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larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
July 25 2013 18:05 GMT
#281
They definitely have taken this into consideration early on. Chinese esport player failing to get US/EU visa is such a familiar story to all Chinese esport players. There have been many many cases like this in BW, WC3, etc (The situation is actually getting better though). They still participated in WCS NA in the first place because they are willing to take the risk and want to give a shot, and it's much better than not even trying.
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2629 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-25 18:23:53
July 25 2013 18:23 GMT
#282
Goddamnit, I was really looking forward to seeing if Jim could win this tournament.
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
July 25 2013 18:26 GMT
#283
This is directly Blizzard's fault.

Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure.

We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions.

These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues.
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
July 25 2013 18:28 GMT
#284
so i heard they postponed Grubby vs Oz until today?

why didnt they just postpone Jim's match vs MC (loser bracket) until today also then?

why have to DQ Jim, when you are postponing matches like Grubbys, and Oz?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 25 2013 18:28 GMT
#285
On July 26 2013 03:26 Apoteosis wrote:
This is directly Blizzard's fault.

Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure.

We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions.

These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues.

You can't get a P1 visa for people you don't employee. Blizzard does not pay the players in WCS, so they can't get those visas. This has been addressed previously in the thread like five times.
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Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
July 25 2013 18:29 GMT
#286
On July 26 2013 03:28 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 03:26 Apoteosis wrote:
This is directly Blizzard's fault.

Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure.

We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions.

These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues.

You can't get a P1 visa for people you don't employee. Blizzard does not pay the players in WCS, so they can't get those visas. This has been addressed previously in the thread like five times.


Lobby does wonders...
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-25 18:33:28
July 25 2013 18:33 GMT
#287
dont the teams petition for the P1 visa, not related to blizzard? only thing blizzard needs to do is help these players and the game get "internationally recognized" so they can get a p1 visa.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-25 18:37:35
July 25 2013 18:34 GMT
#288
On July 26 2013 03:29 Apoteosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 03:28 Plansix wrote:
On July 26 2013 03:26 Apoteosis wrote:
This is directly Blizzard's fault.

Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure.

We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions.

These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues.

You can't get a P1 visa for people you don't employee. Blizzard does not pay the players in WCS, so they can't get those visas. This has been addressed previously in the thread like five times.


Lobby does wonders...

No it doesn't, Riot paid a lot of money to sponsor those visa and likely has to do a ton of leg work to get their players visas when they need them(providing documents). Blizzard would be asking for Visas for players they have ZERO information on and no documents or other evidence as to who they were. It is not an easy process and they dont just hand out Visas because a big company like Blizzard asks.

Here is a list of things you need to provide for PI visa:


Supporting Documents
The Form I-129 must include the following documents:

A written consultation from an appropriate labor organization
A copy of the contract with a major U.S. sports league or team or a contract in an individual sport commensurate with international recognition in the sport, if such contracts are normally utilized in the sport
An explanation of the event and itinerary

Documentation of at least two of the following:
Evidence of having participated to a significant extent in a prior season with a major United States sports league
Evidence of having participated to a significant extent in international competition with a national team
Evidence of having participated to a significant extent in a prior season for a U.S. college or university in intercollegiate competition
A written statement from an official of a major U.S. sports league or an official of the governing body of the sport which details how you or your team is internationally recognized
A written statement from a member of the sports media or a recognized expert in the sport which details how you or your team is internationally recognized
Evidence that you or your team is ranked, if the sport has international rankings
Evidence that you or your team has received a significant honor or award in the sport

That is a lot of stuff that simply does not exist, including the contract with a major sports league.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Glon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States569 Posts
July 25 2013 18:34 GMT
#289
Note that this is not 100% - iG's coach recently posted that IEM is meeting with the coach/players to discuss the situation and see if anything can be done. Also note that in IEM's official release they failed to mention that the ref gave the option of playing the match the next day (~ to other players).

With regards to the visa, if Blizzard gets their shit together and contacts the US embassy immediately there's still hope that both players will get it.

We'll see what comes in the next few days.
@QuanticGlon https://twitter.com/QuanticGlon
Fischbacher
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada666 Posts
July 25 2013 18:36 GMT
#290
On July 26 2013 03:33 jinorazi wrote:
dont the teams petition for the P1 visa, not related to blizzard? only thing blizzard needs to do is help these players and the game get "internationally recognized" so they can get a p1 visa.

iG has no US presence. P1 is only for US based teams or teams that have a US presence.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 25 2013 18:36 GMT
#291
On July 26 2013 03:34 Glon wrote:
Note that this is not 100% - iG's coach recently posted that IEM is meeting with the coach/players to discuss the situation and see if anything can be done. Also note that in IEM's official release they failed to mention that the ref gave the option of playing the match the next day (~ to other players).

With regards to the visa, if Blizzard gets their shit together and contacts the US embassy immediately there's still hope that both players will get it.

We'll see what comes in the next few days.

USCIS is like a 5,000 pound elephant.
Blizzard is like a gnat, if that.

Blizzard doesnt get to go in to the embassy and say "hey, USCIS, stop following the law, because this dude wants to play video games in 'merica."

this is the weirdest thread.
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2629 Posts
July 25 2013 18:37 GMT
#292
On July 26 2013 03:34 Glon wrote:
Note that this is not 100% - iG's coach recently posted that IEM is meeting with the coach/players to discuss the situation and see if anything can be done. Also note that in IEM's official release they failed to mention that the ref gave the option of playing the match the next day (~ to other players).

