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Wow.
What a horrible day for Jim. Disqualified because he had to work on visa, then doesn`t get the visa.
He would have deserved a big tournament appearence and now lost out on two.
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On July 25 2013 22:09 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 22:06 Lazzi wrote:
This kind of stuff makes me happy to be swiss... It really sucks for both of them. Yeah We all know of Switzerland and their love for foreigners  On topic, I read moving WCS NA to canada, would be the smartest decision ever!
Absolutely.
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Missing two tournaments because of visa bullshit, that's damn harsh.
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On July 25 2013 23:00 Enders116 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 22:58 edgeOut wrote:On July 25 2013 22:55 Voyage wrote:On July 25 2013 22:50 Gekk02 wrote:
On topic, is there any possibility left to get an visa on time or is there only one chance you can get? For US Visas you got the possibility to appeal, but since it was chinese administration which denied the visa apparently (at least how I understand this thread), it is not gonna be that easy. I am really wondering how E-Sport teams like iG do not have success with applying for visas. Other "athletes" (plus trainers etc.) from china travel the world. To be simple, other "athletes" have money, e-sports kids don't, much higher chance to be denied. Jim comes from an extremely wealthy family that doesn't need him to take care of them when they get old. That's how he was able to go pro at 17 years of age when his classmates were forced to study 14 hours a day to get their shot at taking university entrance exams. Trust me. I lived in China for a year, my major is Chinese. I know what I'm talking about when I say this.
If his family is extremely wealthy, then his folks probably have the guanxi to get it done. Which means we'll probably hearing an update fairly soon.
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On July 25 2013 20:32 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 19:50 Alopex wrote:On July 25 2013 19:44 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:38 mengsk83 wrote:On July 25 2013 19:33 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:32 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:30 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:24 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:12 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:11 grs wrote:
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The difference is, he is stalling two matches, not only one. I don't know how tight their schedule is, but that certainly is a difference. Also he was not present for the matches at all. I can imagine it might be difficult to get the needed VISAs, but do you need to that on the day of another tournament? no it's just him vs MC 1v1 for spot in groups, there's nothign after that As I see the bracket, it is him vs Daisy and the loser vs MC. It would be not right just to have him play the last match. just say daisy gets the defwin but have the loser final be played That would be unreasonable. Why should Daisy get the freeride and MC not? Also again: Why does he just leave the venue during a tournament? because of extraordinary circumstances rules don't exist for the sake of having rules, they exist to better the tournament extraordinary circumstances he himself (or his team) is/are responsible for. Why wasnt this Visa issue sorted out before taking part in this tournament? because meetings are at the pleasure of the embassy, not yours This is exactly right, was told by iG.Edison(MacSed/Jim's team coach) that they waited outside the embassy standing for 2 hours in 40 degrees heat and another hour inside the embassy, just to get their visas denied after visa officer looked at their WCS invitation briefly. If this is true I hate my country even more now. Come on....
Trust me, it's not just the United States. Visas are a pain in the ass to get from any country, and a lot of the times the bullshit they throw your way was completely unnecessary.
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I think a bit of fault could be put on Jim manager. It was written in this thread that they were given two possible dates for the visa interview. On 24th and 25th. Wasnt it possible to have Jim go on 24th and MacSed on 25th? There is a proverb dont put all your eggs into one basket, especially if its a known issue that in some cases the visa rejection is based on the official mood.
PS. If Jim went on 24th he would have no problems playing in the IEM and wouldnt be DQ,
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On July 26 2013 00:31 Frankon wrote:
I think a bit of fault could be put on Jim manager. It was written in this thread that they were given two possible dates for the visa interview. On 24th and 25th. Wasnt it possible to have Jim go on 24th and MacSed on 25th?
you get to 'choose' _1_ of they date they set for you not both...
