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On July 26 2013 05:17 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 05:15 shmget wrote:On July 26 2013 03:36 dAPhREAk wrote:
USCIS is like a 5,000 pound elephant.
Blizzard is like a gnat, if that.
Blizzard doesnt get to go in to the embassy and say "hey, USCIS, stop following the law, because this dude wants to play video games in 'merica."
this is the weirdest thread. of course they can't say 'stop the following' law... since there is no law to stop. there is no law that stipulate that "capricious and random decision shall be made wrt the application of chinese e-sport athlete." And guess what, as was said before, with enough money and the right people to give it too, you'd get anything from the USCIS. Why do you thing so many people tout the merit of 'lobbying'... as if institutionalized corruption was something to be proud about.... So what you are saying is that Blizzard should bribe them? I don't think you are fully grasping what people are talking about here.
You can get an immigrant visa by investing $500k in some destitute PoS place in the middle of nowhere. I believe it's double that if you invest somewhere good.
I just find these people funny since they don't realize that issuing visas is mostly an economic decision.
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On July 26 2013 06:06 SupLilSon wrote:
Guys... guys... Blizzard is MASSIVE! Probably worth billions if not trillions, pretty sure Browder is one of the richest men in the world tbh... OFC Blizzard can get him a visa with their immense global influence...
I wouldn't see why they couldn't
I mean Riot Games got their players 'Athlete' visas for the sake of their travelling and what-not through intensive lobbying for the betterment of e-sports
I don't see why Blizzard can't.do something similar.
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On July 26 2013 05:42 KnadRa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 05:00 rshawer wrote:
Here is the problem, Blizzard doesn't do anything when we need them to. When they do something its only when we don't need them to do it. Your one of those people who immediately comes into a thread, blames Blizzard and leaves. They can't do anything about this, its a Visa issue that is out of their control entirely.
No, it is something they can completely control.
Riot got their players P-1 'Athlete' Visas for the sake of travelling for tournaments
I don't see why Blizzard can't do it.
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What does has to do with anything ? beside China is more capitalistic than the US these days, which is incidentally why the US are so upset... they are no so fond at being beaten at their own game....
People in the usa arnt fond of communist I dont really need to much of an explanation doesn't matter how capitalistic they are.
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On July 26 2013 06:27 skatblast wrote:Show nested quote +
What does has to do with anything ? beside China is more capitalistic than the US these days, which is incidentally why the US are so upset... they are no so fond at being beaten at their own game....
People in the usa arnt fond of communist I dont really need to much of an explanation doesn't matter how capitalistic they are.
nothing to be proud of....(only the ignorant supports this fondness)
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On July 26 2013 06:22 GodRcane7 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 06:06 SupLilSon wrote:
Guys... guys... Blizzard is MASSIVE! Probably worth billions if not trillions, pretty sure Browder is one of the richest men in the world tbh... OFC Blizzard can get him a visa with their immense global influence... I wouldn't see why they couldn't I mean Riot Games got their players 'Athlete' visas for the sake of their travelling and what-not through intensive lobbying for the betterment of e-sports I don't see why Blizzard can't.do something similar.
Have you seen the difference between what Riot does for LoL and what Blizzard does for SC2? Fat chance.
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They should open up a WCS: China/TW
Giving the top two spots a slot in the WCS Finals
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On July 26 2013 05:00 rshawer wrote:
Here is the problem, Blizzard doesn't do anything when we need them to. When they do something its only when we don't need them to do it.
hmm i notice my room is getting messy...i should cle-....nevermind! goddamnit Blizzard clean my room! good for nothing.
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On July 26 2013 02:58 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 02:53 Plansix wrote:On July 26 2013 02:52 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On July 26 2013 02:37 Plansix wrote:On July 26 2013 02:29 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On July 26 2013 02:25 Plansix wrote:On July 26 2013 02:20 jinorazi wrote:On July 26 2013 01:18 Plansix wrote:On July 26 2013 01:15 StarStruck wrote:On July 26 2013 01:12 jinorazi wrote:
I bet riot has a huge grin Uh huh. ![[image loading]](http://s4.golfmagic.com/forum/smilies/eye_rolling_smiley.gif) I love that no matter what happens, its always turns into "I bet this other game is laughing now". Like the NFL is laughing at all the MLB stars being dragged in for drug use. no, its because riot took care of visa issues, they saw things like this coming. nothing to do with game vs game, i guess i should have made it clear but i assumed many knew of that esports athlete thing already. Its easier to do that when the players in your league are employees(aka, you pay them money). It much harder to do that when your request is "Can you approve visas for the random people who qualify for our events? We dont' pay them or anything, they just qualify and we would like them to attend. By the way, we don't really run the events, other people we employ do. Also, we can't confirm who the people are that qualify or provide any documents or information on who they are. The only thing we can confirm is that they are really good at our game. Thanks Blizzard We are big on the internet, trust us" Getting a working visa is not a bit easier. See my posts above. I know its not easier, but its POSSIBLE. Blizzard can't ask them for work visa, since they don't employee the players. They would need to work with the US government to fit the players into a current visa system or create a new one, which may not work. What I m saying is that you need several month to get a work visa while it doesnt take that long to get a tourist/ visiting visa. Thats why in my eyes working visa wouldnt make sense even if they were employed. I am addressing the dumb comments where people are saying "Riot did this, why can't Blizzard. Such a joke, disgusting." Of couse, these are the same people who don't even understand what a visa is or that there is more than one type. Okay, sounds reasonable. You may continue with your noble quest.
