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France9034 Posts
On April 08 2014 22:12 TitusVI wrote:
I wonder who is the guy who makes the decisions about region lock etc.
He should maybe look around how other esports handle it and maybe get an idea of what goes wrong.
Well he's made the Ro8 of WCS AM something people outside of America will actually watch :/
And I'm sure many Americans aren't really appealed by the thought of watching bad players (no offense, this region is known for its lack of good players, with the exception of a really small number).
So you can disagree, but the Ro8 and onward definitely look interesting to watch.
I wouldn't have even considered a full American Ro8, maybe the finals if there was a decent opponent against Scarlett.
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On April 08 2014 20:26 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 20:25 gold_ wrote:
Viewer base will continue to drop due to no home town heros to cheer for. I am not bashing the koreans at all, but WCS America should've been at least people LIVING in any part of the Americas only. I personally have stopped watching, Koreans have their own WCS FFS. Polt
1/8 then that actually live in the Americas? :/
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On April 08 2014 23:03 lamprey1 wrote:
Blizzard's attempt to create a "local scene" for "the Americas" has failed miserably.
these Korean players are not moving to Chicago, New York, Miami and Toronto in order to spread the gospel of SC2.
well except for Polt.
but , i do not think Blizzard's WCS structure did any thing at all to really influence Polt.
To create a "local scene" we need national champions who then meet in an Olympic style format... a small positive example of this was Scarlett in WCS 2012.
If it was as simple as you say, then why wouldn't Blizzard just do that? Because no one would watch an all american tournament. Not specifically because they are American, but because there simply aren't 32 good players. This season had 9 NA players. That's nice, and those players got some exposure, the best of them even got to the Ro16.
But could you imagine filling the remaining 23 spots with even worse American players? Now, THAT would be a very dumb decision. Tbh keeping it as it is, would be a lot better for WCS than anything I've seen proposed in this thread.
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On April 08 2014 23:23 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 23:03 lamprey1 wrote:
Blizzard's attempt to create a "local scene" for "the Americas" has failed miserably.
these Korean players are not moving to Chicago, New York, Miami and Toronto in order to spread the gospel of SC2.
well except for Polt.
but , i do not think Blizzard's WCS structure did any thing at all to really influence Polt.
To create a "local scene" we need national champions who then meet in an Olympic style format... a small positive example of this was Scarlett in WCS 2012. If it was as simple as you say, then why wouldn't Blizzard just do that? Because no one would watch an all american tournament. Not specifically because they are American, but because there simply aren't 32 good players. This season had 9 NA players. That's nice, and those players got some exposure, the best of them even got to the Ro16. But could you imagine filling the remaining 23 spots with even worse American players? Now, THAT would be a very dumb decision. Tbh keeping it as it is, would be a lot better for WCS than anything I've seen proposed in this thread.
"the Americas" is such a large geographical area its extremely difficult for any kind of high level tourney like this to impact at the grassroots level of all the different subcultures through out north and south america... ( and the other countries they've arbitrarily dumped into `the americas`)
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The only reason I dislike the regional separation, is because horrible players like OZ and Revival are able to get to the quarter finals when they are mediocre ladder players at best.
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I really don't get all the people being enraged by this situation.
PC gaming is almost nonexistent in USA.
Since PS 3/Xbox 360 gen, there isn't a market for professional PC gaming in the US.
In reality the only game that was popular enough in America to support a professional scene was Counter strike.
Since the "collapse" of CPL, PC gaming in the US is dead.
Americans were never truly "competitive" in any aspect of PC gaming.
I think people here need to wake up.
Console gaming is dominant in the US and that will never change.
 espite PC gaming being much ahead of the consoles in graphics/abilities, more and more Americans have switched to consoles for their gaming with every generation
Honestly, there shouldn't even be an event that is aimed towards US growth in PC market.
It is a fool's errand, and if you are socially conscience enough you wouldn't be so out of your element Donny. * cough playa
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On April 08 2014 23:55 SoFrOsTy wrote:
The only reason I dislike the regional separation, is because horrible players like OZ and Revival are able to get to the quarter finals when they are mediocre ladder players at best.
Oz and Revival are mediocre ladder players? OO
The two people who took 1st and 2nd at IEM Shanghai not too long ago? You must have really high standards for what constitutes better than 'mediocre'.
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As someone who only wants to see the best players play, I have to say that this tournament still isn't strong enough for me to tune in for GF; maybe there's something to that americans-only argument after all, or not, whatever.
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On April 09 2014 00:08 jakethesnake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 23:55 SoFrOsTy wrote:
The only reason I dislike the regional separation, is because horrible players like OZ and Revival are able to get to the quarter finals when they are mediocre ladder players at best. Oz and Revival are mediocre ladder players? OO The two people who took 1st and 2nd at IEM Shanghai not too long ago? You must have really high standards for what constitutes better than 'mediocre'.
By his definition, there were two foreigners who weren't mediocre laddeer players.
And even those two are arguably worse than Oz and Revival.
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On April 08 2014 23:17 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 22:12 TitusVI wrote:
I wonder who is the guy who makes the decisions about region lock etc.