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On July 26 2013 00:23 Dreamer.T wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 20:32 LongShot27 wrote:On July 25 2013 19:50 Alopex wrote:On July 25 2013 19:44 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:38 mengsk83 wrote:On July 25 2013 19:33 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:32 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:30 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:24 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:12 Waxangel wrote:
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no it's just him vs MC 1v1 for spot in groups, there's nothign after that As I see the bracket, it is him vs Daisy and the loser vs MC. It would be not right just to have him play the last match. just say daisy gets the defwin but have the loser final be played That would be unreasonable. Why should Daisy get the freeride and MC not? Also again: Why does he just leave the venue during a tournament? because of extraordinary circumstances rules don't exist for the sake of having rules, they exist to better the tournament extraordinary circumstances he himself (or his team) is/are responsible for. Why wasnt this Visa issue sorted out before taking part in this tournament? because meetings are at the pleasure of the embassy, not yours This is exactly right, was told by iG.Edison(MacSed/Jim's team coach) that they waited outside the embassy standing for 2 hours in 40 degrees heat and another hour inside the embassy, just to get their visas denied after visa officer looked at their WCS invitation briefly. If this is true I hate my country even more now. Come on.... Trust me, it's not just the United States. Visas are a pain in the ass to get from any country, and a lot of the times the bullshit they throw your way was completely unnecessary.
I just recently got my VISA for the US. It took me 6 months to get it. 6 months full of fail communication, slow institutions, probably getting all of my emails observed by the NSA, paying a lot of money and having generally a lot of stress.
A lot of colleagues shared their experience with getting VISA for other countries. No comparison. VISA for the US is the most annoying one, by far.
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On July 26 2013 00:36 shmget wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 00:31 Frankon wrote:
I think a bit of fault could be put on Jim manager. It was written in this thread that they were given two possible dates for the visa interview. On 24th and 25th. Wasnt it possible to have Jim go on 24th and MacSed on 25th? you get to 'choose' _1_ of they date they set for you not both...
And i thought that each case is done separately...
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Oh god not again.
I feel like Macsed especially has been getting screwed, it's like the guy can't catch a god damn break.
So sorry Jimbo. 
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On July 26 2013 00:20 hoemuffin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 23:00 Enders116 wrote:On July 25 2013 22:58 edgeOut wrote:On July 25 2013 22:55 Voyage wrote:On July 25 2013 22:50 Gekk02 wrote:
On topic, is there any possibility left to get an visa on time or is there only one chance you can get? For US Visas you got the possibility to appeal, but since it was chinese administration which denied the visa apparently (at least how I understand this thread), it is not gonna be that easy. I am really wondering how E-Sport teams like iG do not have success with applying for visas. Other "athletes" (plus trainers etc.) from china travel the world. To be simple, other "athletes" have money, e-sports kids don't, much higher chance to be denied. Jim comes from an extremely wealthy family that doesn't need him to take care of them when they get old. That's how he was able to go pro at 17 years of age when his classmates were forced to study 14 hours a day to get their shot at taking university entrance exams. Trust me. I lived in China for a year, my major is Chinese. I know what I'm talking about when I say this. If his family is extremely wealthy, then his folks probably have the guanxi to get it done. Which means we'll probably hearing an update fairly soon.
They need help on US sides, not Chinese side, so not gonna help much.
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I tried to look for his fanclub here on TL but he doesn't have one Where can we show our support for Jim and cheer him up? T.QQ?
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On July 26 2013 00:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 00:23 Dreamer.T wrote:On July 25 2013 20:32 LongShot27 wrote:On July 25 2013 19:50 Alopex wrote:On July 25 2013 19:44 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:38 mengsk83 wrote:On July 25 2013 19:33 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:32 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:30 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:24 grs wrote:
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As I see the bracket, it is him vs Daisy and the loser vs MC. It would be not right just to have him play the last match. just say daisy gets the defwin but have the loser final be played That would be unreasonable. Why should Daisy get the freeride and MC not? Also again: Why does he just leave the venue during a tournament? because of extraordinary circumstances rules don't exist for the sake of having rules, they exist to better the tournament extraordinary circumstances he himself (or his team) is/are responsible for. Why wasnt this Visa issue sorted out before taking part in this tournament? because meetings are at the pleasure of the embassy, not yours This is exactly right, was told by iG.Edison(MacSed/Jim's team coach) that they waited outside the embassy standing for 2 hours in 40 degrees heat and another hour inside the embassy, just to get their visas denied after visa officer looked at their WCS invitation briefly. If this is true I hate my country even more now. Come on.... Trust me, it's not just the United States. Visas are a pain in the ass to get from any country, and a lot of the times the bullshit they throw your way was completely unnecessary. I just recently got my VISA for the US. It took me 6 months to get it. 6 months full of fail communication, slow institutions, probably getting all of my emails observed by the NSA, paying a lot of money and having generally a lot of stress. A lot of colleagues shared their experience with getting VISA for other countries. No comparison. VISA for the US is the most annoying one, by far.
