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haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
July 26 2013 00:46 GMT
#381
Haven't read the thread, but a quick one...

How come Dota chinese players can get visa easily?
Rillanon.au
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
July 26 2013 00:49 GMT
#382
Weird...front page says IEM Shanghai but the finals are held in U.S?
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Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
July 26 2013 00:51 GMT
#383
On July 26 2013 09:46 haduken wrote:
Haven't read the thread, but a quick one...

How come Dota chinese players can get visa easily?


They can't. It is just that they have months in advance to get one which is easier than getting one in less than a month.
nohole
Profile Joined June 2012
United States56 Posts
July 26 2013 00:51 GMT
#384
Does this mean that Snute/Puck will play for Macsed's spot if he can't make it to wcs AM?
havok55
Profile Joined May 2013
United States276 Posts
July 26 2013 00:52 GMT
#385
On July 26 2013 09:49 wptlzkwjd wrote:
Weird...front page says IEM Shanghai but the finals are held in U.S?


WCS AM finals, not IEM finals.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
July 26 2013 00:54 GMT
#386
On July 26 2013 09:07 Iodem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 09:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On July 26 2013 08:54 Iodem wrote:
On July 26 2013 08:49 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I'm sick of people thinking "Riot did it" is a valid argument for anything.


It's on the same level of people asking "Why doesn't soccer use instant replay when determining calls when almost every other modern sport does?" How is it wrong to compare SC2 to other eSports in the same regard?

No, it's on the same level as "ants lift 50 times their weight, why can't people?"

If you think "Riot did it" is remotely relevant when it comes to work visas, you are complete and utterly clueless.


Like I said before, there's no proof that Blizzard isn't already trying to lobby for work visas. What I have mentioned is their stubbornness on LAN.

and how is that comparison even close to mine?

Okay, let's play a fun game!

SC2
DotA2
LoL
HoN
CoD
World of Tanks

Which of these has official LAN support? And which of these spent millions to have a tournament in the Staples Centre and to lobby the government for athlete status?

Comparisons are fun when you make them as bad as possible!
Average means I'm better than half of you.
fenrysk
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States364 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 00:57:15
July 26 2013 00:56 GMT
#387
so in Season 3 or next year, i hope Blizzard will have obatined athlete visas or alternative entertainer/performer-of-special-skillset visas for players in the WCS system in the way that Riot has done so all this poopstorm can be avoided.

I do feel sorry for Jim's situation.
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RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
July 26 2013 00:56 GMT
#388
Here's the deal: to get a US work visa for esports that you (largely) non-americans can't seem to understand page after page in this thread is that you have to be employed in a stable sports league. The reason this worked out for Riot after a lot of time and effort is because their LCS system is a regularly scheduled league that pays its players with clear documentation. WCS does NOT have a stable roster of salaried, consistent players and is essentially no different from regular SC2 tournaments apart from scale and some stability in the form of Challenger-Premier. Players may get a consistent reward from staying in the WCS system in the form of prizepool but they are NOT employed by Blizzard in any form like the LCS players are by Riot.

If you want Blizzard to throw more money at WCS to make it a salaried, regularly scheduled sports league like LCS then that's completely different from thinking that players can't get visas because Blizzard is evil and isn't throwing whatever weight you think it has at the US government. LCS does not make a profit for Riot and is largely for the sake of maintaining their competitive scene and attracting new players. SC2 is not free to play and if you think there is some big untapped market of players who will be attracted to it because of some sponsored competitive league you will be sorely mistaken. Sure Blizzard could run it at a loss for the sake of #ESPORTS but in no way are they obligated to.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 26 2013 01:00 GMT
#389
That is so sad. He just got screwed over in 2 premier tournaments.
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Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
July 26 2013 01:10 GMT
#390
Clearly we must all e-mail Blizzard's sponsors to complain about their shameful WCS behavior: https://twitter.com/Visa
Plat Support Main #believe
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
July 26 2013 01:10 GMT
#391
On July 26 2013 09:52 havok55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 09:49 wptlzkwjd wrote:
Weird...front page says IEM Shanghai but the finals are held in U.S?


WCS AM finals, not IEM finals.


Sorry, I haven't been paying much attention to the pro SC2 scene lately but...what do the WCS AM finals have to do with IEM Shanghai?
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MrMedic
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada452 Posts
July 26 2013 01:13 GMT
#392
Visas have always been a a big problem
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
July 26 2013 01:14 GMT
#393
Damn first there was blizzard's wcs bullshit now they have visa issues. I really feel sorry for these Chinese players.
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 26 2013 01:24 GMT
#394
Response from Jim's coach now added to OP.

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JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 01:28:49
July 26 2013 01:26 GMT
#395
On July 26 2013 10:10 wptlzkwjd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 09:52 havok55 wrote:
On July 26 2013 09:49 wptlzkwjd wrote:
Weird...front page says IEM Shanghai but the finals are held in U.S?


WCS AM finals, not IEM finals.


Sorry, I haven't been paying much attention to the pro SC2 scene lately but...what do the WCS AM finals have to do with IEM Shanghai?


Jim was playing in IEM Shanghai but had to leave for his visa appointment. That took a while so IEM DQ'd him. Not only that, his visa application for WCS AM was denied so he got screwed both ways.
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Ventris
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany1226 Posts
July 26 2013 01:31 GMT
#396
Sad day for Jim

On a sidenote: Really annoying how people seem to be unable to comprehend visa policy in the US even after it has been explained multiple times in this very thread. I always thought the ability to read was one of the basics in education <.<
Fischbacher
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada666 Posts
July 26 2013 01:43 GMT
#397
On July 26 2013 09:46 haduken wrote:
Haven't read the thread, but a quick one...

How come Dota chinese players can get visa easily?

Because they apply much further in advance. The applications for Jim and Macsed had to be last minute since they didn't know they'd be playing until last week, while in reality they would probably need a 3 to 4 months heads-up to be safe.
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 02:04:21
July 26 2013 01:50 GMT
#398
On July 26 2013 10:43 Fischbacher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 09:46 haduken wrote:
Haven't read the thread, but a quick one...

How come Dota chinese players can get visa easily?

Because they apply much further in advance. The applications for Jim and Macsed had to be last minute since they didn't know they'd be playing until last week, while in reality they would probably need a 3 to 4 months heads-up to be safe.


hmmm


seems that maybe

they should have ordered the plane tickets and got the visas several months beforehand, even before they knew if they were in top 16 or not

only risk is canceling the plane ticket and getting refund, if dont make it to top 16?

Depending on airline and destination, cancellation fees can be as high as $250
Reservations must be cancelled prior to the flight departure.



basically, just order the plane tickets and get visa 1 year earlier, then if dont make it to top of 16, pay the cancel fee, and get refund on tickets

also, why does he need Blizzard invitation to get a travelers visa?

if people want to go to US for sightseeing, they dont need someone to make an invitation letter for them, they just simply apply for a non-immigrant traveler visa...



Baroninthetree
Profile Joined August 2012
United States473 Posts
July 26 2013 01:52 GMT
#399
I really don't get the IEM DQ things. They already rescheduled Grubby's game but DQed Jim?
My only explanation is they value Korean and European more than Chinese.

It's like the last WCS DQed incident all over again.
And the event is even held in China. How ironic!
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
July 26 2013 02:00 GMT
#400
On July 25 2013 19:04 Cokefreak wrote:
Visas are killing eSports.

here in 'murica we enjoy destroying e-sports
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