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On July 26 2013 06:22 GodRcane7 wrote:



I wouldn't see why they couldn't

I mean Riot Games got their players 'Athlete' visas for the sake of their travelling and what-not through intensive lobbying for the betterment of e-sports

I don't see why Blizzard can't.do something similar.

On July 26 2013 08:17 Nyvis wrote:


Because blizzard doesn't realize esport is the only reason SC2 is more than just another RTS.
Riot is really aware of the importance of esport for their game. Blizzard still think they are the only thing that matter.
Unless they change their opinion and start moving on that, there will be no change and no help from them.

Look: blizzard makes people pay to broadcast their games. Riot pays them to do so.
Nothing to hope from blizzard.

On July 26 2013 08:17 Nyvis wrote:


Because blizzard doesn't realize esport is the only reason SC2 is more than just another RTS.
Riot is really aware of the importance of esport for their game. Blizzard still think they are the only thing that matter.
Unless they change their opinion and start moving on that, there will be no change and no help from them.

Look: blizzard makes people pay to broadcast their games. Riot pays them to do so.
Nothing to hope from blizzard.

On July 26 2013 08:27 Iodem wrote:
Blizzard just keeps giving me more and more reasons not to watch WCS Korea: Code B.

On July 26 2013 08:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:



............And this is why I've stopped going to the SC2 boards.

On July 26 2013 08:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:



............And this is why I've stopped going to the SC2 boards.

On July 26 2013 08:35 Iodem wrote:


Erm, what? Why?

Blizzard expresses interest but doesn't seem to put forth as much effort as other companies do into expanding their esport. We've gone for three years without LAN(except those who are willing to pay for a security squad to keep it out of the hands of pirates), and we still have lag/dropout issues in tournaments. When LoL started having crashing issues in tournaments Riot immediately came out with a LAN solution.

Also, I misspoke in my initial post. There have been a lot of elements that have made WCS America a tournament that I don't care about. Some are in blizzard's hands, while others(like this one) are not. We don't know what's going on under wraps at blizzard and if they're lobbying with the government right now or not.

On July 25 2013 19:04 Cokefreak wrote:
Visas are killing eSports.

On July 26 2013 08:29 Plansix wrote:

Love it when people comment on thing with the sole purpose of blaming Blizzard. Not matter how little they know, it will always be LoL or Dota vs Blizzard and how it's all blizzards fault.

On July 26 2013 08:35 Iodem wrote:


Erm, what? Why?

Blizzard expresses interest but doesn't seem to put forth as much effort as other companies do into expanding their esport. We've gone for three years without LAN(except those who are willing to pay for a security squad to keep it out of the hands of pirates), and we still have lag/dropout issues in tournaments. When LoL started having crashing issues in tournaments Riot immediately came out with a LAN solution.

Also, I misspoke in my initial post. There have been a lot of elements that have made WCS America a tournament that I don't care about. Some are in blizzard's hands, while others(like this one) are not. We don't know what's going on under wraps at blizzard and if they're lobbying with the government right now or not.

But things like the fact that they let Violet compete in the Ro32 after admitting to having no way to get into America for the Ro16 just baffles me. It screws over the two people who lost to him, while others get a free ride in the Ro16. At that time, not all challenger league qualifiers had been completed, and they could've offered him a region transfer to somewhere he could actually compete.

On July 26 2013 08:48 Nyvis wrote:


And some others come and say "no, it's normal that a bigger, well established company give less support to their game than new companies jumping into it. And it's normal to extort money from the actors of your esport scene, the ones who keep your game alive. It's totally not blizzard fault if they have a shitty business plan esport wise compared to every other company implicated in it. No, definitely, it must be the evil and angry poster imagining things".

It's just facts. Riot, a smaller company with less influence can do it, can throw a lot of money to help esport and help their players get their visas. And it works for them. But blizzard is known to be very stubborn and won't change it's ways, even if the concurrent companies are doing better going another way. They'll keep trying to get a short term return from esport instead of trying to build on it long term to attract people, and for sure won't throw more efforts to help it.

On July 26 2013 08:48 Nyvis wrote:


And some others come and say "no, it's normal that a bigger, well established company give less support to their game than new companies jumping into it. And it's normal to extort money from the actors of your esport scene, the ones who keep your game alive. It's totally not blizzard fault if they have a shitty business plan esport wise compared to every other company implicated in it. No, definitely, it must be the evil and angry poster imagining things".

It's just facts. Riot, a smaller company with less influence can do it, can throw a lot of money to help esport and help their players get their visas. And it works for them. But blizzard is known to be very stubborn and won't change it's ways, even if the concurrent companies are doing better going another way. They'll keep trying to get a short term return from esport instead of trying to build on it long term to attract people, and for sure won't throw more efforts to help it.

On July 26 2013 08:48 Nyvis wrote:


And some others come and say "no, it's normal that a bigger, well established company give less support to their game than new companies jumping into it. And it's normal to extort money from the actors of your esport scene, the ones who keep your game alive. It's totally not blizzard fault if they have a shitty business plan esport wise compared to every other company implicated in it. No, definitely, it must be the evil and angry poster imagining things".

It's just facts. Riot, a smaller company with less influence can do it, can throw a lot of money to help esport and help their players get their visas. And it works for them. But blizzard is known to be very stubborn and won't change it's ways, even if the concurrent companies are doing better going another way. They'll keep trying to get a short term return from esport instead of trying to build on it long term to attract people, and for sure won't throw more efforts to help it.

On July 26 2013 08:49 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I'm sick of people thinking "Riot did it" is a valid argument for anything.

On July 26 2013 08:54 Iodem wrote:


It's on the same level of people asking "Why doesn't soccer use instant replay when determining calls when almost every other modern sport does?" How is it wrong to compare SC2 to other eSports in the same regard?

On July 26 2013 09:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:

No, it's on the same level as "ants lift 50 times their weight, why can't people?"

If you think "Riot did it" is remotely relevant when it comes to work visas, you are complete and utterly clueless.

On July 26 2013 09:07 Iodem wrote:


Like I said before, there's no proof that Blizzard isn't already trying to lobby for work visas. What I have mentioned is their stubbornness on LAN.

and how is that comparison even close to mine?