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On July 26 2013 03:26 Apoteosis wrote:
This is directly Blizzard's fault.
Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure.
We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions.
These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues.
Blizzard lets the scene do their own thing: OMG Blizard, you should get involved!
Blizzard gets involved: OMG Blizard, before you messed up everything it was fine!
Blizzard doesn't do everything: OMG Blizzard it's all your fault!
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This is so weird. Normally the US government gets blamed for all kinds of stuff they did or didnt do which was or wasnt their fault. In this situation it would be reasonnable to critizise them for the ridiculous visa process yet people blame IG or Blizzard. Dont hate the player, hate the game. (No bandwagons please)
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On July 26 2013 03:46 Jacmert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 03:28 Plansix wrote:On July 26 2013 03:26 Apoteosis wrote:
This is directly Blizzard's fault.
Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure.
We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions.
These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues. You can't get a P1 visa for people you don't employee. Blizzard does not pay the players in WCS, so they can't get those visas. This has been addressed previously in the thread like five times. Does Riot pay the LCS players? I think the reason people are so up in arms over calling for Blizzard to do more is because of the recent news that LCS players were granted similar status to pro athletes for the purposes of visas.
Yes LCS players are paid a salary/stipend from Riot.
Anyways, sorry to hear this about Jim. He's such a nice guy and works really really hard. Hope something can be worked out!
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On July 26 2013 03:48 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 03:26 Apoteosis wrote:
This is directly Blizzard's fault.
Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure.
We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions.
These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues. Blizzard lets the scene do their own thing: OMG Blizard, you should get involved! Blizzard gets involved: OMG Blizard, before you messed up everything it was fine! Blizzard doesn't do everything: OMG Blizzard it's all your fault!
Amen.
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On July 26 2013 03:49 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 03:48 Assirra wrote:On July 26 2013 03:26 Apoteosis wrote:
This is directly Blizzard's fault.
Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure.
We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions.
These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues. Blizzard lets the scene do their own thing: OMG Blizard, you should get involved! Blizzard gets involved: OMG Blizard, before you messed up everything it was fine! Blizzard doesn't do everything: OMG Blizzard it's all your fault for not doing x and y!
did you intentionally quote your post immediately after for emphasis? because i find that hilarious. =)
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On July 26 2013 03:50 heartlxp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 03:46 Jacmert wrote:On July 26 2013 03:28 Plansix wrote:On July 26 2013 03:26 Apoteosis wrote:
This is directly Blizzard's fault.
Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure.
We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions.
These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues. You can't get a P1 visa for people you don't employee. Blizzard does not pay the players in WCS, so they can't get those visas. This has been addressed previously in the thread like five times. Does Riot pay the LCS players? I think the reason people are so up in arms over calling for Blizzard to do more is because of the recent news that LCS players were granted similar status to pro athletes for the purposes of visas. Yes LCS players are paid a salary/stipend from Riot. Anyways, sorry to hear this about Jim. He's such a nice guy and works really really hard. Hope something can be worked out!
Yea it is really frustrating.
Let us hope that next time will be a better organization.
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That smile just kills me, this really sucks 
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Kind of silly that they raised a fuss about being let into WCS AM but then couldn't get their visas straightened out. I remember back when everyone was pillaging MLG for not bending over backwards for the Chinese players (oh the poor Chinese players), I was thinking that they probably wouldn't even be able to get visas. I find it hard to believe there's no fault on iG for this disqualification and visa failure.
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On July 26 2013 04:18 Doodsmack wrote:
Kind of silly that they raised a fuss about being let into WCS AM but then couldn't get their visas straightened out. I remember back when everyone was pillaging MLG for not bending over backwards for the Chinese players (oh the poor Chinese players), I was thinking that they probably wouldn't even be able to get visas. I find it hard to believe there's no fault on iG for this disqualification and visa failure.
