EPTDeimos Disbanding. - Page 2
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ReachTheSky
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TechNoTrance
Canada1007 Posts
On May 04 2014 05:20 Yorkie wrote: I was always surprised at the low viewership for DETL, people just don't bother to try out new events that they haven't heard of, their loss as the production was awesome and the games were super fun. The weekly top 5 vids were reminiscent of the IPL vids and they were fantastic every time. You're the man TechNo Thanks man <3 Was always great to see you in the LR thread  | ||
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.kv
United States2332 Posts
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Zaraan
Canada3 Posts
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Tbatz
Canada105 Posts
On May 04 2014 05:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Sad to hear this ;( Will you be keeping a casual team at all and continue playing for fun or will you be disbanding completely? Deimos itself is disbanded, I have a casual community team that I made for mainly players in my city, and many others have joined, mainly diamond team, which I will continue to be a part of. Other than that, Im not sure if I will stay in esports. | ||
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nerpderp
United States780 Posts
On May 04 2014 05:26 Waise wrote: for my part it never seemed to be on at times that were good for me to watch, wasn't sure where to find vods, didn't hear a lot about it in general and the casters weren't my cup of tea. i was interested in watching it from when i first heard about it, but i don't really have the kind of life where i just sit around all day looking for starcraft content, so if there's not a lot of buzz then it's likely just not going to enter my consciousness too often. not sure if anyone had similar experiences The DETL had the burden of having to shift its schedule around several times because it conflicted with other events. It eventually had to settle on Friday and Sunday, which are not optimal times for a Starcraft broadcast, in addition to people/fans simply forgetting about it because of the scheduling changes. I also think their attempt to not conflict with other broadcasts ironically might have backfired. They might have been better off intentionally scheduling it at the same time as another big event, since they probably could have gotten more exposure that way than relegating it to a more obscure time. Re: casters, if I were to offer one constructive criticism on the production, it was that the casters oftentimes appeared too casual, like they were broadcasting an arcade night rather than a competitive league. And regarding the zero support from the NA scene for a Season 2 -- as someone who closely followed the DETL, I wasn't even aware that they were trying to crowdsource a Season 2. I didn't see any reddit threads or tweets on that matter. I'm sure there was enough goodwill in the NA community for at least some support (maybe not $5k, but I think another $1.5K prize pool would have been doable). I don't mean to sound too critical -- I watched most of the DETL and had a great time doing so, and the effort by the entire crew was valiant. I think there's definitely a place in the SC2 scene for a team like Deimos, and I sincerely hope that they and the DETL can come back in the future. | ||
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Aiomon
Canada39 Posts
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Rhodesian
Zimbabwe6 Posts
I'm only a member of the community team which is still going really strong. By far the best casual clan I've ever been a part of Gotta ask is the Deimos pro team going to remain together at least informally? By this I mean I understand that you won't be financially backing the team anymore, but will you guys still keep your clan tag, and clan together at least informally in game? | ||
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TechNoTrance
Canada1007 Posts
And regarding the zero support from the NA scene for a Season 2 -- as someone who closely followed the DETL, I wasn't even aware that they were soliciting funds for a Season 2. I didn't see any reddit threads or tweets on that matter. I'm sure they had generated enough good will from the community for at least some support (maybe not $5k, but I think another $1.5K prize pool would have been doable). I don't mean to sound too critical -- I watched most of the DETL and had a great time doing so, and the effort by the entire crew was valiant. I think there's definitely a place in the SC2 scene for a team like Deimos, and I sincerely hope that they and the DETL can come back in the future. We were never actively asking for donation, nor did we want to. I myself didn't expect any either. Just a donation thing under the stream that people usually never look at anyways. Crowdfunding for a team is a really bad business model and not a healthy way to keep a team alive. We wanted to make a sustainable team and league, but fell short of that. Thanks for the honesty and the kind words. | ||
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RuFF_SC2
United States203 Posts
Hope to see your guys still laddering. @Community: For those who care about SC2, I would hope that you all would check out any featured streams on TL regardless of who is casting or playing. If you notice a premier team or a major team in the NA scene playing, please give them your support. You can find some pretty innovative stuff. So lets support alright? | ||
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nerpderp
United States780 Posts