He should maybe look around how other esports handle it and maybe get an idea of what goes wrong. Well he's made the Ro8 of WCS AM something people outside of America will actually watch :/
He should invite the most popular players, imagine how many people would watch that.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On April 08 2014 23:21 gold_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 20:26 NarutO wrote:On April 08 2014 20:25 gold_ wrote:
Viewer base will continue to drop due to no home town heros to cheer for. I am not bashing the koreans at all, but WCS America should've been at least people LIVING in any part of the Americas only. I personally have stopped watching, Koreans have their own WCS FFS. Polt 1/8 then that actually live in the Americas? :/
You're right, fuck the Chinese and Oceanic players that don't have a region of their own!
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On April 09 2014 01:17 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 23:21 gold_ wrote:On April 08 2014 20:26 NarutO wrote:On April 08 2014 20:25 gold_ wrote:
Viewer base will continue to drop due to no home town heros to cheer for. I am not bashing the koreans at all, but WCS America should've been at least people LIVING in any part of the Americas only. I personally have stopped watching, Koreans have their own WCS FFS. Polt 1/8 then that actually live in the Americas? :/ You're right, fuck the Chinese and Oceanic players that don't have a region of their own!
Well, the remaining 7 players live in korea right? So I'm not sure what your point is :s
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On April 09 2014 01:22 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 01:17 Zealously wrote:On April 08 2014 23:21 gold_ wrote:On April 08 2014 20:26 NarutO wrote:On April 08 2014 20:25 gold_ wrote:
Viewer base will continue to drop due to no home town heros to cheer for. I am not bashing the koreans at all, but WCS America should've been at least people LIVING in any part of the Americas only. I personally have stopped watching, Koreans have their own WCS FFS. Polt 1/8 then that actually live in the Americas? :/ You're right, fuck the Chinese and Oceanic players that don't have a region of their own! Well, the remaining 7 players live in korea right? So I'm not sure what your point is :s
gold's posts seemed to indicate that non-American players in WCS America is terrible by nature, I responded to that notion. I may have misinterpreted, in which case nevermind.
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On April 09 2014 01:17 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 23:21 gold_ wrote:On April 08 2014 20:26 NarutO wrote:On April 08 2014 20:25 gold_ wrote:
Viewer base will continue to drop due to no home town heros to cheer for. I am not bashing the koreans at all, but WCS America should've been at least people LIVING in any part of the Americas only. I personally have stopped watching, Koreans have their own WCS FFS. Polt 1/8 then that actually live in the Americas? :/ You're right, fuck the Chinese and Oceanic players that don't have a region of their own!
YEAH! Exactly! They took their jobs!
On a more serious note. Blizzard locked regions pretty hard I think. Now the conditions are fine(IMO) and all the "NA" players has to do is to win above all the Koreans. They are not able? Sad story, bro. Maybe time to get some advice from JD how to get better and train super hard. If Korean players are able to do this OUTSIDE of Korea, then foreigners should be able to do this as well... My POF 
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On April 08 2014 23:21 gold_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 20:26 NarutO wrote:On April 08 2014 20:25 gold_ wrote:
Viewer base will continue to drop due to no home town heros to cheer for. I am not bashing the koreans at all, but WCS America should've been at least people LIVING in any part of the Americas only. I personally have stopped watching, Koreans have their own WCS FFS. Polt 1/8 then that actually live in the Americas? :/
Noone would watch if WCS NA was actually NA only. Except Totalbiscuit
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On April 08 2014 20:25 gold_ wrote:
Viewer base will continue to drop due to no home town heros to cheer for. I am not bashing the koreans at all, but WCS America should've been at least people LIVING in any part of the Americas only. I personally have stopped watching, Koreans have their own WCS FFS.
Desrow 3-1'd Apocalypse in a convincing series that included a win on Daedalus (when everyone thought the map was impossible for Protoss); Has did an epic cannon rush to knock Jaedong to 4th in his group; Puck played amazing and was one bad decision away from being the first American in the ro8.
If you'd actually watch the games, then you'd realize WCS isn't as horrible as you originally thought. There's been plenty of "foreign hope" moments, but if all you do is look up results/wiki then that's on you for missing them.
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On April 09 2014 01:08 Broodwurst wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 23:17 Ragnarork wrote:On April 08 2014 22:12 TitusVI wrote:
I wonder who is the guy who makes the decisions about region lock etc.
He should maybe look around how other esports handle it and maybe get an idea of what goes wrong. Well he's made the Ro8 of WCS AM something people outside of America will actually watch :/ He should invite the most popular players, imagine how many people would watch that.
What kind of viewership numbers did the Enders Game on Blu-ray tournament draw?
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There's this thing called Athlete Visa granted by the U.S. government.
Is that American enough for you?
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On April 08 2014 20:25 gold_ wrote:
Viewer base will continue to drop due to no home town heros to cheer for. I am not bashing the koreans at all, but WCS America should've been at least people LIVING in any part of the Americas only. I personally have stopped watching, Koreans have their own WCS FFS.
While I do think that the NA region consistently complaining about this kind of tiresome (just work harder if you want to win), I also can see an issue with how WCS NA really is more of a Global Region than an actual North American scene tournament. Aside from the normal qualifier, they had FOUR different specialized qualifiers for players that North American players couldn't participate in. That is kind of bullshitty...
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