then.
I guess I'll agree to disagree in that I actually do think ByuL's 6 or so month peak of rigid top-tier play in 2015 still beats Bomber's sporadic highs of 2013 and 2014.
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Innovation should be top 1
Why? hellbat nerf, window mine nerf, invented parade push style, made mech look imba in TvZ. He was also a beast in proleague.
The only other player I could see top 1 is sOs: He is the reason why "protoss is bullshit".
I think we all know why Life can't be ranked 1...
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On February 25 2016 19:49 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 19:43 ZAiNs wrote:
Bomber doesn't belong on the list at all >_>. He achieved quite a bit and he was pretty strong in 2013/2014, it's understandable for him to be on the list. Not even close. He won 3 premier tournaments in HotS. He has no wins in Korea. His high peak skill level can't carry him past the fact that there's many players who just flatly won a lot more.
So... You mean TaeJa won't be in the Top 10 ?
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On February 25 2016 21:58 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 20:11 Elentos wrote:On February 25 2016 19:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On February 25 2016 19:43 ZAiNs wrote:
Bomber doesn't belong on the list at all >_>. He doesn't deserve to be ranked ahead of ByuL I'd say he does. He was way, way, way ahead of ByuL in 2013 and 2014. To the point where I don't think ByuL's 2015 is enough to catch up. If ByuL had won a single one of those tournaments definitely. But the way it is, Bomber just had way more success in HotS overall and his skill peaks were actually pretty high. Like, at RB: Washington he 4-0'd Cure who was a GSL semifinalist at the time. Also honorable mentions to Jaedong for placing 2nd in about 1000 events in HotS. So the difference between 2nd and 1st in GSL/SSL/Kespa Cup is the difference between #14 and #15? In that case I don't think Bomber had "way more success" at all then.
In terms of tangible success - trophies, earnings - Bomber is miles ahead of ByuL in HotS. The only reason ByuL can be considered for this list at all is his 5-6 consecutive months at the top. And if he had won any of the tournaments he finished highly in during that time you could consider putting him above Bomber - and not just Bomber. But as it stands, while Bomber had less consecutive (arguably less overall) months at the top of Korean competition, when he was in top form he actually won stuff.
Take soO. soO is gonna end up higher on the list than Classic because he was the best Zerg in the world for 4 GSLs straight (~1 year). No other player will be able to match that consistency. But he'll still end up lower than players who weren't consistently as strong but won stuff when they were.
I get where you're coming from and I can totally see why you wouldn't agree with that evaluation of ByuL. But saying Bomber doesn't deserve to be ahead of ByuL is a bit disrespectful towards the author. He spent time researching this shit, after all, and arrived at the conclusion that, in line with his criteria, Bomber does deserve it.
On February 25 2016 22:42 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 19:49 Elentos wrote:On February 25 2016 19:43 ZAiNs wrote:
Bomber doesn't belong on the list at all >_>. He achieved quite a bit and he was pretty strong in 2013/2014, it's understandable for him to be on the list. On February 25 2016 19:44 insitelol wrote:
lolwhat parting is easily top 3 Not even close. He won 3 premier tournaments in HotS. He has no wins in Korea. His high peak skill level can't carry him past the fact that there's many players who just flatly won a lot more. So... You mean TaeJa won't be in the Top 10 ?
TaeJa is different in that the amount of tournaments he won and placed highly in and his skill peaks are too obscenely high to not be top 10. He won more tournaments in HotS than anyone else who'll be on the list, and the truth is that he consistently beat top players to do it, not a bunch of scrubs. The comment was also about PartinG being top 3, not top 10.
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On February 25 2016 20:39 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 20:32 ZertoN wrote:On February 25 2016 09:06 wjat wrote:
The top 2 players for each race in hots were:
-Protoss: sOs, herO
-Zerg: Life, soO,
-Terran: Innovation, Maru.
1-Innovation 2-Life 3-sOs 4-soO 5-Maru 6-herO byul should be really really close for zergs, but anyway you have done a good job, you just made a better list than this useless writer is gonna make sOs has the biggest wins in his sleeve from HotS. His achievement list is bigger than Innovation's so if Innovation > Life, then the proper list would be sOs, Inno, Life. Though I think that with the number of tournaments Life visited he will get enough StuPoints to get over sOs.
not really. blizzcon has more prestige, but gsl/ssl is much more difficult to win. sos lacks such a championship for him to be even considered #1. innovation has 3 korean tournament victories and made another gsl final.
if you make a proper list that includes consistency, tournament difficulty, balance at the time and team league performance, the list should be as follows:
1. innovation
2. life
3. sos
4. zest
5. maru
6. hero
7. soo
8. taeja
9. classic
10. byul
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On February 25 2016 23:00 ZertoN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 20:39 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2016 20:32 ZertoN wrote:On February 25 2016 09:06 wjat wrote:
The top 2 players for each race in hots were:
-Protoss: sOs, herO
-Zerg: Life, soO,
-Terran: Innovation, Maru.