With regards to the visa, if Blizzard gets their shit together and contacts the US embassy immediately there's still hope that both players will get it.

We'll see what comes in the next few days.

Let's hope for good news.
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
July 25 2013 18:37 GMT
#293
On July 26 2013 03:26 Apoteosis wrote:
This is directly Blizzard's fault.

Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure.

We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions.

These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues.

Please...stop talking. Just stop.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
July 25 2013 18:39 GMT
#294
On July 26 2013 03:26 Apoteosis wrote:
This is directly Blizzard's fault.

Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure.

We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions.

These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues.

JimmyJRaynor, is that you?
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 25 2013 18:40 GMT
#295
On July 26 2013 03:36 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 03:34 Glon wrote:
Note that this is not 100% - iG's coach recently posted that IEM is meeting with the coach/players to discuss the situation and see if anything can be done. Also note that in IEM's official release they failed to mention that the ref gave the option of playing the match the next day (~ to other players).

With regards to the visa, if Blizzard gets their shit together and contacts the US embassy immediately there's still hope that both players will get it.

We'll see what comes in the next few days.

USCIS is like a 5,000 pound elephant.
Blizzard is like a gnat, if that.

Blizzard doesnt get to go in to the embassy and say "hey, USCIS, stop following the law, because this dude wants to play video games in 'merica."

this is the weirdest thread.

Yeah, for some reason people think that making SC2 and WoW somehow gives Blizzard special powers over the US government and USCIS. Or that they can somehow make up a new "WCS Visa" that players could use.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
July 25 2013 18:42 GMT
#296
Situations like this really make me want region locks, or at least a requirement on physical presence in the region.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-25 18:46:10
July 25 2013 18:44 GMT
#297
On July 26 2013 03:36 Fischbacher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 03:33 jinorazi wrote:
dont the teams petition for the P1 visa, not related to blizzard? only thing blizzard needs to do is help these players and the game get "internationally recognized" so they can get a p1 visa.

iG has no US presence. P1 is only for US based teams or teams that have a US presence.


i see so the ones petitioning, iG, needs to be based in US or something so that they can get their people to come over.

just out of curiosity, would forming a group such as eSF (bunch of teams organized as single entity, based in US and internationally) help in creating these petitions?
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Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
July 25 2013 18:44 GMT
#298
On July 25 2013 19:30 pmp10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2013 19:25 Thrillz wrote:
On July 25 2013 19:18 Hellboy.100 wrote:
On July 25 2013 19:08 Waxangel wrote:
they should let jim play his match vs MC tomorrow

they've already let oz-grubby delay their game due to the venue closing before they could play

flexibility is better than rigid rule adherence in this specific case


Is there anyone who can suggest this to the IEM admins? It's pretty reasonable he should get that chance to at least play the lower bracket...but he should be able to play both since three group games can be played before he has to play his group anyway...


They already made the decision, they can't change it now as it would be totally unfair to the qualifying players.

Unless someone popular stamps their feet takes it to twitter and threatens a boycott.

At this point, I think the only possibility is if MC publicly (and to the IEM officials) says that he wants to play the last qualification match against Jim. Then maybe, just maybe, they'd be willing to play that match, which would push their schedule back even further (since they already have to play a postponed match from yesterday).
Plat Support Main #believe
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
July 25 2013 18:46 GMT
#299
On July 26 2013 03:28 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 03:26 Apoteosis wrote:
This is directly Blizzard's fault.

Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure.

We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions.

These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues.

You can't get a P1 visa for people you don't employee. Blizzard does not pay the players in WCS, so they can't get those visas. This has been addressed previously in the thread like five times.

Does Riot pay the LCS players? I think the reason people are so up in arms over calling for Blizzard to do more is because of the recent news that LCS players were granted similar status to pro athletes for the purposes of visas.
Plat Support Main #believe
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-25 18:48:33
July 25 2013 18:47 GMT
#300
On July 26 2013 03:44 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 03:36 Fischbacher wrote:
On July 26 2013 03:33 jinorazi wrote:
dont the teams petition for the P1 visa, not related to blizzard? only thing blizzard needs to do is help these players and the game get "internationally recognized" so they can get a p1 visa.

iG has no US presence. P1 is only for US based teams or teams that have a US presence.


i see so the ones petitioning, iG, needs to be based in US or something so that they can get their people to come over.

just out of curiosity, would forming a group such as eSF (bunch of teams organized in single entity, based in US and internationally) help in creating these petitions?

No, because you still need a contract with a major sports league, which Blizzard would need to work with the government to recognize. Then they would need a contract with that league and contracts require that people get paid some amount of money.
On July 26 2013 03:46 Jacmert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 03:28 Plansix wrote:
On July 26 2013 03:26 Apoteosis wrote:
This is directly Blizzard's fault.

Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure.

We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions.

These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues.

You can't get a P1 visa for people you don't employee. Blizzard does not pay the players in WCS, so they can't get those visas. This has been addressed previously in the thread like five times.

Does Riot pay the LCS players? I think the reason people are so up in arms over calling for Blizzard to do more is because of the recent news that LCS players were granted similar status to pro athletes for the purposes of visas.

Yes, Riot pays LCS players.
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