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I love that no matter what happens, its always turns into "I bet this other game is laughing now". Like the NFL is laughing at all the MLB stars being dragged in for drug use.
iG.Jim disqualified from IEM - Jim and MacSed possibly fai…
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
I love that no matter what happens, its always turns into "I bet this other game is laughing now". Like the NFL is laughing at all the MLB stars being dragged in for drug use. | ||
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
this is a byproduct of politics. these guys would need a whole half year to prepare for the visa and argue about it. The us embassy in shanghai is also exceptionally shitty they have you wait in line outside lol | ||
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
I know personally that if I was in the same position I would have made sure I crossed all my t's and dotted all my i's when I decided to take part in a tournament that would require me to go to another country if I did well. I don't know the whole situation, and I mean no disrespect, but I do think that there being so many other cases with players getting visas to get to the US working without an issue that something had to have been done incorrectly or not at all long enough in advance. As for the IEM thing, didn't they have the WB final take place last to give him as much time as possible to get to that match? I think that allowing him to play the LB final but not requiring that he play the WB final as well would be an unfair decision placed upon the LB finalist for the extenuating circumstances. Who's to say Jim wouldn't have beaten Daisy and MC also would have beaten Daisy the second time around? Too many factors. Everything else about the postponing of matches etc. was out of the tournament's control (closing venue, Jim's visa issues) so I see nothing at all wrong with how they handled this. It's unfortunate, and I don't want to lose out on games that I'd like to see, but I don't fault the tournament in the least here. | ||
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
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edgeOut
United States945 Posts
On July 26 2013 01:23 Noobity wrote: I might be the only one with this thought process, but couldn't they have scheduled the meeting long before it was known that he was going to qualify? I know the visa system is crap in most cases, but I find it hard to believe that there are constantly Koreans able to come to America to take part in tournaments without any issues and yet these guys who get denied have done everything they need to do according to the word of the officials who handle these things. I know personally that if I was in the same position I would have made sure I crossed all my t's and dotted all my i's when I decided to take part in a tournament that would require me to go to another country if I did well. I don't know the whole situation, and I mean no disrespect, but I do think that there being so many other cases with players getting visas to get to the US working without an issue that something had to have been done incorrectly or not at all long enough in advance. As for the IEM thing, didn't they have the WB final take place last to give him as much time as possible to get to that match? I think that allowing him to play the LB final but not requiring that he play the WB final as well would be an unfair decision placed upon the LB finalist for the extenuating circumstances. Who's to say Jim wouldn't have beaten Daisy and MC also would have beaten Daisy the second time around? Too many factors. Everything else about the postponing of matches etc. was out of the tournament's control (closing venue, Jim's visa issues) so I see nothing at all wrong with how they handled this. It's unfortunate, and I don't want to lose out on games that I'd like to see, but I don't fault the tournament in the least here. For US, Korean is basically another state. However, China is the front line enemy, can't equal these two. Even Iranian can get Visa to US easier than Chinese. Without certain document, you can't even schedule the interview, let alone pass it. Once you get the proper document from inviting company, you probably have only couple days to choose from in such a short period. Interview process are totally subjective, interview officer don't need to give you reason to reject you. And interview fee can't be ignored, couple hundred dollars per person probably. It's a grueling process, I went through it many years ago at the very same office in Shanghai. | ||
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ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
I don't know if the decision (to DQ) is irreversible, but if not, I sincerely hope the IEM admins can find some alternative. Those Chinese guys get screwed enough as it is and this is their "hometown". =( | ||
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Echo Six
United States30 Posts
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monk
United States8477 Posts
On July 26 2013 00:59 desRow wrote: I tried to look for his fanclub here on TL but he doesn't have one  Where can we show our support for Jim and cheer him up? T.QQ?Jim fan club | ||
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ki11z0ne
United States427 Posts
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havok55
United States276 Posts
It should be the teams themselves to push for getting SC2 recognized as an sport. They are the ones in the business of esports, not Blizzard. It would probably be a lot easier if teams were organized like Kespa (but without being overly tyrannical). Oh and we should totally pitchfork IEM until they Un-disquialify Jim. It's the right thing for them to do, so I dont feel bad about raising some pitchforks. I don't see the issue here. No one is crying foul and saying these players shouldn't get to play. People want to see them play, and I'm sure IEM doesnt want to be known for screwing Chinese players on Chinese soil. | ||
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FuRRie
Belgium815 Posts
Should make a lot of things a lot easier. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On July 26 2013 01:18 Plansix wrote: I love that no matter what happens, its always turns into "I bet this other game is laughing now". Like the NFL is laughing at all the MLB stars being dragged in for drug use. no, its because riot took care of visa issues, they saw things like this coming. nothing to do with game vs game, i guess i should have made it clear but i assumed many knew of that esports athlete thing already. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Now he has neither. | ||
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HomeWorld
Romania903 Posts
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 26 2013 02:20 jinorazi wrote: no, its because riot took care of visa issues, they saw things like this coming. nothing to do with game vs game, i guess i should have made it clear but i assumed many knew of that esports athlete thing already. Its easier to do that when the players in your league are employees(aka, you pay them money). It much harder to do that when your request is "Can you approve visas for the random people who qualify for our events? We dont' pay them or anything, they just qualify and we would like them to attend. By the way, we don't really run the events, other people we employ do. Also, we can't confirm who the people are that qualify or provide any documents or information on who they are. The only thing we can confirm is that they are really good at our game. Thanks Blizzard We are big on the internet, trust us" | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On July 26 2013 02:25 Plansix wrote: Its easier to do that when the players in your league are employees(aka, you pay them money). It much harder to do that when your request is "Can you approve visas for the random people who qualify for our events? We dont' pay them or anything, they just qualify and we would like them to attend. By the way, we don't really run the events, other people we employ do. Also, we can't confirm who the people are that qualify or provide any documents or information on who they are. The only thing we can confirm is that they are really good at our game. Thanks Blizzard We are big on the internet, trust us" Getting a working visa is not a bit easier. See my posts above. | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On July 26 2013 01:42 ssxsilver wrote: This really deflates IEM Shanghai for me. Not that I'm angry with IEM or anything, it's just that there's something insanely interesting about this "unknown" making a splash on the scene. It reminds me so much of Scarlett's rise. I don't know if the decision (to DQ) is irreversible, but if not, I sincerely hope the IEM admins can find some alternative. Those Chinese guys get screwed enough as it is and this is their "hometown". =( I smell Jim playing in the FFA | ||
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