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On July 25 2013 22:55 Voyage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 22:50 Gekk02 wrote:
On topic, is there any possibility left to get an visa on time or is there only one chance you can get? For US Visas you got the possibility to appeal, but since it was chinese administration which denied the visa apparently (at least how I understand this thread), it is not gonna be that easy. I am really wondering how E-Sport teams like iG do not have success with applying for visas. Other "athletes" (plus trainers etc.) from china travel the world.
To be simple, other "athletes" have money, e-sports kids don't, much higher chance to be denied.
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damn. i want the chinese scene to get exposure 
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Wow I feel sorry for him.
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On July 25 2013 22:58 edgeOut wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 22:55 Voyage wrote:On July 25 2013 22:50 Gekk02 wrote:
On topic, is there any possibility left to get an visa on time or is there only one chance you can get? For US Visas you got the possibility to appeal, but since it was chinese administration which denied the visa apparently (at least how I understand this thread), it is not gonna be that easy. I am really wondering how E-Sport teams like iG do not have success with applying for visas. Other "athletes" (plus trainers etc.) from china travel the world. To be simple, other "athletes" have money, e-sports kids don't, much higher chance to be denied.
Jim comes from an extremely wealthy family that doesn't need him to take care of them when they get old. That's how he was able to go pro at 17 years of age when his classmates were forced to study 14 hours a day to get their shot at taking university entrance exams.
Trust me. I lived in China for a year, my major is Chinese. I know what I'm talking about when I say this.
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Also iG has much more money than most athletic organizations in China.
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On July 25 2013 23:00 Enders116 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 22:58 edgeOut wrote:On July 25 2013 22:55 Voyage wrote:On July 25 2013 22:50 Gekk02 wrote:
On topic, is there any possibility left to get an visa on time or is there only one chance you can get? For US Visas you got the possibility to appeal, but since it was chinese administration which denied the visa apparently (at least how I understand this thread), it is not gonna be that easy. I am really wondering how E-Sport teams like iG do not have success with applying for visas. Other "athletes" (plus trainers etc.) from china travel the world. To be simple, other "athletes" have money, e-sports kids don't, much higher chance to be denied. Jim comes from an extremely wealthy family that doesn't need him to take care of them when they get old. That's how he was able to go pro at 17 years of age when his classmates were forced to study 14 hours a day to get their shot at taking university entrance exams. Trust me. I lived in China for a year, my major is Chinese. I know what I'm talking about when I say this.
Then it must be a preparation or language problem. The reason of attending an e-sports tournament is pretty weak too, and they probably met an officer with sour mood today.
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On July 25 2013 22:44 dantawangzi wrote:
I dont get it, all the dota 2 players from China get us visa like no problem, why it is so hard for a sc2 player??
Its a time thing. If you know 4 months in advance that you're going to TI3 its not that hard to get a visa. If you know two weeks in advance that you're going to WCS it suddenly becomes very hard to get a visa.
On July 25 2013 22:51 Jampackedeon wrote:
Didn't I just read that the US now recognizes Esports as a valid reason to give visas (thanks to some lobbying by LoL apparently).
Does that not also apply to SC2 players?
It has nothing to do with Jim and Macsed's situation. Riot's lobying is related to P1 visas, which allows the players to reside in the US long term (3-5 years) and to be salaried. More than likely Jim and Macsed tried to get a B1 visa, which is the easiest US visa to get (along with the B2 visa) and would be sufficient to come to the US and compete for a tournament that offers prize money.
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On July 25 2013 23:09 FSKi wrote:
Blizzard clearly needs to get on Riot's level in terms of government involvement. Unfortunately for them, its a lot tougher when you have single players instead of teams like in traditional American sports. I say this because it is a lot easier for an organization to say "Yeah this player will be guaranteed X amount of time in on one of our teams for $Y" compared to something like "Yeah we want to fly this foreigner in for one weekend, maybe two, so he can possibly have a chance at $X, and after that we have no idea what his/her plans are."
Again, that's covered by B1 visas. A B1 visa is easier to get than a P1 anyway, you don't need to demonstrate that you are "world class". The problem is likely that there wasn't enough time between the Ro32 and the Ro16.
If Blizzard required residency to compete in WCS then, yes, allowing SC players to get a P1 visa would become a necessity. But the problem would likely have been solved has Jim and Macsed been able to book their travel to the US three or four months ago.
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Trust me. I lived in China for a year, my major is Chinese. I know what I'm talking about when I say this.
So it's enough to live in the same 1,3 billion population country and study it's language, and you're suddenly an expert on particular progamers biography.
