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On May 04 2014 09:32 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2014 09:27 nerpderp wrote:On May 04 2014 09:13 BasetradeTV wrote:
You're a fool if you think anyone does anything "for free with no strings attached."
What are you talking about? How cynical do you have to be to say something like this? Plenty of people do things that they love or care about, no questions asked. And if you really cared about building the NA community, you'd have done the same. And frankly you'd also have gotten plenty of good will from the community for helping out the DETL, even on their channel. Complete nonsense. And I see you've conveniently ignored my previous post. Basically, you're saying you wanted Rifkin to stream on your channel and that he didn't want to and would rather stream on his own platform that he has worked hard to build up means that he doesn't care about building the NA community? I had respect for you before you made that, now you've lost all of it. Now all it seems like to me is that you are trying to find others to blame for your own failure.
Umm, ... I'm not affiliated with Deimos. I'm just a fan. Just to clarify.
I'm very sad that you've lost respect for me.
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On May 04 2014 09:33 nerpderp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2014 09:32 Crot4le wrote:On May 04 2014 09:27 nerpderp wrote:On May 04 2014 09:13 BasetradeTV wrote:
You're a fool if you think anyone does anything "for free with no strings attached."
What are you talking about? How cynical do you have to be to say something like this? Plenty of people do things that they love or care about, no questions asked. And if you really cared about building the NA community, you'd have done the same. And frankly you'd also have gotten plenty of good will from the community for helping out the DETL, even on their channel. Complete nonsense. And I see you've conveniently ignored my previous post. Basically, you're saying you wanted Rifkin to stream on your channel and that he didn't want to and would rather stream on his own platform that he has worked hard to build up means that he doesn't care about building the NA community? I had respect for you before you made that, now you've lost all of it. Now all it seems like to me is that you are trying to find others to blame for your own failure. I'm not affiliated with Deimos. I'm just a fan. Just to clarify. I'm very sad that you've lost respect for me.
Sorry, the way you were talking I thought you were involved somehow. By the way, have another at my post because I edited it to respond to the second part of your post that you edited in.
Also, I must stress that when I have lost respect for you I am talking about your position in this discussion, not you as an individual. I'm sure as an individual you're a wonderful person. 
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On May 04 2014 07:06 BasetradeTV wrote:If someone approaches you offering to help, should really take them up on it. (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/441939-deimos-esports-team-league-1500?page=3#54) I don't know many sponsors that want to get involved with something that gets 200~300 concurrent viewers, on a good day. I'm writing this, not with any sort of malice or spite to take a shot at you, but more so as a message for others who look to emulate what you tried with the DETL. You know what would have helped getting sponsorship involvement? Viewer Numbers. I've managed to lock down sponsorship involvement for the majority of my events in 2014, whether it's for an event one time only, or multiple ones over time (can see all past linked threads here or the upcoming one here). Hell, if the URTL was able to lock down CMStorm as a sponsor with what was 30~40 viewers per broadcast, I'm sure anyone can. I don't have a guide on how to do things, and I wish I had someone teach me these sorts of things prior to trying myself. The only way anyone gets good at this stuff is by trying & failing (trial & error), and it doesn't feel like you tried. -Rifkin Edit: because also this
having followed BaseTradeTV for a long, long time i can say this.
Rifkin may only be a Diamond League Terran player.. but he is a Grandmaster at building viewership numbers.
i'd STFU and listen to what he has to say.
Rifkin has gently and painstakingly massaged the BaseTradeTV brand into a recognizable, independent, grass roots source for competitive Starcraft.
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try and try until you die succeed...
sad to see someone's effort go to waste....
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On May 04 2014 09:13 BasetradeTV wrote:
You're a fool if you think anyone does anything "for free with no strings attached."
Sad but true, SC2 is a business, not a hobby. I've played mods for single player games that people have put thousands of hours into for no money simply because they enjoy the game and enjoy modding it.
If all the sponsors left SC2 and even a single content creator was left working for free because they enjoy the game, I'd be very surprised.
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What a shame. I caught a couple broadcasts, but overall I missed it. Where was the advertizing done? I'm one of the few people who sits on twitch 8 hours a day.
One pet peeve of mine is having less than Master league casters. It seems to me that you simply can't have lower league players casting GMs. But hey, qualified people with shit tons of free time aren't always available.
It sounds like you guys accomplished a lot with your team league. Best of luck in your future endeavors.
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On May 04 2014 12:16 riyanme wrote:
try and try until you die succeed...
sad to see someone's effort go to waste....
It wasn't a waste, the experiences were amazing, just didnt get as far as I wanted.
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On May 04 2014 12:38 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2014 09:13 BasetradeTV wrote:
You're a fool if you think anyone does anything "for free with no strings attached."
Sad but true, SC2 is a business, not a hobby. I've played mods for single player games that people have put thousands of hours into for no money simply because they enjoy the game and enjoy modding it. If all the sponsors left SC2 and even a single content creator was left working for free because they enjoy the game, I'd be very surprised.
