however, another reason why open play in WCS is stupid--especially for countries that dont have the best of ties with the US as far as immigration goes.
On July 26 2013 02:21 Azarkon wrote: Sucks about the visa but... This exact scearnio is the manager's fault. Knowing how difficult it is to get visas for the US from China, taking the risk of being DQ'd from IEM for it is a bad decision. It's Edison trying to have his cake and eat it too. For another person in another circumstance, that's a valid risk to take. But for Jim, a 17 year old Chinese player, it is not.
Now he has neither.
Hindsight is 20/20. You are suggesting iG to forfeit their possibility of going to US for Ro16. While they didn't work out, the chance of they get visa is still better than 50/50 (they did come for MLG without issue). Also, they would have to make the decision before knowing how they will do in IEM, perhaps even what IEM schedule would be like, as I'm sure US embassy just LOVE it when you schedule an appointment and not show up.
On July 25 2013 20:49 ragz_gt wrote: Usually the only thing that helps is get a letter or phone call from a congressman / senate. Is there any esports loving ones anyone can think of?
Don't worry. Obamatoss has already called obama to plead jim's case!
On July 26 2013 02:21 Azarkon wrote: Sucks about the visa but... This exact scearnio is the manager's fault. Knowing how difficult it is to get visas for the US from China, taking the risk of being DQ'd from IEM for it is a bad decision. It's Edison trying to have his cake and eat it too. For another person in another circumstance, that's a valid risk to take. But for Jim, a 17 year old Chinese player, it is not.
Now he has neither.
Hindsight is 20/20. You are suggesting iG to forfeit their possibility of going to US for Ro16. While they didn't work out, the chance of they get visa is still better than 50/50 (they did come for MLG without issue). Also, they would have to make the decision before knowing how they will do in IEM, perhaps even what IEM schedule would be like, as I'm sure US embassy just LOVE it when you schedule an appointment and not show up.
Edison should have sheduled Jim to go to embassy on 24th and MacSed on 25th. Since those were the two available dates. Each visa case is reviewed independently so there should be no problem with the guys going at different dates. Just more work for Edison.
On July 26 2013 02:33 dabom88 wrote: Wasn't there just a ruling that LoL players count as Athletes? Can't this be applied to SC2 as well?
Aparently LoL is sport, sc2 isnt (according to US government)
On July 26 2013 01:12 jinorazi wrote: I bet riot has a huge grin
Uh huh.
I love that no matter what happens, its always turns into "I bet this other game is laughing now". Like the NFL is laughing at all the MLB stars being dragged in for drug use.
no, its because riot took care of visa issues, they saw things like this coming. nothing to do with game vs game, i guess i should have made it clear but i assumed many knew of that esports athlete thing already.
Both Plansix and I made several comments in that thread. Your comment was cheap and baseless. Why? Because you make it look like it's us versus them. You say it has nothing to do with game versus game yet you just took it there.
On July 26 2013 01:12 jinorazi wrote: I bet riot has a huge grin
Uh huh.
I love that no matter what happens, its always turns into "I bet this other game is laughing now". Like the NFL is laughing at all the MLB stars being dragged in for drug use.
no, its because riot took care of visa issues, they saw things like this coming. nothing to do with game vs game, i guess i should have made it clear but i assumed many knew of that esports athlete thing already.
Its easier to do that when the players in your league are employees(aka, you pay them money). It much harder to do that when your request is
"Can you approve visas for the random people who qualify for our events? We dont' pay them or anything, they just qualify and we would like them to attend. By the way, we don't really run the events, other people we employ do. Also, we can't confirm who the people are that qualify or provide any documents or information on who they are. The only thing we can confirm is that they are really good at our game.
Thanks Blizzard We are big on the internet, trust us"
Getting a working visa is not a bit easier. See my posts above.
I know its not easier, but its POSSIBLE. Blizzard can't ask them for work visa, since they don't employee the players. They would need to work with the US government to fit the players into a current visa system or create a new one, which may not work.
On July 26 2013 02:21 Azarkon wrote: Sucks about the visa but... This exact scearnio is the manager's fault. Knowing how difficult it is to get visas for the US from China, taking the risk of being DQ'd from IEM for it is a bad decision. It's Edison trying to have his cake and eat it too. For another person in another circumstance, that's a valid risk to take. But for Jim, a 17 year old Chinese player, it is not.