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On July 25 2013 22:39 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 22:36 edgeOut wrote:On July 25 2013 19:08 TAMinator wrote:
Hopefully he gets his visa in time for WCS. If not, I know Rotterdam said he'll ask Blizzard for some help if it needs to come down to that. Not possible, visa interview to US for Chinese usually needs a long time to be able to get an appointment, students usually arrange visa interview at least couple months in advance. And a rejection is very hard to reverse to an approve, some people can interview 3 to 4 times and never get an approve. A company can't do much, this is politics and diplomatic procedure between US and China, and his reason to US to attend an e-sports tournament is not too strong also, even students with scholarship got denied sometimes. Ouch, that is really rough if it turns out that way. I know Blizzard and other companies have been able to clear up Visa issues in the past, but they were never with China and mostly countries the US is on good terms with.
Illegal immigration also plays a part in it. The US doesn't care much when people visiting are from other developed countries. My former country is friendly to the US and it is still hard to get a visa because of the volume of people who want to live in the US and overstay their visas.
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This is an unfortunate way to go down.
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On July 25 2013 23:16 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 22:39 Plansix wrote:On July 25 2013 22:36 edgeOut wrote:On July 25 2013 19:08 TAMinator wrote:
Hopefully he gets his visa in time for WCS. If not, I know Rotterdam said he'll ask Blizzard for some help if it needs to come down to that. Not possible, visa interview to US for Chinese usually needs a long time to be able to get an appointment, students usually arrange visa interview at least couple months in advance. And a rejection is very hard to reverse to an approve, some people can interview 3 to 4 times and never get an approve. A company can't do much, this is politics and diplomatic procedure between US and China, and his reason to US to attend an e-sports tournament is not too strong also, even students with scholarship got denied sometimes. Ouch, that is really rough if it turns out that way. I know Blizzard and other companies have been able to clear up Visa issues in the past, but they were never with China and mostly countries the US is on good terms with. Illegal immigration also plays a part in it. The US doesn't care much when people visiting are from other developed countries. My former country is friendly to the US and it is still hard to get a visa because of the volume of people who want to live in the US and overstay their visas.
People want live in Europe as well, but most European treat visitors as guest, but US treat them as thieves and beggars.
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On July 25 2013 23:14 Sejanus wrote:Show nested quote +
Trust me. I lived in China for a year, my major is Chinese. I know what I'm talking about when I say this.
So it's enough to live in the same 1,3 billion population country and study it's language, and you're suddenly an expert on particular progamers biography.
Enders116 probably could have referenced his knowledge a little better but he does actually know what he's talking about. He's been really into the sc2 scene (CN/TW) as a bilingual caster.
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On July 25 2013 23:17 FSKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 23:14 Fischbacher wrote:On July 25 2013 23:09 FSKi wrote:
Blizzard clearly needs to get on Riot's level in terms of government involvement. Unfortunately for them, its a lot tougher when you have single players instead of teams like in traditional American sports. I say this because it is a lot easier for an organization to say "Yeah this player will be guaranteed X amount of time in on one of our teams for $Y" compared to something like "Yeah we want to fly this foreigner in for one weekend, maybe two, so he can possibly have a chance at $X, and after that we have no idea what his/her plans are." Again, that's covered by B1 visas. A B1 visa is easier to get than a P1 anyway, you don't need to demonstrate that you are "world class". The problem is likely that there wasn't enough time between the Ro32 and the Ro16. If Blizzard required residency to compete in WCS then, yes, allowing SC players to get a P1 visa would become a necessity. But the problem would likely have been solved has Jim and Macsed been able to book their travel to the US three or four months ago. It's still Blizzard's fault for not planning this event out. This should have been worked out months ago.
That might not have made a difference. People are saying that it can take several months(3-4) to get approval. There are any number of events that don't provide that much notice. I don't know what Jim was required to provide, but they likely have to say how long they are going to be in the US, which they wouldn't know until the exact dates of the matches are known. Even the GSL doesn't have their matched planned out 3-4 months in advance.
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On July 25 2013 23:17 FSKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 23:14 Fischbacher wrote:On July 25 2013 23:09 FSKi wrote:
Blizzard clearly needs to get on Riot's level in terms of government involvement. Unfortunately for them, its a lot tougher when you have single players instead of teams like in traditional American sports. I say this because it is a lot easier for an organization to say "Yeah this player will be guaranteed X amount of time in on one of our teams for $Y" compared to something like "Yeah we want to fly this foreigner in for one weekend, maybe two, so he can possibly have a chance at $X, and after that we have no idea what his/her plans are." Again, that's covered by B1 visas. A B1 visa is easier to get than a P1 anyway, you don't need to demonstrate that you are "world class". The problem is likely that there wasn't enough time between the Ro32 and the Ro16. If Blizzard required residency to compete in WCS then, yes, allowing SC players to get a P1 visa would become a necessity. But the problem would likely have been solved has Jim and Macsed been able to book their travel to the US three or four months ago. It's still Blizzard's fault for not planning this event out. This should have been worked out months ago.