They "might" did something that's not optimal, who knows. But getting working visa in US for Chinese is more like a case of eeny, meeny, miny, moe.
Also how can you both "think that they probably wouldn't even be able to get visas" and "find it hard to believe there's no fault on iG for this disqualification and visa failure"? So were you expecting them to get visa or not?
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Wait why would you try a go work on your visa stuff mid tournament?
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On July 26 2013 04:27 UnKooL wrote:
Wait why would you try a go work on your visa stuff mid tournament?
Because 1: You can only apply for visa after you get invited (qualify + receive physical invitation from Blizzard), AND book your flight (yes, if you get rejected you are screwed). 2: Once you apply embassy will pick a time out of a hat for you to show up for interview, but you still have to wait in line for hours even with appointment.
It's a very fun and exciting system, you should try it sometime...
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On July 26 2013 04:27 UnKooL wrote:
Wait why would you try a go work on your visa stuff mid tournament?
cause the us government doesnt exactly let you choose when its best for you to come in to apply for a visa.
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On July 26 2013 04:27 UnKooL wrote:
Wait why would you try a go work on your visa stuff mid tournament?
When else would you work on it? You show up at the embassy when they want to see you, not when you want to go.
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On July 26 2013 01:00 docvoc wrote:
It's because U.S. visas tend to be exploited for other matters. It's very hard because people do things with the visa to attempt to stay in the U.S., that makes our immigration policies fairly rigid, and visas harder to get.
That is not 'rigid', that is capricious. there is no rules or policies, just the mood of the guy the review the application.
randomly making it hard for people that have a legitimate reason to be in and out on a given schdule to get timely paper
is doing nothing to stop visa abuse and overstay... people that want to overstay do not care _when_ they get in.
But of course now that congress has passed law to make Visa a profitable business, that is not going to change anytime soon... they created incentive to reject application... to make you pay again to re-apply... with an extra non-refundable fee for so-called 'expedited processing'....
Anyway, the only viable solution as mentioned earlier is to avoid the US altogether. let's have the WCS AM somewhere else in the continent... Canada would be a fine choice.
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Now, if only we had our WCS 2012 system!! (mostly a joke)
I feel bad for the Chinese. Four of them qualify for WCS AM and 2 of them get through to the Ro16, yet none get to go!
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Might as well have WCS AM in Korea, more convenient for them when they eventually take up every spot.
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On July 26 2013 03:55 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 03:49 Assirra wrote:On July 26 2013 03:48 Assirra wrote:On July 26 2013 03:26 Apoteosis wrote:
This is directly Blizzard's fault.
Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure.
We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions.
These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues. Blizzard lets the scene do their own thing: OMG Blizard, you should get involved! Blizzard gets involved: OMG Blizard, before you messed up everything it was fine! Blizzard doesn't do everything: OMG Blizzard it's all your fault for not doing x and y! did you intentionally quote your post immediately after for emphasis? because i find that hilarious. =)
Nah, was a double post i just found out 
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On July 26 2013 04:53 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 03:55 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 26 2013 03:49 Assirra wrote:On July 26 2013 03:48 Assirra wrote:On July 26 2013 03:26 Apoteosis wrote:
This is directly Blizzard's fault.
Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure.
We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions.
These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues. Blizzard lets the scene do their own thing: OMG Blizard, you should get involved! Blizzard gets involved: OMG Blizard, before you messed up everything it was fine! Blizzard doesn't do everything: OMG Blizzard it's all your fault for not doing x and y! did you intentionally quote your post immediately after for emphasis? because i find that hilarious. =) Nah, was a double post i just found out
well, that isnt nearly as funny. =) someone apparently wasnt amused at all since they reported you. haha.
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This is just another reason why the wcs needs to be region locked. I feel bad but at the same time thats what happens when you don't plan ahead. It said they tried getting the visa just one month ago. America isn't the easiest country to gain access too, need more than one month of time. Especially when your from a communist country...
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