1-Innovation 2-Life 3-sOs 4-soO 5-Maru 6-herO byul should be really really close for zergs, but anyway you have done a good job, you just made a better list than this useless writer is gonna make sOs has the biggest wins in his sleeve from HotS. His achievement list is bigger than Innovation's so if Innovation > Life, then the proper list would be sOs, Inno, Life. Though I think that with the number of tournaments Life visited he will get enough StuPoints to get over sOs. not really. blizzcon has more prestige, but gsl/ssl is much more difficult to win. sos lacks such a championship for him to be even considered #1. innovation has 3 korean tournament victories and made another gsl final. if you make a proper list that includes consistency, tournament difficulty, balance at the time and team league performance, the list should be as follows: 1. innovation 2. life 3. sos 4. zest 5. maru 6. hero 7. soo 8. taeja 9. classic 10. byul
sOs has 4 big wins - Hot6 cup, Katowice, 2 Blizzcons.
Innovation has 3 big wins - GSL15 S3, GSL14 S2, WCS13 Finals S1(over sOs BTW)
BTW GSL > Blizzcon is your subjective view. My view is different. There's no "proper" list in this matter. And if we are talking about consistency, then the #1 spot has to have Life who was beast whole HotS.
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On February 25 2016 23:00 ZertoN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 20:39 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2016 20:32 ZertoN wrote:On February 25 2016 09:06 wjat wrote:
The top 2 players for each race in hots were:
-Protoss: sOs, herO
-Zerg: Life, soO,
-Terran: Innovation, Maru.
1-Innovation 2-Life 3-sOs 4-soO 5-Maru 6-herO byul should be really really close for zergs, but anyway you have done a good job, you just made a better list than this useless writer is gonna make sOs has the biggest wins in his sleeve from HotS. His achievement list is bigger than Innovation's so if Innovation > Life, then the proper list would be sOs, Inno, Life. Though I think that with the number of tournaments Life visited he will get enough StuPoints to get over sOs. not really. blizzcon has more prestige, but gsl/ssl is much more difficult to win. sos lacks such a championship for him to be even considered #1. innovation has 3 korean tournament victories and made another gsl final.
In order to get in to blizzcon you have win atleast one gsl or ssl. Blizzcon is tournament of champions/killers with hunger of prestige. So blizzcon was harder when GSL and SSL
now it will be slaughter of foreigners....
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On February 25 2016 23:15 Chant1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 23:00 ZertoN wrote:On February 25 2016 20:39 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2016 20:32 ZertoN wrote:On February 25 2016 09:06 wjat wrote:
The top 2 players for each race in hots were:
-Protoss: sOs, herO
-Zerg: Life, soO,
-Terran: Innovation, Maru.
1-Innovation 2-Life 3-sOs 4-soO 5-Maru 6-herO byul should be really really close for zergs, but anyway you have done a good job, you just made a better list than this useless writer is gonna make sOs has the biggest wins in his sleeve from HotS. His achievement list is bigger than Innovation's so if Innovation > Life, then the proper list would be sOs, Inno, Life. Though I think that with the number of tournaments Life visited he will get enough StuPoints to get over sOs. not really. blizzcon has more prestige, but gsl/ssl is much more difficult to win. sos lacks such a championship for him to be even considered #1. innovation has 3 korean tournament victories and made another gsl final. In order to get in to blizzcon you have win atleast one gsl or ssl.
This year you do, but last year you really didn't have to. Fantasy and Rogue had no top 4 finishes in any premier WCS event and both made the global finals. A bunch of players would have comfortably made it there even without their league wins. Zest basically only made it there because he won IEM Katowice. The Blizzcon champion finished top 4 in Korean events at most. That still didn't kill the overall player quality but regardless, I think last year it was easier to get to the global finals as a Korean.
And the problem with Blizzcon that will always persist - it takes into account an entire year of work from the players to qualify, but not their current form. The top 16 last year may have been the best players of the year as a whole, but not all of them were on form anymore. For me, that just takes away from Blizzcon in terms of prestige. Yeah you have to be consistent or peak really high to get there but the competition isn't immediately harder than GSL because of it, odds are there's player overlap aswell. Not to mention to win GSL starting in Code A, you have to win at the very least 22 games, against a huge potential variety of players. To win the global finals you have to win 14 this year.