Agreed, but its really not an issue for people from developed countries (getting a B1 visa is typically trivial for those in developed countries). Violet's case was somewhat unique due to the fact that he was already an alien living in the US, which can cause all sort of funky situations to come up and you can't really blame Blizzard for that one. But Blizzard knew that the Chinese players would be pushed into playing WCS NA due to now having a SEA or China region, they knew that visas could be a problem (they have had visa issues in the past) and they should have had contingencies in place.
On July 25 2013 23:21 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 23:17 FSKi wrote:On July 25 2013 23:14 Fischbacher wrote:On July 25 2013 23:09 FSKi wrote:
Blizzard clearly needs to get on Riot's level in terms of government involvement. Unfortunately for them, its a lot tougher when you have single players instead of teams like in traditional American sports. I say this because it is a lot easier for an organization to say "Yeah this player will be guaranteed X amount of time in on one of our teams for $Y" compared to something like "Yeah we want to fly this foreigner in for one weekend, maybe two, so he can possibly have a chance at $X, and after that we have no idea what his/her plans are." Again, that's covered by B1 visas. A B1 visa is easier to get than a P1 anyway, you don't need to demonstrate that you are "world class". The problem is likely that there wasn't enough time between the Ro32 and the Ro16. If Blizzard required residency to compete in WCS then, yes, allowing SC players to get a P1 visa would become a necessity. But the problem would likely have been solved has Jim and Macsed been able to book their travel to the US three or four months ago. It's still Blizzard's fault for not planning this event out. This should have been worked out months ago. That might not have made a difference. People are saying that it can take several months(3-4) to get approval. There are any number of events that don't provide that much notice. I don't know what Jim was required to provide, but they likely have to say how long they are going to be in the US, which they wouldn't know until the exact dates of the matches are known. Even the GSL doesn't have their matched planned out 3-4 months in advance.
There would be a few possible solutions for that, including booking accommodation and travel any Chinese players that qualify for Premier (or even challenger from the previous season) right away and get them to apply for a visa then, regardless of whether or not they qualify for the live event. Alternatively, they could fly the players that can't get a visa to another location in another country (that has decent lag to the AM server) and get them to play from there. Not optimal, but it does beat the alternatives.
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This really sucks that he got DQed cause of time while trying to fix his visa issues T_T hopefully in a year or so when WCS is super solid the US will recognize Sc2 players with LoL players.
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On July 25 2013 23:22 FSKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 23:21 Plansix wrote:On July 25 2013 23:17 FSKi wrote:On July 25 2013 23:14 Fischbacher wrote:On July 25 2013 23:09 FSKi wrote:
Blizzard clearly needs to get on Riot's level in terms of government involvement. Unfortunately for them, its a lot tougher when you have single players instead of teams like in traditional American sports. I say this because it is a lot easier for an organization to say "Yeah this player will be guaranteed X amount of time in on one of our teams for $Y" compared to something like "Yeah we want to fly this foreigner in for one weekend, maybe two, so he can possibly have a chance at $X, and after that we have no idea what his/her plans are." Again, that's covered by B1 visas. A B1 visa is easier to get than a P1 anyway, you don't need to demonstrate that you are "world class". The problem is likely that there wasn't enough time between the Ro32 and the Ro16. If Blizzard required residency to compete in WCS then, yes, allowing SC players to get a P1 visa would become a necessity. But the problem would likely have been solved has Jim and Macsed been able to book their travel to the US three or four months ago. It's still Blizzard's fault for not planning this event out. This should have been worked out months ago. That might not have made a difference. People are saying that it can take several months(3-4) to get approval. There are any number of events that don't provide that much notice. I don't know what Jim was required to provide, but they likely have to say how long they are going to be in the US, which they wouldn't know until the exact dates of the matches are known. Even the GSL doesn't have their matched planned out 3-4 months in advance. That's my point. This issue should have been known about and worked out long ago.
Clearly that would have been nice, but I don't know if they could have done it. They switched production companies part way through WCS and Jim would have needed to apply in May to get the fully 3-4 month. But yes, in an perfect world Blizzard would know the date of every single match for every season when WCS was announced.
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