On May 04 2014 06:09 TechNoTrance wrote: Crowdfunding for a team is a really bad business model and not a healthy way to keep a team alive. We wanted to make a sustainable team and league, but fell short of that. Thanks for the honesty and the kind words. You're right, it's not. But as we can see, with limited sponsorships available, the alternative unfortunately gets us to exactly where we are right now.  | ||
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DinosaurJones
United States1000 Posts
Good luck to you and all of the players! | ||
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Androxide
Canada340 Posts
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
EDIT: And for those of you who here on this forum are interested in doing something proactive to make North American Starcraft succeed, start by watching this tournament and supporting the hell out of the guy who's running it, because he is doing more to bring up the NA scene than almost anyone. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/449573-the-breakout-invitational-2-north-america | ||
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kochanfe
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BasetradeTV
Canada1307 Posts
Unfortunately, we had very little support from the NA scene to do this If someone approaches you offering to help, should really take them up on it. (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/441939-deimos-esports-team-league-1500?page=3#54) I don't know many sponsors that want to get involved with something that gets 200~300 concurrent viewers, on a good day. 0 donations, and 0 sponsorship backup I'm writing this, not with any sort of malice or spite to take a shot at you, but more so as a message for others who look to emulate what you tried with the DETL. You know what would have helped getting sponsorship involvement? Viewer Numbers. I've managed to lock down sponsorship involvement for the majority of my events in 2014, whether it's for an event one time only, or multiple ones over time (can see all past linked threads here or the upcoming one here). Hell, if the URTL was able to lock down CMStorm as a sponsor with what was 30~40 viewers per broadcast, I'm sure anyone can. I don't have a guide on how to do things, and I wish I had someone teach me these sorts of things prior to trying myself. The only way anyone gets good at this stuff is by trying & failing (trial & error), and it doesn't feel like you tried. -Rifkin Edit: because also this On May 04 2014 06:48 Circumstance wrote: EDIT: And for those of you who here on this forum are interested in doing something proactive to make North American Starcraft succeed, start by watching this tournament and supporting the hell out of the guy who's running it, because he is doing more to bring up the NA scene than almost anyone. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/449573-the-breakout-invitational-2-north-america | ||
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
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nkr
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TechNoTrance
Canada1007 Posts
If someone approaches you offering to help, should really take them up on it. (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/441939-deimos-esports-team-league-1500?page=3#54) I don't know many sponsors that want to get involved with something that gets 200~300 concurrent viewers, on a good day. We asked you before the league took off if you were interested in casting for us, and you refused unless it was on your channel. Both of us were trying to build our brands, yours obviously more established. Despite letting you know our goals you try to open business publicly again, and I find that a tad shady and disrespectful. I also wasn't a huge fan of the way you were exposing teams you worked with. I remember a LYGF event where you assured people the event "literally wasn't a scam" in your words. Despite my disagreements with how you did some things, I respect your hard work and how you've built basetrade tv. Maybe I made a mistake and should have handed the stream over to you. I don't know. I have my doubts though that the name Basetradetv up on the featured list would have given us a thousand viewers a night. But who knows it may have. Hell, if the URTL was able to lock down CMStorm as a sponsor with what was 30~40 viewers per broadcast, I'm sure anyone can. You just said earlier that a sponsor wouldn't be interested in 2-300 viewers a night. Being a bit contradictory here. I worked really hard and contacted countless companies to look for some backing for a season 2. We had big plans for improvements, and had a few really popular casters interested in joining for a season 2. For you to say we didn't try is just ignorant. Maybe it's hard these days to get sponsors to notice and take a newer team seriously. Maybe I made poor decisions that doomed us to fail, and lacked marketability. I don't know for sure. But I did what I though was right, and all of us did the best job we could with it. Your post really means nothing to me besides "I told you so, that's what you get for not working with me". | ||
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nerpderp
United States780 Posts
Rifkin -- if you really wanted to help the team, I don't understand why you wouldn't agree to guest cast on their channel. It's important for Deimos, in getting additional sponsors for season 2, to show that their specific channel can generate viewership, not BasetradeTV. I will say that, despite being unsustainable in the long run, crowdsourcing can be an effective tool for getting something off the ground. If a DETL season 2 could have been crowdsourced, and your production plans came into fruition, then the increased viewer numbers could have been enough to secure future sponsorship. Not giving up hope for the future, though. | ||
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