Be surprised then. There are a good number of us already working and creating content without any sponsors or earning a dime, even via ad revenue because we want to.
Not to pick you out but I don't understand why, no matter how many times it gets said, nobody seems to let this idea sink in. The amount of time and effort most quality Starcraft/eSports content producers sink into learning how to create their content, making their content, and promoting it is enough to make a hell of a lot more money in another industry.
We do it because we enjoy it. This goes for most of the people who are making money in eSports and a lot of those who aren't.
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Anyways, I'm sorry I couldn't do my part in making the casting side of the broadcasts more enjoyable for people. I'm still working on my own casting skills and hope people will enjoy the broadcast more when I reach a reasonable place.
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Maybe drama was what it needed
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doh... sorry to hear guys
as feedback - i thought i follow things reasonably actively yet this is the first time i've heard of deimos
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On May 04 2014 05:04 Yorkie wrote:Fuckkk I was really looking forward to DETL season 2 . Best of luck to you, the management, and the players in everything you do in the future
me too. The top5 weeklys were awesome
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The posts, and caster posts especially, in this thread are pretty disgusting. The devolution of this forum overall is saddening.
Anyway, my 2c: From a player perspective Deimos managers were very nice and inclusive to me even when I was not sure what I wanted to do when I was actively playing the game. Moreover, their players were incredibly nice and overall this team must have had tons of great times together from what I could tell. It's sad to see another NA team go.
NA eSports continues to backtrack when things like this happen. If people cannot recognize how big of a deal things like this are then in a few years when all that's left is Liquid and EG you can stop for a few seconds and think why there are not any amazing amateur players coming up in the NA SC2 scene anymore. Though, you could be like a number of individuals in this thread and just write them off as a team who didn't try and had a "bad plan", hah.
Good luck in the future guys! Siphon I know you got contacted :p
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I don't blame Deimos, it seems they had good content and worked their asses off, the sad reality from an outsider looking in is that outside of big names and 'personalities' people seem to not want to watch the next generation of players coming through.
It's a problem across SC2 communities but less pronounced in EU for reasons I can't really figure out
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Sad loss to the scene but more proof that sc2 teams are unsustainable without players who win big name tournaments. Even then its a struggle.
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On May 04 2014 18:33 -Kyo- wrote:
NA eSports continues to backtrack when things like this happen. If people cannot recognize how big of a deal things like this are then in a few years when all that's left is Liquid and EG you can stop for a few seconds and think why there are not any amazing amateur players coming up in the NA SC2 scene anymore. Though, you could be like a number of individuals in this thread and just write them off as a team who didn't try and had a "bad plan", hah.
Again, this isn't writing them off as a team who didn't try and had a 'bad plan'. This is highlighting mistakes that were made so that the next upstart that comes along doesn't make the same mistake.
That way more new ventures can be successful and the NA scene can grow so we don't get left with just Liquid and EG.
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ITT: The reason most community personalities have stopped posting on Teamliquid.
Sorry to hear that Deimos is closing down but holy shit stop crucifying Rifkin for having the audacity to deliver some informed reality rather than wail and nash his teeth to no effect.
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On May 04 2014 18:33 -Kyo- wrote:
The posts, and caster posts especially, in this thread are pretty disgusting. The devolution of this forum overall is saddening.
Anyway, my 2c: From a player perspective Deimos managers were very nice and inclusive to me even when I was not sure what I wanted to do when I was actively playing the game. Moreover, their players were incredibly nice and overall this team must have had tons of great times together from what I could tell. It's sad to see another NA team go.
NA eSports continues to backtrack when things like this happen. If people cannot recognize how big of a deal things like this are then in a few years when all that's left is Liquid and EG you can stop for a few seconds and think why there are not any amazing amateur players coming up in the NA SC2 scene anymore. Though, you could be like a number of individuals in this thread and just write them off as a team who didn't try and had a "bad plan", hah.
Good luck in the future guys! Siphon I know you got contacted :p
You shit on constructive criticism then proceed to say you're saddened by the devolution of the forum? lol alright buddy.
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Deimos: Drama free until it closed  . As a casual viewer, I can tell you I have very, very little enthusiasm for watching unknown tournaments unless they're casted by interesting personalities. SC2 is just, fundamentally, not *that* interesting for me to devote my time to relatively unknown streams. Although its possible the games were really exciting in a way that korean progamers can't make it, but I'm skeptical that it would have been that high quality in comparison.
I really don't envision the NA scene growing, at least not for SC2. Whenever I see the breakout NA stream on, I notice the number of viewers: 3, sometimes 4.
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Sucks to hear about this news
In regards to the DETL, I was pretty surprised rifkins offer to help cast was denied, it seemed only beneficial to have him bring in more numbers for free as well as provide a better cast overall
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