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On February 25 2016 23:14 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 23:00 ZertoN wrote:On February 25 2016 20:39 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2016 20:32 ZertoN wrote:On February 25 2016 09:06 wjat wrote:
The top 2 players for each race in hots were:
-Protoss: sOs, herO
-Zerg: Life, soO,
-Terran: Innovation, Maru.
1-Innovation 2-Life 3-sOs 4-soO 5-Maru 6-herO byul should be really really close for zergs, but anyway you have done a good job, you just made a better list than this useless writer is gonna make sOs has the biggest wins in his sleeve from HotS. His achievement list is bigger than Innovation's so if Innovation > Life, then the proper list would be sOs, Inno, Life. Though I think that with the number of tournaments Life visited he will get enough StuPoints to get over sOs. not really. blizzcon has more prestige, but gsl/ssl is much more difficult to win. sos lacks such a championship for him to be even considered #1. innovation has 3 korean tournament victories and made another gsl final. if you make a proper list that includes consistency, tournament difficulty, balance at the time and team league performance, the list should be as follows: 1. innovation 2. life 3. sos 4. zest 5. maru 6. hero 7. soo 8. taeja 9. classic 10. byul sOs has 4 big wins - Hot6 cup, Katowice, 2 Blizzcons. Innovation has 3 big wins - GSL15 S3, GSL14 S2, WCS13 Finals S1(over sOs BTW) BTW GSL > Blizzcon is your subjective view. My view is different. There's no "proper" list in this matter. And if we are talking about consistency, then the #1 spot has to have Life who was beast whole HotS.
did you read the whole post or just looked at the list?
and also gsl is objectively more difficult to win than blizzcon.
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On February 25 2016 23:00 ZertoN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 20:39 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2016 20:32 ZertoN wrote:On February 25 2016 09:06 wjat wrote:
The top 2 players for each race in hots were:
-Protoss: sOs, herO
-Zerg: Life, soO,
-Terran: Innovation, Maru.
1-Innovation 2-Life 3-sOs 4-soO 5-Maru 6-herO byul should be really really close for zergs, but anyway you have done a good job, you just made a better list than this useless writer is gonna make sOs has the biggest wins in his sleeve from HotS. His achievement list is bigger than Innovation's so if Innovation > Life, then the proper list would be sOs, Inno, Life. Though I think that with the number of tournaments Life visited he will get enough StuPoints to get over sOs. not really. blizzcon has more prestige, but gsl/ssl is much more difficult to win. sos lacks such a championship for him to be even considered #1. innovation has 3 korean tournament victories and made another gsl final. if you make a proper list that includes consistency, tournament difficulty, balance at the time and team league performance, the list should be as follows: 1. innovation 2. life 3. sos 4. zest 5. maru 6. hero 7. soo 8. taeja 9. classic 10. byul
I like how you quote INno's WCS Finals win as a 'Korean tournament victory' while criticising sOs' Blizzcons
All the WCS Season finals were much weaker tournaments than Blizzcon
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On February 25 2016 23:40 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 23:00 ZertoN wrote:On February 25 2016 20:39 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2016 20:32 ZertoN wrote:On February 25 2016 09:06 wjat wrote:
The top 2 players for each race in hots were:
-Protoss: sOs, herO
-Zerg: Life, soO,
-Terran: Innovation, Maru.
1-Innovation 2-Life 3-sOs 4-soO 5-Maru 6-herO byul should be really really close for zergs, but anyway you have done a good job, you just made a better list than this useless writer is gonna make sOs has the biggest wins in his sleeve from HotS. His achievement list is bigger than Innovation's so if Innovation > Life, then the proper list would be sOs, Inno, Life. Though I think that with the number of tournaments Life visited he will get enough StuPoints to get over sOs. not really. blizzcon has more prestige, but gsl/ssl is much more difficult to win. sos lacks such a championship for him to be even considered #1. innovation has 3 korean tournament victories and made another gsl final. if you make a proper list that includes consistency, tournament difficulty, balance at the time and team league performance, the list should be as follows: 1. innovation 2. life 3. sos 4. zest 5. maru 6. hero 7. soo 8. taeja 9. classic 10. byul I like how you quote INno's WCS Finals win as a 'Korean tournament victory' while criticising sOs' Blizzcons All the WCS Season finals were much weaker tournaments than Blizzcon
i like how you think a tournament that is played in korea isnt a korean tournament
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On February 25 2016 23:55 ZertoN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 23:40 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On February 25 2016 23:00 ZertoN wrote:On February 25 2016 20:39 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2016 20:32 ZertoN wrote:On February 25 2016 09:06 wjat wrote:
The top 2 players for each race in hots were:
-Protoss: sOs, herO
-Zerg: Life, soO,
-Terran: Innovation, Maru.