It's because U.S. visas tend to be exploited for other matters. It's very hard because people do things with the visa to attempt to stay in the U.S., that makes our immigration policies fairly rigid, and visas harder to get.
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On July 25 2013 19:08 Waxangel wrote:
they should let jim play his match vs MC tomorrow
they've already let oz-grubby delay their game due to the venue closing before they could play
flexibility is better than rigid rule adherence in this specific case
Couldn't agree more.
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On July 26 2013 00:23 Dreamer.T wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 20:32 LongShot27 wrote:On July 25 2013 19:50 Alopex wrote:On July 25 2013 19:44 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:38 mengsk83 wrote:On July 25 2013 19:33 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:32 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:30 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:24 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:12 Waxangel wrote:
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no it's just him vs MC 1v1 for spot in groups, there's nothign after that As I see the bracket, it is him vs Daisy and the loser vs MC. It would be not right just to have him play the last match. just say daisy gets the defwin but have the loser final be played That would be unreasonable. Why should Daisy get the freeride and MC not? Also again: Why does he just leave the venue during a tournament? because of extraordinary circumstances rules don't exist for the sake of having rules, they exist to better the tournament extraordinary circumstances he himself (or his team) is/are responsible for. Why wasnt this Visa issue sorted out before taking part in this tournament? because meetings are at the pleasure of the embassy, not yours This is exactly right, was told by iG.Edison(MacSed/Jim's team coach) that they waited outside the embassy standing for 2 hours in 40 degrees heat and another hour inside the embassy, just to get their visas denied after visa officer looked at their WCS invitation briefly. If this is true I hate my country even more now. Come on.... Trust me, it's not just the United States. Visas are a pain in the ass to get from any country, and a lot of the times the bullshit they throw your way was completely unnecessary.
That is a true statement. When I was graduating college I tried to get a visa to Italy for a family trip. But they kept having issues with my application with the same information that they let my parents in on... The ones that require an interview are worse as the interview slots can fill up way in advance.
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On July 26 2013 01:00 docvoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 00:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On July 26 2013 00:23 Dreamer.T wrote:On July 25 2013 20:32 LongShot27 wrote:On July 25 2013 19:50 Alopex wrote:On July 25 2013 19:44 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:38 mengsk83 wrote:On July 25 2013 19:33 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:32 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:30 Waxangel wrote:
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just say daisy gets the defwin but have the loser final be played That would be unreasonable. Why should Daisy get the freeride and MC not? Also again: Why does he just leave the venue during a tournament? because of extraordinary circumstances rules don't exist for the sake of having rules, they exist to better the tournament extraordinary circumstances he himself (or his team) is/are responsible for. Why wasnt this Visa issue sorted out before taking part in this tournament? because meetings are at the pleasure of the embassy, not yours This is exactly right, was told by iG.Edison(MacSed/Jim's team coach) that they waited outside the embassy standing for 2 hours in 40 degrees heat and another hour inside the embassy, just to get their visas denied after visa officer looked at their WCS invitation briefly. If this is true I hate my country even more now. Come on.... Trust me, it's not just the United States. Visas are a pain in the ass to get from any country, and a lot of the times the bullshit they throw your way was completely unnecessary. I just recently got my VISA for the US. It took me 6 months to get it. 6 months full of fail communication, slow institutions, probably getting all of my emails observed by the NSA, paying a lot of money and having generally a lot of stress. A lot of colleagues shared their experience with getting VISA for other countries. No comparison. VISA for the US is the most annoying one, by far. It's because U.S. visas tend to be exploited for other matters. It's very hard because people do things with the visa to attempt to stay in the U.S., that makes our immigration policies fairly rigid, and visas harder to get.
This is correct. Still felt like a slap to my german engineering face.
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I bet riot has a huge grin
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So if Jim/Macsed can't make WCS Ro16 (which I hope they end up making it to for the record) are they just going to eave 1/4 of the matches as walkovers or bump people up?
It sucks balls for the Chinese players that they can't get visas, but it would also suck balls for viewers to have the WCS AM finals have matches cut out.
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On July 26 2013 01:12 jinorazi wrote:
I bet riot has a huge grin
Uh huh. ![[image loading]](http://s4.golfmagic.com/forum/smilies/eye_rolling_smiley.gif)
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