Now he has neither.
Hindsight is 20/20. You are suggesting iG to forfeit their possibility of going to US for Ro16. While they didn't work out, the chance of they get visa is still better than 50/50 (they did come for MLG without issue). Also, they would have to make the decision before knowing how they will do in IEM, perhaps even what IEM schedule would be like, as I'm sure US embassy just LOVE it when you schedule an appointment and not show up.
Edison should have sheduled Jim to go to embassy on 24th and MacSed on 25th. Since those were the two available dates. Each visa case is reviewed independently so there should be no problem with the guys going at different dates. Just more work for Edison.
Don't forget the 2 dates were the case when they 2 filed as same case, so who knows what date they would get if filed separately, it could be more disastrous. As MacSed play today, so if they give Jim 24th and 25th, but MacSed 24th 26th to choose from, they'd be in the same situation.
Also, two trips = more things could potential go wrong. If they filed separately, and Jim got through but MacSed didn't, everyone would be like "OMG Edison is such a moron why didn't he do them both at same time", which, coincidentally, was exactly what they said last time.
On July 26 2013 01:12 jinorazi wrote: I bet riot has a huge grin
Uh huh.
I love that no matter what happens, its always turns into "I bet this other game is laughing now". Like the NFL is laughing at all the MLB stars being dragged in for drug use.
no, its because riot took care of visa issues, they saw things like this coming. nothing to do with game vs game, i guess i should have made it clear but i assumed many knew of that esports athlete thing already.
Both Plansix and I made several comments in that thread. Your comment was cheap and baseless. Why? Because you make it look like it's us versus them. You say it has nothing to do with game versus game yet you just took it there.
...it was a joke T.T
WHY AM I BEING RIDICULED!!! (<-- thats a joke too, empty words just to poke fun)
On July 26 2013 00:59 desRow wrote: I tried to look for his fanclub here on TL but he doesn't have one Where can we show our support for Jim and cheer him up? T.QQ?
On July 26 2013 01:12 jinorazi wrote: I bet riot has a huge grin
Uh huh.
I love that no matter what happens, its always turns into "I bet this other game is laughing now". Like the NFL is laughing at all the MLB stars being dragged in for drug use.
no, its because riot took care of visa issues, they saw things like this coming. nothing to do with game vs game, i guess i should have made it clear but i assumed many knew of that esports athlete thing already.
Both Plansix and I made several comments in that thread. Your comment was cheap and baseless. Why? Because you make it look like it's us versus them. You say it has nothing to do with game versus game yet you just took it there.
...it was a joke T.T
WHY AM I BEING RIDICULED!!! (<-- thats a joke too)
I realize it can be a joke but you have to realize it's very easy to take it the wrong way even with context.
On July 26 2013 01:12 jinorazi wrote: I bet riot has a huge grin
Uh huh.
I love that no matter what happens, its always turns into "I bet this other game is laughing now". Like the NFL is laughing at all the MLB stars being dragged in for drug use.
no, its because riot took care of visa issues, they saw things like this coming. nothing to do with game vs game, i guess i should have made it clear but i assumed many knew of that esports athlete thing already.
Both Plansix and I made several comments in that thread. Your comment was cheap and baseless. Why? Because you make it look like it's us versus them. You say it has nothing to do with game versus game yet you just took it there.
...it was a joke T.T
WHY AM I BEING RIDICULED!!! (<-- thats a joke too)
I realize it can be a joke but you have to realize it's very easy to take it the wrong way even with context.
On July 26 2013 01:12 jinorazi wrote: I bet riot has a huge grin
Uh huh.
I love that no matter what happens, its always turns into "I bet this other game is laughing now". Like the NFL is laughing at all the MLB stars being dragged in for drug use.
no, its because riot took care of visa issues, they saw things like this coming. nothing to do with game vs game, i guess i should have made it clear but i assumed many knew of that esports athlete thing already.
