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drugsarebad
Profile Joined January 2013
20 Posts
May 09 2013 19:32 GMT
#21
They still really should do something with the orcale its a cheese only unit right now which is kinda sad considering the potential revelation has.
lawlohwhat
Profile Joined August 2010
United States32 Posts
May 09 2013 19:32 GMT
#22
impressive, blizzard
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
May 09 2013 19:32 GMT
#23
No bunker change? This is clearly a fake balance patch note!
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Bahajinbo
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany488 Posts
May 09 2013 19:32 GMT
#24
Damn nice. The burrow & oracle buffs weren't necessary, to be honest. I'm not sure if the spore buff is enough to stop the ZvZ muta madness, but its a good sign.
In contrast to WoL, HotS is pretty damn balanced right now.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
May 09 2013 19:32 GMT
#25
Awesome to hear this by Blizzard, sounds good! :D
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Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
May 09 2013 19:32 GMT
#26
Good to hear.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
DnCL
Profile Joined May 2013
86 Posts
May 09 2013 19:33 GMT
#27
They sound on point. Seems like they are listening, and I love that in a game developper.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-09 19:36:29
May 09 2013 19:35 GMT
#28
Good, I think burrow is already strong enough, ind people should be using it more without a buff(Edit: And I do _NOT_ think the developers should be trying to force meta game changes such as the reason for the burrow buff was). I think oracle need just a change, not a buff. They do to much dmg and are to fragile.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3463 Posts
May 09 2013 19:35 GMT
#29
It's good they're not going through with the changes.
There's a lot of good units, which are just better than others, which could cause staleness later on, so we shouldn't introduce more of these, rather just tone down some of them.
What the Oracle really need, is a third spell which makes it good lategame and then just give Revelation detection, instead of something like a movespeed increase.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
May 09 2013 19:38 GMT
#30
What the Oracle really need, is a third spell which makes it good lategame and then just give Revelation detection, instead of something like a movespeed increase.

Oracle itself can detect, and revelation can just spot units for tempests or just for you to see where enemy is walking around. For example where are his siege mushrooms
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
May 09 2013 19:40 GMT
#31
This makes some really good sense. Even now, there seems to be no real consistent meta. Players are constantly innovating and finding new compositions or tweaking old ones. While widow mines, for instance, may seem a bit crazy right now, there is a distinct possibility that someone later will find out a solution, which will mean that terrans can fight with swords and not get nerfed down to boring plastic bats.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3262 Posts
May 09 2013 19:40 GMT
#32
On May 10 2013 04:15 captainwaffles wrote:
And David Kim said to the masses, "the game is solid!" Terrans rejoice at the lack of nerfs, and somewhere in the world Idra's disdain of Mr.Kim grows tenfold.

Really like the no changes approach.

Actually, has IdrA complained about HotS balance just yet? I haven't kept too much track, but I have watched his stream a little. I saw complaints about other players, cheesy strats, etc. but no balance complaints. Odd when Stephano is the EG player complaining about imbalance
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Wafflelisk
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada1061 Posts
May 09 2013 19:40 GMT
#33
Awesome! I'm really loving HotS and except the the stupidity of Muta vs Muta which I don't really think will go away with this patch, the game's in a pretty good place. There are probably issues with the game but considering what we had at the end of WoL I really do like the "small, gradual steps" approach (:
Waffles > Pancakes
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
May 09 2013 19:41 GMT
#34
Muta wars were getting really boring
"KDA is actually the most useless stat in the game" Aui_2000
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
May 09 2013 19:41 GMT
#35

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

They did it right!!!!

+1 to Blizz so bad!

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tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
May 09 2013 19:41 GMT
#36
On May 10 2013 04:32 Existor wrote:
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Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
May 09 2013 19:42 GMT
#37
the burrow change would have been the very first change to zerg in hots before the 10 minute mark, surely it wouldve been too risky
imEnex
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada500 Posts
May 09 2013 19:44 GMT
#38
I like this, gj Blizzard
Program yourself to Success
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 09 2013 19:47 GMT
#39
Spore crawler change is nice, since it'll only affect 1 matchup, and ZvZ is already getting stale with the muta vs muta.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Rudermensch
Profile Joined April 2011
United States50 Posts
May 09 2013 19:47 GMT
#40
I think this is pretty smart, I do think something could be done to encourage more Oracle use. Though it does really seem like pro level players haven't quite figured out how to use it yet and it's probably wise to keep any buffs at bay until they have more information.
It's like looking into the eye of a duck and sucking all the fluid from its beak.
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