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larse
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Brutaxilos
United States2634 Posts
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Apoteosis
Chile820 Posts
Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure. We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions. These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues. | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
why didnt they just postpone Jim's match vs MC (loser bracket) until today also then? why have to DQ Jim, when you are postponing matches like Grubbys, and Oz? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 26 2013 03:26 Apoteosis wrote: This is directly Blizzard's fault. Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure. We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions. These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues. You can't get a P1 visa for people you don't employee. Blizzard does not pay the players in WCS, so they can't get those visas. This has been addressed previously in the thread like five times. | ||
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Apoteosis
Chile820 Posts
On July 26 2013 03:28 Plansix wrote: You can't get a P1 visa for people you don't employee. Blizzard does not pay the players in WCS, so they can't get those visas. This has been addressed previously in the thread like five times. Lobby does wonders... | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
No it doesn't, Riot paid a lot of money to sponsor those visa and likely has to do a ton of leg work to get their players visas when they need them(providing documents). Blizzard would be asking for Visas for players they have ZERO information on and no documents or other evidence as to who they were. It is not an easy process and they dont just hand out Visas because a big company like Blizzard asks. Here is a list of things you need to provide for PI visa: Supporting Documents The Form I-129 must include the following documents: A written consultation from an appropriate labor organization A copy of the contract with a major U.S. sports league or team or a contract in an individual sport commensurate with international recognition in the sport, if such contracts are normally utilized in the sport An explanation of the event and itinerary Documentation of at least two of the following: Evidence of having participated to a significant extent in a prior season with a major United States sports league Evidence of having participated to a significant extent in international competition with a national team Evidence of having participated to a significant extent in a prior season for a U.S. college or university in intercollegiate competition A written statement from an official of a major U.S. sports league or an official of the governing body of the sport which details how you or your team is internationally recognized A written statement from a member of the sports media or a recognized expert in the sport which details how you or your team is internationally recognized Evidence that you or your team is ranked, if the sport has international rankings Evidence that you or your team has received a significant honor or award in the sport That is a lot of stuff that simply does not exist, including the contract with a major sports league. | ||
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Glon
United States569 Posts
With regards to the visa, if Blizzard gets their shit together and contacts the US embassy immediately there's still hope that both players will get it. We'll see what comes in the next few days. | ||
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Fischbacher
Canada666 Posts
On July 26 2013 03:33 jinorazi wrote: dont the teams petition for the P1 visa, not related to blizzard? only thing blizzard needs to do is help these players and the game get "internationally recognized" so they can get a p1 visa. iG has no US presence. P1 is only for US based teams or teams that have a US presence. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On July 26 2013 03:34 Glon wrote: Note that this is not 100% - iG's coach recently posted that IEM is meeting with the coach/players to discuss the situation and see if anything can be done. Also note that in IEM's official release they failed to mention that the ref gave the option of playing the match the next day (~ to other players). With regards to the visa, if Blizzard gets their shit together and contacts the US embassy immediately there's still hope that both players will get it. We'll see what comes in the next few days. USCIS is like a 5,000 pound elephant. Blizzard is like a gnat, if that. Blizzard doesnt get to go in to the embassy and say "hey, USCIS, stop following the law, because this dude wants to play video games in 'merica." this is the weirdest thread. | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2634 Posts
On July 26 2013 03:34 Glon wrote: Note that this is not 100% - iG's coach recently posted that IEM is meeting with the coach/players to discuss the situation and see if anything can be done. Also note that in IEM's official release they failed to mention that the ref gave the option of playing the match the next day (~ to other players). With regards to the visa, if Blizzard gets their shit together and contacts the US embassy immediately there's still hope that both players will get it. We'll see what comes in the next few days. Let's hope for good news. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On July 26 2013 03:26 Apoteosis wrote: This is directly Blizzard's fault. Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure. We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions. These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues. Please...stop talking. Just stop. | ||
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farvacola
United States18872 Posts
On July 26 2013 03:26 Apoteosis wrote: This is directly Blizzard's fault. Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure. We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions. These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues. JimmyJRaynor, is that you? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 26 2013 03:36 dAPhREAk wrote: USCIS is like a 5,000 pound elephant. Blizzard is like a gnat, if that. Blizzard doesnt get to go in to the embassy and say "hey, USCIS, stop following the law, because this dude wants to play video games in 'merica." this is the weirdest thread. Yeah, for some reason people think that making SC2 and WoW somehow gives Blizzard special powers over the US government and USCIS. Or that they can somehow make up a new "WCS Visa" that players could use. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On July 26 2013 03:36 Fischbacher wrote: iG has no US presence. P1 is only for US based teams or teams that have a US presence. i see so the ones petitioning, iG, needs to be based in US or something so that they can get their people to come over. just out of curiosity, would forming a group such as eSF (bunch of teams organized as single entity, based in US and internationally) help in creating these petitions? | ||
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Jacmert
Canada1709 Posts
On July 25 2013 19:30 pmp10 wrote: Unless someone popular stamps their feet takes it to twitter and threatens a boycott. At this point, I think the only possibility is if MC publicly (and to the IEM officials) says that he wants to play the last qualification match against Jim. Then maybe, just maybe, they'd be willing to play that match, which would push their schedule back even further (since they already have to play a postponed match from yesterday). | ||
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Jacmert
Canada1709 Posts
On July 26 2013 03:28 Plansix wrote: You can't get a P1 visa for people you don't employee. Blizzard does not pay the players in WCS, so they can't get those visas. This has been addressed previously in the thread like five times. Does Riot pay the LCS players? I think the reason people are so up in arms over calling for Blizzard to do more is because of the recent news that LCS players were granted similar status to pro athletes for the purposes of visas. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 26 2013 03:44 jinorazi wrote: i see so the ones petitioning, iG, needs to be based in US or something so that they can get their people to come over. just out of curiosity, would forming a group such as eSF (bunch of teams organized in single entity, based in US and internationally) help in creating these petitions? No, because you still need a contract with a major sports league, which Blizzard would need to work with the government to recognize. Then they would need a contract with that league and contracts require that people get paid some amount of money. On July 26 2013 03:46 Jacmert wrote: Does Riot pay the LCS players? I think the reason people are so up in arms over calling for Blizzard to do more is because of the recent news that LCS players were granted similar status to pro athletes for the purposes of visas. Yes, Riot pays LCS players. | ||
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