Its easier to do that when the players in your league are employees(aka, you pay them money). It much harder to do that when your request is
"Can you approve visas for the random people who qualify for our events? We dont' pay them or anything, they just qualify and we would like them to attend. By the way, we don't really run the events, other people we employ do. Also, we can't confirm who the people are that qualify or provide any documents or information on who they are. The only thing we can confirm is that they are really good at our game.
Thanks Blizzard We are big on the internet, trust us"
Getting a working visa is not a bit easier. See my posts above.
I know its not easier, but its POSSIBLE. Blizzard can't ask them for work visa, since they don't employee the players. They would need to work with the US government to fit the players into a current visa system or create a new one, which may not work.
What I m saying is that you need several month to get a work visa while it doesnt take that long to get a tourist/ visiting visa. Thats why in my eyes working visa wouldnt make sense even if they were employed.
On July 26 2013 01:12 jinorazi wrote: I bet riot has a huge grin
Uh huh.
I love that no matter what happens, its always turns into "I bet this other game is laughing now". Like the NFL is laughing at all the MLB stars being dragged in for drug use.
no, its because riot took care of visa issues, they saw things like this coming. nothing to do with game vs game, i guess i should have made it clear but i assumed many knew of that esports athlete thing already.
Its easier to do that when the players in your league are employees(aka, you pay them money). It much harder to do that when your request is
"Can you approve visas for the random people who qualify for our events? We dont' pay them or anything, they just qualify and we would like them to attend. By the way, we don't really run the events, other people we employ do. Also, we can't confirm who the people are that qualify or provide any documents or information on who they are. The only thing we can confirm is that they are really good at our game.
Thanks Blizzard We are big on the internet, trust us"
Getting a working visa is not a bit easier. See my posts above.
I know its not easier, but its POSSIBLE. Blizzard can't ask them for work visa, since they don't employee the players. They would need to work with the US government to fit the players into a current visa system or create a new one, which may not work.
What I m saying is that you need several month to get a work visa while it doesnt take that long to get a tourist/ visiting visa. Thats why in my eyes working visa wouldnt make sense even if they were employed.
I am addressing the dumb comments where people are saying "Riot did this, why can't Blizzard. Such a joke, disgusting." Of couse, these are the same people who don't even understand what a visa is or that there is more than one type.
Well if Jim and Macsed cant make it shouldnt they at least replace them? 3 player brackets suck, and HerO and Suppy are fan favorites and had the best map scores out of all the players that didnt get into the ro16
On July 26 2013 01:12 jinorazi wrote: I bet riot has a huge grin
Uh huh.
I love that no matter what happens, its always turns into "I bet this other game is laughing now". Like the NFL is laughing at all the MLB stars being dragged in for drug use.
no, its because riot took care of visa issues, they saw things like this coming. nothing to do with game vs game, i guess i should have made it clear but i assumed many knew of that esports athlete thing already.
Its easier to do that when the players in your league are employees(aka, you pay them money). It much harder to do that when your request is
"Can you approve visas for the random people who qualify for our events? We dont' pay them or anything, they just qualify and we would like them to attend. By the way, we don't really run the events, other people we employ do. Also, we can't confirm who the people are that qualify or provide any documents or information on who they are. The only thing we can confirm is that they are really good at our game.
Thanks Blizzard We are big on the internet, trust us"
Getting a working visa is not a bit easier. See my posts above.
I know its not easier, but its POSSIBLE. Blizzard can't ask them for work visa, since they don't employee the players. They would need to work with the US government to fit the players into a current visa system or create a new one, which may not work.
What I m saying is that you need several month to get a work visa while it doesnt take that long to get a tourist/ visiting visa. Thats why in my eyes working visa wouldnt make sense even if they were employed.
I am addressing the dumb comments where people are saying "Riot did this, why can't Blizzard. Such a joke, disgusting." Of couse, these are the same people who don't even understand what a visa is or that there is more than one type.
Okay, sounds reasonable. You may continue with your noble quest.
On July 26 2013 02:54 ShadowBrood wrote: Well if Jim and Macsed cant make it shouldnt they at least replace them? 3 player brackets suck, and HerO and Suppy are fan favorites and had the best map scores out of all the players that didnt get into the ro16
I think it would be pretty unfair to give them a second chance with the number of WCS points on the line. It may suck to have 3 person groups but it's still more fair
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