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People_0f_Color
Profile Joined August 2010
177 Posts
May 09 2013 20:04 GMT
#61
I was excited for hte burrow change to make early roach aggression -> roach hydra viper SH styles in zvt to be buffed. But this is fine i guess.
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
May 09 2013 20:04 GMT
#62
On May 10 2013 04:52 RyLai wrote:
Don't like the Spore Crawler change though. Was there an option in BW ZvZ to do anything else other than Muta/Ling except in the super late game? I like the speed, aggression, and multitasking that comes with Mutas in ZvZ. However, seeing the slightly more skill-oriented Infestors be used against them could be cool to watch. I said COULD, not would. I like nonstop action when I watch a game.

Not really. The vast majority of Brood War ZvZ matches were decided by Mutalisk/Scourge micro wars, with some Devourers thrown in on occasion to tank damage. Not exactly a diverse matchup.
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RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
May 09 2013 20:04 GMT
#63
TvZ is still terran favored, i don't care what anyone says. Other match-ups are better--can go either way--and really map dependent, but non-retarded Terrans will still make zerg look silly. stats fail to illustrate the full picture, i'm afraid.

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Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
May 09 2013 20:05 GMT
#64
On May 10 2013 05:04 RogerChillingworth wrote:
TvZ is still terran favored, i don't care what anyone says. Other match-ups are better--can go either way--and really map dependent, but non-retarded Terrans will still make zerg look silly. stats fail to illustrate the full picture, i'm afraid.


Good thing Code S is filled with retarded Terrans, then, otherwise zerg would be having issues.
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sibs
Profile Joined July 2012
635 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-09 20:08:39
May 09 2013 20:07 GMT
#65
On May 10 2013 05:04 RogerChillingworth wrote:
TvZ is still terran favored, i don't care what anyone says. Other match-ups are better--can go either way--and really map dependent, but non-retarded Terrans will still make zerg look silly. stats fail to illustrate the full picture, i'm afraid.


Hmm, TvZ was 55% WR for T in march, 56% in April.It's not terrible but yea, TvZ does favor T atm.

PvT seems to be favoring protoss pretty hard for the past 2 weeks or so as well, but thats early to suggest any problems.

Edit: You can clearly see the terrans are very happy about no changes, they're kinda expecting a nerf hehe.
Spec
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Taiwan931 Posts
May 09 2013 20:08 GMT
#66
Spores gonna be so strong vs overlords.
Eye for an eye make the world go blind - Gandhi
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
May 09 2013 20:08 GMT
#67
On May 10 2013 05:04 RogerChillingworth wrote:
TvZ is still terran favored, i don't care what anyone says. Other match-ups are better--can go either way--and really map dependent, but non-retarded Terrans will still make zerg look silly. stats fail to illustrate the full picture, i'm afraid.


agreed, blizzard never cites their stats anyways lol, tvz is at a steady 55% so far in terrans favor which is clearly too much, the burrow change wouldve been at aleast a tiny change that would help in zvt the most so i have no idea why they would revert it
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
May 09 2013 20:10 GMT
#68
it's shaping up to be a dam good expansion
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trucido
Profile Joined January 2013
United Kingdom7 Posts
May 09 2013 20:12 GMT
#69
I really hope they change muta's in zvz, i CANT stand playing zvz because of it
ObeseHydra
Profile Joined March 2013
Brazil196 Posts
May 09 2013 20:13 GMT
#70
Wise decision from Blizzard.
dirtydurb82
Profile Joined December 2012
United States178 Posts
May 09 2013 20:13 GMT
#71
Wow, completely balanced game at all levels? Sounds fun. What game is he talking about again?
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-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-09 20:15:47
May 09 2013 20:15 GMT
#72
While I agree that the balance updates they were suggesting were kind of silly what I don't understand is where they get this information that the game is balanced at all levels. Ladder as the only basis for this is sort of silly, and someone being better than someone else does not mean it's balanced it just means they're better. There have been numerous games in WCS alone that show how strong some things can be when used by the correct people. It's like the only time they're ever going to change something is if it's so incredibly strong, garners so much attention, and is so effective that they have no other choice than to change it. To say the least, people I've talked to over the past 2 days are not happy with the current balance and neither am I. I think in the grand scheme of things we don't really matter, but objectively, I still think there are tons of "really strong" things in the game. They've even been around since beta sooo.. :/
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syriuszonito
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland332 Posts
May 09 2013 20:15 GMT
#73
As always blizzard is blind about balance, prolly gonna take few months for them to see that actually TvZ is far from being balanced eh.
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Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
May 09 2013 20:17 GMT
#74
On May 10 2013 05:08 Tsubbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 05:04 RogerChillingworth wrote:
TvZ is still terran favored, i don't care what anyone says. Other match-ups are better--can go either way--and really map dependent, but non-retarded Terrans will still make zerg look silly. stats fail to illustrate the full picture, i'm afraid.