It's always a losing cause but if we can get through to one or two people then I say job well done. Someone's got to do it anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Oh the amount of times I used that one in the last month.
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Oh my goodness, having Chinese players in WCS America is causing problems? Who could have foreseen this?!
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On July 26 2013 04:55 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 04:53 Assirra wrote:On July 26 2013 03:55 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 26 2013 03:49 Assirra wrote:On July 26 2013 03:48 Assirra wrote:On July 26 2013 03:26 Apoteosis wrote:
This is directly Blizzard's fault.
Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure.
We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions.
These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues. Blizzard lets the scene do their own thing: OMG Blizard, you should get involved! Blizzard gets involved: OMG Blizard, before you messed up everything it was fine! Blizzard doesn't do everything: OMG Blizzard it's all your fault for not doing x and y! did you intentionally quote your post immediately after for emphasis? because i find that hilarious. =) Nah, was a double post i just found out  well, that isnt nearly as funny. =) someone apparently wasnt amused at all since they reported you. haha.
Yea just saw the warning, quite funny you can get reported for accidents
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On July 26 2013 03:48 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 03:26 Apoteosis wrote:
This is directly Blizzard's fault.
Why they don't lobby with the US Government like Riot does? LoL players had P1 Visa. SC2 players? Go figure.
We all know that Blizzard is screwing the scene. BW became in the monster it once was because of the korean scene and KeSPA in particular, not because of Blizzard's actions.
These VISA issues are a direct consequence of Blizzard's negligence. Same as the TI3 and WCS scheduling issues. Blizzard lets the scene do their own thing: OMG Blizard, you should get involved! Blizzard gets involved: OMG Blizard, before you messed up everything it was fine! Blizzard doesn't do everything: OMG Blizzard it's all your fault!
I love you.
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League of Legends players are considered athletes in the united states after Riot lobbied hard to get it passed, now LoL players can play with athletes visa in the united states.. What I don't understand is why Blizzard doesn't do the same? It's just sad that Riot care so much for esports than Blizzard.
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On July 26 2013 07:11 SuperFanBoy wrote:
League of Legends players are considered athletes in the united states after Riot lobbied hard to get it passed, now LoL players can play with athletes visa in the united states.. What I don't understand is why Blizzard doesn't do the same? It's just sad that Riot care so much for esports than Blizzard.
Do you guys not read before you post?
On July 25 2013 23:07 Fischbacher wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 22:44 dantawangzi wrote:
I dont get it, all the dota 2 players from China get us visa like no problem, why it is so hard for a sc2 player?? Its a time thing. If you know 4 months in advance that you're going to TI3 its not that hard to get a visa. If you know two weeks in advance that you're going to WCS it suddenly becomes very hard to get a visa. Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 22:51 Jampackedeon wrote:
Didn't I just read that the US now recognizes Esports as a valid reason to give visas (thanks to some lobbying by LoL apparently).
Does that not also apply to SC2 players? It has nothing to do with Jim and Macsed's situation. Riot's lobying is related to P1 visas, which allows the players to reside in the US long term (3-5 years) and to be salaried. More than likely Jim and Macsed tried to get a B1 visa, which is the easiest US visa to get (along with the B2 visa) and would be sufficient to come to the US and compete for a tournament that offers prize money.
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For anyone interested in Jim getting a shot to play at least his Loser's Bracket match against MC:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1j22oj/request_for_iem_let_jim_play_his_match_against_mc/
Reportedly, iG's coach said this: "I just got off the phone with IEM, because it's hard to hear in the phone, IEM has requested us to show up tomorrow morning at 8am to continue discuss this issue." That's 1.5 hours from the time of this post... :S I dunno if IEM is seriously considering any changes, though.
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On July 26 2013 06:23 GodRcane7 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 05:42 KnadRa wrote:On July 26 2013 05:00 rshawer wrote:
Here is the problem, Blizzard doesn't do anything when we need them to. When they do something its only when we don't need them to do it. Your one of those people who immediately comes into a thread, blames Blizzard and leaves. They can't do anything about this, its a Visa issue that is out of their control entirely. No, it is something they can completely control. Riot got their players P-1 'Athlete' Visas for the sake of travelling for tournaments I don't see why Blizzard can't do it.
Riot got their Athlete classifications because their viewership for major tournaments is comparable to some cable television numbers, and their prize pool for the finals is $8million.
Please, get a clue.
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On July 26 2013 06:22 GodRcane7 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 06:06 SupLilSon wrote:
Guys... guys... Blizzard is MASSIVE! Probably worth billions if not trillions, pretty sure Browder is one of the richest men in the world tbh... OFC Blizzard can get him a visa with their immense global influence... I wouldn't see why they couldn't I mean Riot Games got their players 'Athlete' visas for the sake of their travelling and what-not through intensive lobbying for the betterment of e-sports I don't see why Blizzard can't.do something similar.
Riot has a set number of players per season, with a season being a set time out of the year. Players are not added/subtracted nearly as often as blizzard's WCS system does. Riot also region locks their stuff, so you don't have people from China in their NA tournament. It's a totally separate situation. Because Riot also employs their players (they're paid a salary and I believe a housing stipend?) they're employees of Riot. It's an entirely different situation.
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he's my favorite player atm, my soul is crushed
fucking bureoucracy, man....
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EPT