1-Innovation 2-Life 3-sOs 4-soO 5-Maru 6-herO byul should be really really close for zergs, but anyway you have done a good job, you just made a better list than this useless writer is gonna make sOs has the biggest wins in his sleeve from HotS. His achievement list is bigger than Innovation's so if Innovation > Life, then the proper list would be sOs, Inno, Life. Though I think that with the number of tournaments Life visited he will get enough StuPoints to get over sOs. not really. blizzcon has more prestige, but gsl/ssl is much more difficult to win. sos lacks such a championship for him to be even considered #1. innovation has 3 korean tournament victories and made another gsl final. if you make a proper list that includes consistency, tournament difficulty, balance at the time and team league performance, the list should be as follows: 1. innovation 2. life 3. sos 4. zest 5. maru 6. hero 7. soo 8. taeja 9. classic 10. byul I like how you quote INno's WCS Finals win as a 'Korean tournament victory' while criticising sOs' Blizzcons All the WCS Season finals were much weaker tournaments than Blizzcon i like how you think a tournament that is played in korea isnt a korean tournament
You're trying to equate it to a starleague by bundling it in with his two GSLs. I'm just pointing out the inconsistency
And I never said it wasn't a Korean tournament.
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On February 25 2016 23:59 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 23:55 ZertoN wrote:On February 25 2016 23:40 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On February 25 2016 23:00 ZertoN wrote:On February 25 2016 20:39 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2016 20:32 ZertoN wrote:On February 25 2016 09:06 wjat wrote:
The top 2 players for each race in hots were:
-Protoss: sOs, herO
-Zerg: Life, soO,
-Terran: Innovation, Maru.
1-Innovation 2-Life 3-sOs 4-soO 5-Maru 6-herO byul should be really really close for zergs, but anyway you have done a good job, you just made a better list than this useless writer is gonna make sOs has the biggest wins in his sleeve from HotS. His achievement list is bigger than Innovation's so if Innovation > Life, then the proper list would be sOs, Inno, Life. Though I think that with the number of tournaments Life visited he will get enough StuPoints to get over sOs. not really. blizzcon has more prestige, but gsl/ssl is much more difficult to win. sos lacks such a championship for him to be even considered #1. innovation has 3 korean tournament victories and made another gsl final. if you make a proper list that includes consistency, tournament difficulty, balance at the time and team league performance, the list should be as follows: 1. innovation 2. life 3. sos 4. zest 5. maru 6. hero 7. soo 8. taeja 9. classic 10. byul I like how you quote INno's WCS Finals win as a 'Korean tournament victory' while criticising sOs' Blizzcons All the WCS Season finals were much weaker tournaments than Blizzcon i like how you think a tournament that is played in korea isnt a korean tournament You're trying to equate it to a starleague by bundling it in with his two GSLs. I'm just pointing out the inconsistency And I never said it wasn't a Korean tournament.
i didnt say that. thats just your interpretation of it.
i said he won 3 korean tournaments which is the objective truth.
and yes i do think a wcs finals victory is a tier below a starleague.
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On February 25 2016 23:34 ZertoN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 23:14 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2016 23:00 ZertoN wrote:On February 25 2016 20:39 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2016 20:32 ZertoN wrote:On February 25 2016 09:06 wjat wrote:
The top 2 players for each race in hots were:
-Protoss: sOs, herO
-Zerg: Life, soO,
-Terran: Innovation, Maru.
1-Innovation 2-Life 3-sOs 4-soO 5-Maru 6-herO byul should be really really close for zergs, but anyway you have done a good job, you just made a better list than this useless writer is gonna make sOs has the biggest wins in his sleeve from HotS. His achievement list is bigger than Innovation's so if Innovation > Life, then the proper list would be sOs, Inno, Life. Though I think that with the number of tournaments Life visited he will get enough StuPoints to get over sOs. not really. blizzcon has more prestige, but gsl/ssl is much more difficult to win. sos lacks such a championship for him to be even considered #1. innovation has 3 korean tournament victories and made another gsl final. if you make a proper list that includes consistency, tournament difficulty, balance at the time and team league performance, the list should be as follows: 1. innovation 2. life 3. sos 4. zest 5. maru 6. hero 7. soo 8. taeja 9. classic 10. byul sOs has 4 big wins - Hot6 cup, Katowice, 2 Blizzcons. Innovation has 3 big wins - GSL15 S3, GSL14 S2, WCS13 Finals S1(over sOs BTW) BTW GSL > Blizzcon is your subjective view. My view is different. There's no "proper" list in this matter. And if we are talking about consistency, then the #1 spot has to have Life who was beast whole HotS. did you read the whole post or just looked at the list? and also gsl is objectively more difficult to win than blizzcon.
It objectively isn't. What now? Hmmm...
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the earth is objectively round
it objectively isnt. what now? hmmm ..
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