agreed, blizzard never cites their stats anyways lol, tvz is at a steady 55% so far in terrans favor which is clearly too much, the burrow change wouldve been at aleast a tiny change that would help in zvt the most so i have no idea why they would revert it

Why is 55% too great a discrepancy? It's obviously not ideal, but it doesn't seem unreasonable either. And is it possible that the win rates are skewed not because of balance issues, but rather due to map variance and players having yet to "figure out" the game? I think the dev team is making the right choice by reserving judgment for the time being. If the ZvT win rate trend continues for another month or two, then perhaps balance is the culprit. Until then, though, I think it's fine to wait things out.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
DemigodcelpH
Profile Joined August 2011
1138 Posts
May 09 2013 20:20 GMT
#75
On May 10 2013 04:40 ChristianS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 04:15 captainwaffles wrote:
And David Kim said to the masses, "the game is solid!" Terrans rejoice at the lack of nerfs, and somewhere in the world Idra's disdain of Mr.Kim grows tenfold.

Really like the no changes approach.

Actually, has IdrA complained about HotS balance just yet? I haven't kept too much track, but I have watched his stream a little. I saw complaints about other players, cheesy strats, etc. but no balance complaints. Odd when Stephano is the EG player complaining about imbalance


Oddly enough the only thing he has publicly complained about is the Viper being too strong vs mech.
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
May 09 2013 20:21 GMT
#76
people seriously still whining about medivacs?
PhOeniX[MinD]
Profile Joined August 2008
361 Posts
May 09 2013 20:22 GMT
#77
That 55% is overall? or just pro scene stats
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nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
May 09 2013 20:22 GMT
#78
thumbs up David Kim!
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Elairec
Profile Joined June 2011
United States410 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-09 20:26:36
May 09 2013 20:24 GMT
#79
On May 10 2013 05:17 Archas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 05:08 Tsubbi wrote:
On May 10 2013 05:04 RogerChillingworth wrote:
TvZ is still terran favored, i don't care what anyone says. Other match-ups are better--can go either way--and really map dependent, but non-retarded Terrans will still make zerg look silly. stats fail to illustrate the full picture, i'm afraid.


agreed, blizzard never cites their stats anyways lol, tvz is at a steady 55% so far in terrans favor which is clearly too much, the burrow change wouldve been at aleast a tiny change that would help in zvt the most so i have no idea why they would revert it

Why is 55% too great a discrepancy? It's obviously not ideal, but it doesn't seem unreasonable either. And is it possible that the win rates are skewed not because of balance issues, but rather due to map variance and players having yet to "figure out" the game? I think the dev team is making the right choice by reserving judgment for the time being. If the ZvT win rate trend continues for another month or two, then perhaps balance is the culprit. Until then, though, I think it's fine to wait things out.



It may be a small sample size, but given the WCS statistics, it seems like Z actually has the lead in said matchup. As for the topic, I like the "take it slow" pace for balancing HoTS. Before anyone says anything about Koreans owning up foreigners, the stats for just korea are 29 games won out of 59 played which is almost 50%, not bad.
keglu
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland485 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-09 20:27:02
May 09 2013 20:24 GMT
#80
On May 10 2013 05:08 Tsubbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 05:04 RogerChillingworth wrote:
TvZ is still terran favored, i don't care what anyone says. Other match-ups are better--can go either way--and really map dependent, but non-retarded Terrans will still make zerg look silly. stats fail to illustrate the full picture, i'm afraid.


agreed, blizzard never cites their stats anyways lol, tvz is at a steady 55% so far in terrans favor which is clearly too much, the burrow change wouldve been at aleast a tiny change that would help in zvt the most so i have no idea why they would revert it


Im pretty sure its much closer to 50% this month based on last results
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